Fire in upper NW?

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Anonymous wrote:What happens now with the two daughters? Where will they live, who will take care of them, how will their school be paid? I believe there are relatives in Florida, perhaps they'd move down there? Just so heartbreaking for them. I pray they'll be able to move onward and get the help they need, emotionally, spiritually, monetarily. I couldn't imagine being in their shoes. Those poor girls.

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Their lives are destroyed. They will never ever recover from this. Even if they are shielded somehow from the worst details of what happened to their family they will find out one day. I wish with all my heart those scumbags had been aborted, hit by a car, whatever.

You are wrong. Read the recent interview with Irma Goff.

Irma Goff is an amazingly strong and resilient woman-I have thought that it would be great if she could talk to the Savo girls and offer some type of support to them. She is truly an inspiration of how to get through unimaginable tragedy.

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Anonymous wrote:Fox5DC on internet dropped hints about the Assistant.I wonder if he was a mastermind of some sort.

Please clarify your post or provide the link

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/29135187/daron-wint-court

The assistant told two very different versions of how he picked up and then dropped off the money. He only changed his story when confronted by police with text messages that contradicted his first version.

What was the assistant's motive for not telling the truth to the police the first time??

No one will believe me but... The husband once told me he was spending a year in the carribean to avoid certain tax issues. My guess is either a) the assistant was accustomed to some cash dealings and spoke before he knew of the murder, b) the assistant assumed hed be fired if he told the truth

+100 That first part was common knowledge.

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Anonymous wrote:Just checking in and catching up. So SS assistant was a female?

One article I read consistently uses "he."

I assumed it was a "he" until I read this article stating "she"?

According to Washington Post, Savopoulos’ personal assistant delivered a package with 40,000 dollars in cash to her employer’s home on May 14. A few hours later, the house had caught on fire and the four victims had already been killed.


This information further complicates the case that has upset both the United States and Greece. It is still unclear whether the assistant made contact with the assailant, who was at the house at the moment of her arrival. - See more at: http://usa.greekreporter.com/2015/05/21/police-have-a-suspect-in-savvopoulos-family-murder-case/#sthash.0DYpl7Nq.dpuf

The assistant calling the veteran worker in tears masks more sense if it was a female. Not saying males don't cry but I thought that was kinda off.

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Anonymous wrote:What happens now with the two daughters? Where will they live, who will take care of them, how will their school be paid? I believe there are relatives in Florida, perhaps they'd move down there? Just so heartbreaking for them. I pray they'll be able to move onward and get the help they need, emotionally, spiritually, monetarily. I couldn't imagine being in their shoes. Those poor girls.

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Their lives are destroyed. They will never ever recover from this. Even if they are shielded somehow from the worst details of what happened to their family they will find out one day. I wish with all my heart those scumbags had been aborted, hit by a car, whatever.

You are wrong. Read the recent interview with Irma Goff.

Irma Goff is an amazingly strong and resilient woman-I have thought that it would be great if she could talk to the Savo girls and offer some type of support to them. She is truly an inspiration of how to get through unimaginable tragedy.

The surviving daughters are ironically the same ages as 2 of the 3 Goff girls that were killed.

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Anonymous wrote:What happens now with the two daughters? Where will they live, who will take care of them, how will their school be paid? I believe there are relatives in Florida, perhaps they'd move down there? Just so heartbreaking for them. I pray they'll be able to move onward and get the help they need, emotionally, spiritually, monetarily. I couldn't imagine being in their shoes. Those poor girls.

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Their lives are destroyed. They will never ever recover from this. Even if they are shielded somehow from the worst details of what happened to their family they will find out one day. I wish with all my heart those scumbags had been aborted, hit by a car, whatever.

You are wrong. Read the recent interview with Irma Goff.

Irma Goff is an amazingly strong and resilient woman-I have thought that it would be great if she could talk to the Savo girls and offer some type of support to them. She is truly an inspiration of how to get through unimaginable tragedy.

Yes. That article on her that was posted earlier was very inspiring. She is someone who went on with her life and gave so much love to her remaining son. A very strong woman indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't they charge the hostage holding as kidnapping, which is a federal crime. With murder associated with the kidnapping, that would make the lowlife eligible for the death penalty.

I believe the federal kidnapping statute requires a victim to be transported across state lines. There is also a Hostage Taking statute, but it has other potentially problematic requirements that might not be met here.

In any event, the fact that a state/district doesn't have the death penalty in its criminal statute is not a reason to strain to find a federal charge. If they people of the District wanted to the death penalty for heinous murder, they could have the DC Council legislate that.

