Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think Blake’s biggest issue was TikTok. She doesn’t understand it and either her Pr team doesn’t either or she chose not to listen to them. I think it’s the latter and likely RR thinks he knows best. The days of inauthentic celebs and worshipping them is over and those two don’t seem to get it.

Isn't that Baldoni's whole schtick?

What is his schtick? I know little about JB. But if he is against celeb worshipping, then no wonder she hated him

He is everything you claim to detest.

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It's also very weird to read these long posts declaring a hatred of celebrity worship and parasocial relationships in this specific thread.

I have a suspicion that at least some of the Baldoni stans arrived at this case after Depp/Heard ended. I know, I know, I will be told that ACTUALLY the Baldoni supporters were on Amber Heard's side the whole time! Whatever. I feel pretty confident that there's some overlap in the people who rabidly posted about how much they hated Amber Heard (called her a liar, claimed Depp was the true victim, etc.) all throughout that trial, and the people who have been caping for Baldoni (and hating Lively, calling her a liar, claiming Baldoni was a the true victim, etc.) this time around.

So who's next? What woman will the fixate on as the root of all evil, and what problematic man will they decide is actually a hero?

Funny, was just thinking about this last night. All the useful idiots doing the patriarchy's work for them. Do you think they're mostly motivated by jealousy and parasocial attachments to men? It's disturbing.

Anyway, not a big Blake fan but definitely preferred her to the gross men involved in this case, and like that she showed up at the Met gala alone looking confident.

Please, Blake’s fabrications have done nothing but harm women that are actually the victims of workplace harassment. She’ll never stop fighting in for them unless her claims get dismissed or there is a Met Gala to attend.

Blake's claims were reasonable and made in good faith. On that point everyone agrees.

This thread proves the contrary.

Hardly. And the joint public statement could not have been further from a pro-Baldoni position.

It was very definitely not an admission or an apology. And they paid her no money which is what they really cared about.

In any case, public perception and a carefully drafted joint statement specifically for the purpose of ending frivolous litigation aren’t the same thing.

They did not apologize, no, but they did stipulate to the reasonable belief of SH. They didn't do that to be nice. It was strategic, because allowing evidence of Baldoni (and to a lesser extent Heath's) misconduct that led to that reasonable belief harmed their case. Wayfarer settled because they didn't want to go to trial (despite claiming all along they wanted to go to trial to clear their names). Because there is evidence of retaliation. The defendants in this case (currently just Wayfarer, but wasn't just Wayfarer when settlement discussion started) had to make the sole remaining plaintiff an offer to settle the case. We'll just never know what amounts were offered and accepted.

They stipulated “only for the purposes of trial,” because the judge asked them to.

TMZ reported yesterday no money changed hands as part of the settlement. The parties clearly agreed that info could be released. That tells you who really won.

It's a big deal to concede one of the elements of the case. If Lively's belief she was SHed wasn't reasonable and was manufactured to steal the movie, which had been their position all along, then that destroys their case.

TMZ said "it appears" no money was exchanged, which is an opinion, based on the statement not mentioning money. It's not an independent confirmation. It's based on nothing more than what we all can intuit from the statement.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think Blake’s biggest issue was TikTok. She doesn’t understand it and either her Pr team doesn’t either or she chose not to listen to them. I think it’s the latter and likely RR thinks he knows best. The days of inauthentic celebs and worshipping them is over and those two don’t seem to get it.

Isn't that Baldoni's whole schtick?

What is his schtick? I know little about JB. But if he is against celeb worshipping, then no wonder she hated him

He is everything you claim to detest.

+100

It's also very weird to read these long posts declaring a hatred of celebrity worship and parasocial relationships in this specific thread.

I have a suspicion that at least some of the Baldoni stans arrived at this case after Depp/Heard ended. I know, I know, I will be told that ACTUALLY the Baldoni supporters were on Amber Heard's side the whole time! Whatever. I feel pretty confident that there's some overlap in the people who rabidly posted about how much they hated Amber Heard (called her a liar, claimed Depp was the true victim, etc.) all throughout that trial, and the people who have been caping for Baldoni (and hating Lively, calling her a liar, claiming Baldoni was a the true victim, etc.) this time around.

So who's next? What woman will the fixate on as the root of all evil, and what problematic man will they decide is actually a hero?

Funny, was just thinking about this last night. All the useful idiots doing the patriarchy's work for them. Do you think they're mostly motivated by jealousy and parasocial attachments to men? It's disturbing.

Anyway, not a big Blake fan but definitely preferred her to the gross men involved in this case, and like that she showed up at the Met gala alone looking confident.

Please, Blake’s fabrications have done nothing but harm women that are actually the victims of workplace harassment. She’ll never stop fighting in for them unless her claims get dismissed or there is a Met Gala to attend.

Blake's claims were reasonable and made in good faith. On that point everyone agrees.

This thread proves the contrary.

Hardly. And the joint public statement could not have been further from a pro-Baldoni position.

It was very definitely not an admission or an apology. And they paid her no money which is what they really cared about.

In any case, public perception and a carefully drafted joint statement specifically for the purpose of ending frivolous litigation aren’t the same thing.

They did not apologize, no, but they did stipulate to the reasonable belief of SH. They didn't do that to be nice. It was strategic, because allowing evidence of Baldoni (and to a lesser extent Heath's) misconduct that led to that reasonable belief harmed their case. Wayfarer settled because they didn't want to go to trial (despite claiming all along they wanted to go to trial to clear their names). Because there is evidence of retaliation. The defendants in this case (currently just Wayfarer, but wasn't just Wayfarer when settlement discussion started) had to make the sole remaining plaintiff an offer to settle the case. We'll just never know what amounts were offered and accepted.

They stipulated “only for the purposes of trial,” because the judge asked them to.

TMZ reported yesterday no money changed hands as part of the settlement. The parties clearly agreed that info could be released. That tells you who really won.

It's a big deal to concede one of the elements of the case. If Lively's belief she was SHed wasn't reasonable and was manufactured to steal the movie, which had been their position all along, then that destroys their case.

TMZ said "it appears" no money was exchanged, which is an opinion, based on the statement not mentioning money. It's not an independent confirmation. It's based on nothing more than what we all can intuit from the statement.

It wasn’t a concession because it was solely for narrowing the issues before the jury. Liman made that very clear. And Blake’s team expressed extreme displeasure with it, which would not have been the case if it were a confession or admission.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think Blake’s biggest issue was TikTok. She doesn’t understand it and either her Pr team doesn’t either or she chose not to listen to them. I think it’s the latter and likely RR thinks he knows best. The days of inauthentic celebs and worshipping them is over and those two don’t seem to get it.

Isn't that Baldoni's whole schtick?

What is his schtick? I know little about JB. But if he is against celeb worshipping, then no wonder she hated him

He is everything you claim to detest.

+100

It's also very weird to read these long posts declaring a hatred of celebrity worship and parasocial relationships in this specific thread.

I have a suspicion that at least some of the Baldoni stans arrived at this case after Depp/Heard ended. I know, I know, I will be told that ACTUALLY the Baldoni supporters were on Amber Heard's side the whole time! Whatever. I feel pretty confident that there's some overlap in the people who rabidly posted about how much they hated Amber Heard (called her a liar, claimed Depp was the true victim, etc.) all throughout that trial, and the people who have been caping for Baldoni (and hating Lively, calling her a liar, claiming Baldoni was a the true victim, etc.) this time around.

So who's next? What woman will the fixate on as the root of all evil, and what problematic man will they decide is actually a hero?

Funny, was just thinking about this last night. All the useful idiots doing the patriarchy's work for them. Do you think they're mostly motivated by jealousy and parasocial attachments to men? It's disturbing.

Anyway, not a big Blake fan but definitely preferred her to the gross men involved in this case, and like that she showed up at the Met gala alone looking confident.

Please, Blake’s fabrications have done nothing but harm women that are actually the victims of workplace harassment. She’ll never stop fighting in for them unless her claims get dismissed or there is a Met Gala to attend.

Blake's claims were reasonable and made in good faith. On that point everyone agrees.

This thread proves the contrary.

Hardly. And the joint public statement could not have been further from a pro-Baldoni position.

It was very definitely not an admission or an apology. And they paid her no money which is what they really cared about.

In any case, public perception and a carefully drafted joint statement specifically for the purpose of ending frivolous litigation aren’t the same thing.

They did not apologize, no, but they did stipulate to the reasonable belief of SH. They didn't do that to be nice. It was strategic, because allowing evidence of Baldoni (and to a lesser extent Heath's) misconduct that led to that reasonable belief harmed their case. Wayfarer settled because they didn't want to go to trial (despite claiming all along they wanted to go to trial to clear their names). Because there is evidence of retaliation. The defendants in this case (currently just Wayfarer, but wasn't just Wayfarer when settlement discussion started) had to make the sole remaining plaintiff an offer to settle the case. We'll just never know what amounts were offered and accepted.

I don't think money changed hands, but agree with your assessment otherwise. Both parties had good reason to settle but Wayfarer wanted it the most, which is why the public statement favors Blake.

The public statement doesn’t favor anyone but the fact she got no money tells us that WF won.

Again with the reading comprehension challenges.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think Blake’s biggest issue was TikTok. She doesn’t understand it and either her Pr team doesn’t either or she chose not to listen to them. I think it’s the latter and likely RR thinks he knows best. The days of inauthentic celebs and worshipping them is over and those two don’t seem to get it.

Isn't that Baldoni's whole schtick?

What is his schtick? I know little about JB. But if he is against celeb worshipping, then no wonder she hated him

He is everything you claim to detest.

+100

It's also very weird to read these long posts declaring a hatred of celebrity worship and parasocial relationships in this specific thread.

I have a suspicion that at least some of the Baldoni stans arrived at this case after Depp/Heard ended. I know, I know, I will be told that ACTUALLY the Baldoni supporters were on Amber Heard's side the whole time! Whatever. I feel pretty confident that there's some overlap in the people who rabidly posted about how much they hated Amber Heard (called her a liar, claimed Depp was the true victim, etc.) all throughout that trial, and the people who have been caping for Baldoni (and hating Lively, calling her a liar, claiming Baldoni was a the true victim, etc.) this time around.

So who's next? What woman will the fixate on as the root of all evil, and what problematic man will they decide is actually a hero?

Funny, was just thinking about this last night. All the useful idiots doing the patriarchy's work for them. Do you think they're mostly motivated by jealousy and parasocial attachments to men? It's disturbing.

Anyway, not a big Blake fan but definitely preferred her to the gross men involved in this case, and like that she showed up at the Met gala alone looking confident.

Please, Blake’s fabrications have done nothing but harm women that are actually the victims of workplace harassment. She’ll never stop fighting in for them unless her claims get dismissed or there is a Met Gala to attend.

I think the opposite. She has brought workplace harassment to the forefront again. How many times have we heard that this industry is different? It's not really though. It's just that everyone has accepted it for too long. Male abusers might thing twice going forward which makes her efforts a win at great personal cost.

I have noticed that this lawsuit seems to have stirred up a lot more discussion around intimacy coordinators and how intimacy is handled on set, and I think that's a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think Blake’s biggest issue was TikTok. She doesn’t understand it and either her Pr team doesn’t either or she chose not to listen to them. I think it’s the latter and likely RR thinks he knows best. The days of inauthentic celebs and worshipping them is over and those two don’t seem to get it.

Isn't that Baldoni's whole schtick?

What is his schtick? I know little about JB. But if he is against celeb worshipping, then no wonder she hated him

He is everything you claim to detest.

+100

It's also very weird to read these long posts declaring a hatred of celebrity worship and parasocial relationships in this specific thread.

I have a suspicion that at least some of the Baldoni stans arrived at this case after Depp/Heard ended. I know, I know, I will be told that ACTUALLY the Baldoni supporters were on Amber Heard's side the whole time! Whatever. I feel pretty confident that there's some overlap in the people who rabidly posted about how much they hated Amber Heard (called her a liar, claimed Depp was the true victim, etc.) all throughout that trial, and the people who have been caping for Baldoni (and hating Lively, calling her a liar, claiming Baldoni was a the true victim, etc.) this time around.

So who's next? What woman will the fixate on as the root of all evil, and what problematic man will they decide is actually a hero?

Funny, was just thinking about this last night. All the useful idiots doing the patriarchy's work for them. Do you think they're mostly motivated by jealousy and parasocial attachments to men? It's disturbing.

Anyway, not a big Blake fan but definitely preferred her to the gross men involved in this case, and like that she showed up at the Met gala alone looking confident.

Please, Blake’s fabrications have done nothing but harm women that are actually the victims of workplace harassment. She’ll never stop fighting in for them unless her claims get dismissed or there is a Met Gala to attend.

I think the opposite. She has brought workplace harassment to the forefront again. How many times have we heard that this industry is different? It's not really though. It's just that everyone has accepted it for too long. Male abusers might thing twice going forward which makes her efforts a win at great personal cost.

I have noticed that this lawsuit seems to have stirred up a lot more discussion around intimacy coordinators and how intimacy is handled on set, and I think that's a good thing.

Certainly that if one has concerns, they should meet with the intimacy coordinator instead of avoiding them.

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I’m interested what was in the documents unsealed last night.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think Blake’s biggest issue was TikTok. She doesn’t understand it and either her Pr team doesn’t either or she chose not to listen to them. I think it’s the latter and likely RR thinks he knows best. The days of inauthentic celebs and worshipping them is over and those two don’t seem to get it.

Isn't that Baldoni's whole schtick?

What is his schtick? I know little about JB. But if he is against celeb worshipping, then no wonder she hated him

He is everything you claim to detest.

+100

It's also very weird to read these long posts declaring a hatred of celebrity worship and parasocial relationships in this specific thread.

I have a suspicion that at least some of the Baldoni stans arrived at this case after Depp/Heard ended. I know, I know, I will be told that ACTUALLY the Baldoni supporters were on Amber Heard's side the whole time! Whatever. I feel pretty confident that there's some overlap in the people who rabidly posted about how much they hated Amber Heard (called her a liar, claimed Depp was the true victim, etc.) all throughout that trial, and the people who have been caping for Baldoni (and hating Lively, calling her a liar, claiming Baldoni was a the true victim, etc.) this time around.

So who's next? What woman will the fixate on as the root of all evil, and what problematic man will they decide is actually a hero?

Funny, was just thinking about this last night. All the useful idiots doing the patriarchy's work for them. Do you think they're mostly motivated by jealousy and parasocial attachments to men? It's disturbing.

Anyway, not a big Blake fan but definitely preferred her to the gross men involved in this case, and like that she showed up at the Met gala alone looking confident.

DP but I think they all must be very young. I would be so disappointed to find out my daughter spent her time online spewing that kind of nonsense.

My daughter would never, thank god. She loves her girls, will always support them and, at the very very least, give women the benefit of the doubt.

My DD is only 12 and not on social media but this isn't good for women whether you believe Blake or not. The vitriol and anger is not proportional to her so called offenses.

She went to the NY Times with a fabricated story, destroyed evidence, abused the Court system by filing a sham Doe complaint and committed perjury all because she was mad that people don’t like her. There really can’t be too much outrage.

This. Women can be bad actors too. Your daughter should know that

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I don’t like BL or RR, and I also don’t know nor care about the counter parties. But I am a litigator, and while we won’t know the exact details, I don’t see how anyone can believe this was a win for BL, in court or outside of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t like BL or RR, and I also don’t know nor care about the counter parties. But I am a litigator, and while we won’t know the exact details, I don’t see how anyone can believe this was a win for BL, in court or outside of it.

Also a litigator and agree.

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If no money changed hands (and that includes attorneys fees and donations to causes), then I agree that this is essentially a win for Baldoni. The statement leans slightly in Blake's favor, but not $50 m in attorneys' fees worth. She probably could have gotten something similar out of him on Day 1.

If money changed hands, then I would feel differently.

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Anonymous wrote:If no money changed hands (and that includes attorneys fees and donations to causes), then I agree that this is essentially a win for Baldoni. The statement leans slightly in Blake's favor, but not $50 m in attorneys' fees worth. She probably could have gotten something similar out of him on Day 1.

If money changed hands, then I would feel differently.

With no public statement about his innocence, and in fact implying the contrary, this in no way constitutes a win for Baldoni. Since he was not on the hook for any money, all that was left was his reputation, which remains sullied (with good reason imo). The man doesn't even have representation now. Settling the case with a nice pro-Blake statement about the challenges she faced does not help him one bit.

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Anonymous wrote:If no money changed hands (and that includes attorneys fees and donations to causes), then I agree that this is essentially a win for Baldoni. The statement leans slightly in Blake's favor, but not $50 m in attorneys' fees worth. She probably could have gotten something similar out of him on Day 1.

If money changed hands, then I would feel differently.

With no public statement about his innocence, and in fact implying the contrary, this in no way constitutes a win for Baldoni. Since he was not on the hook for any money, all that was left was his reputation, which remains sullied (with good reason imo). The man doesn't even have representation now. Settling the case with a nice pro-Blake statement about the challenges she faced does not help him one bit.

You keep telling us her best evidence was on retaliation and she could have won tens of millions of dollars. And yet she gave it all up for a statement that doesn’t include an apology or an admission of guilt. It doesn’t even mention sexual harassment or retaliation. He won.

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Anonymous wrote:If no money changed hands (and that includes attorneys fees and donations to causes), then I agree that this is essentially a win for Baldoni. The statement leans slightly in Blake's favor, but not $50 m in attorneys' fees worth. She probably could have gotten something similar out of him on Day 1.

If money changed hands, then I would feel differently.

With no public statement about his innocence, and in fact implying the contrary, this in no way constitutes a win for Baldoni. Since he was not on the hook for any money, all that was left was his reputation, which remains sullied (with good reason imo). The man doesn't even have representation now. Settling the case with a nice pro-Blake statement about the challenges she faced does not help him one bit.

You keep telling us her best evidence was on retaliation and she could have won tens of millions of dollars. And yet she gave it all up for a statement that doesn’t include an apology or an admission of guilt. It doesn’t even mention sexual harassment or retaliation. He won.

This.she was the plaintiff, not him. She had the burden of proof.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t like BL or RR, and I also don’t know nor care about the counter parties. But I am a litigator, and while we won’t know the exact details, I don’t see how anyone can believe this was a win for BL, in court or outside of it.

Also a litigator and agree.

Another agree. Attorney though not a litigator who was PR adjacent in a past life.

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Anonymous wrote:If no money changed hands (and that includes attorneys fees and donations to causes), then I agree that this is essentially a win for Baldoni. The statement leans slightly in Blake's favor, but not $50 m in attorneys' fees worth. She probably could have gotten something similar out of him on Day 1.

If money changed hands, then I would feel differently.

We'll never know. This settlement will have an airtight NDA specifically because knowing exactly how much or if money changed hands would heavily influence how people view it.

I do tend to think Blake got something (attorneys fees + some amount, no idea how much) because of a few hints. Blake and Ryan have not made any major public divestitures recently (sell off of real estate or shares in one of their companies). Ryan has also been kind of hemorrhaging money on Wrexham. And while they are wealthy people, they also have an expensive lifestyle and four kids. Plus they just bought a new house in the UK. I think if they were truly out the attorneys fees on this case (two large law firms, multiple engagements, some of which are still going on), they would have had to sell something. Or they would have to do something kind of tacky for money, like an unpleasant endorsement or a movie or TV show most would consider below their fame level. Maybe that will change in coming months, which would change my opinion, but right now, they are not behaving like litigants who just flushed millions of dollars down the toilet on a lawsuit that settled for zero dollars. In my experiences, there are usually ripple effects of a case like this if someone truly walks away with nothing.

There is also a wild card in all this that no one is talking about, which is Wayfarer's insurance. I know there has been some fighting between Wayfarer and their insurers over whether they would cover their legal fees due to whether Wayfarer had properly notified them of the workplace complaints on the movie. I don't know where that litigation is, but it would not surprise me if this settlement was driven at least in part by a deal with the insurers. Like maybe the insurers say fine, we'll cover existing attorneys fees under your policy to end our ongoing litigation (which is also costing the insurers money), but only if you settle before trial. The insurance company will not look at any of this in terms of blame or likability or even what is fair. They will run the numbers and probabilities and if they deem a trial too potentially expensive, they can exert a lot of pressure on a company to settle out of court. This is one of the reasons that so many lawsuits settle -- many settlements are essentially deals between insurance companies.

The public statement was air tight. TMZ can claim they know but they don't. If I don't see Blake and Ryan doing anything to indicate they are hard up for cash in the next year or so, my guess is Blake got some kind of cash settlement to, at minimum, cover her attorneys fees. Minimum.