There is a Federal Death penalty for Murder that combines either Arson, Murder of a Child, or Kidnapping. The interstate nexus is clear.

The feds could in theory step in, take him from DC's jurisdiction, and fry him if they chose, as they did with Timothy McVeigh and will with the Marathon Bomber.

Will they? Normally I would say no. But the crime was so heinous, I would bet he gets indicted by both DC and the feds, as VA and MD did with the DC Snipers, so if an error is made that gets him clear, the second separate trial will be in train. Having a Federal death penalty case lined up behind DC's is certainly an incentive to cooperate.

I forget all the details of some of these cases now, but with the DC Snipers, they committed separate murders in separate states. There's no double jeopardy issue trying them multiple times because their separate events. I'm forgetting my double jeopardy rules now, but in this case wouldn't it apply (at least to the extent you're trying murder under a federal statute)?

I don't see any double jeopardy defense. No way in hell he gets acquitted. He could have a hung jur(ies) or have key evidence tossed and not be found guilty, but that's not 'not guilty' and hence no double jeopardy. Also just recalled Murder with torture is also a Federal Death penalty crime.

Also, for TM and the BBs, weren't there terrorism statutes involved (or other types of statutes that wouldn't apply here)?

I hadn't thought about the fact that the ransom came from MD, so that would provide an interstate nexus.

I agree that given how heinous it was there will be greater chance of a federal case of they can find a basis.

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I read somewhere the Assistant was "let go" from the Jessup, Maryland Go-Cart track in March, and had only been working as SS Assistant for 2 months. He had been working there since 2013. Why was he let go? Drugs? Owed DW money? Maybe just totally innocent.

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Anonymous wrote:What happens now with the two daughters? Where will they live, who will take care of them, how will their school be paid? I believe there are relatives in Florida, perhaps they'd move down there? Just so heartbreaking for them. I pray they'll be able to move onward and get the help they need, emotionally, spiritually, monetarily. I couldn't imagine being in their shoes. Those poor girls.

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Their lives are destroyed. They will never ever recover from this. Even if they are shielded somehow from the worst details of what happened to their family they will find out one day. I wish with all my heart those scumbags had been aborted, hit by a car, whatever.

You are wrong. Read the recent interview with Irma Goff.

Irma Goff is an amazingly strong and resilient woman-I have thought that it would be great if she could talk to the Savo girls and offer some type of support to them. She is truly an inspiration of how to get through unimaginable tragedy.

And dr William petit. Another inspiring person who has moved forward to find joy again in yet face of overwhelming tragedy. I actually think probably most people "recover" from these atrocities. They are forever changed but that doesn'team they won't go on to lead joyful productive lives in which they also honor the motors of their parents and brother. The human spirit is amazingly resilient. I also speak from experience having lost a child. Clearly nowhere near a great a tragedy as the S daughters but I still have hope for them that they are going o be ok. Their parents love will carry them.

Yes. That article on her that was posted earlier was very inspiring. She is someone who went on with her life and gave so much love to her remaining son. A very strong woman indeed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't they charge the hostage holding as kidnapping, which is a federal crime. With murder associated with the kidnapping, that would make the lowlife eligible for the death penalty.

I believe the federal kidnapping statute requires a victim to be transported across state lines. There is also a Hostage Taking statute, but it has other potentially problematic requirements that might not be met here.

In any event, the fact that a state/district doesn't have the death penalty in its criminal statute is not a reason to strain to find a federal charge. If they people of the District wanted to the death penalty for heinous murder, they could have the DC Council legislate that.

There is a Federal Death penalty for Murder that combines either Arson, Murder of a Child, or Kidnapping. The interstate nexus is clear.

The feds could in theory step in, take him from DC's jurisdiction, and fry him if they chose, as they did with Timothy McVeigh and will with the Marathon Bomber.

Will they? Normally I would say no. But the crime was so heinous, I would bet he gets indicted by both DC and the feds, as VA and MD did with the DC Snipers, so if an error is made that gets him clear, the second separate trial will be in train. Having a Federal death penalty case lined up behind DC's is certainly an incentive to cooperate.

They should burn this monster just like he burned that child to death.

2400 volts will fry him pretty quickly from the inside out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fox5DC on internet dropped hints about the Assistant.I wonder if he was a mastermind of some sort.

Please clarify your post or provide the link

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/29135187/daron-wint-court

The assistant told two very different versions of how he picked up and then dropped off the money. He only changed his story when confronted by police with text messages that contradicted his first version.

What was the assistant's motive for not telling the truth to the police the first time??

No one will believe me but... The husband once told me he was spending a year in the carribean to avoid certain tax issues. My guess is either a) the assistant was accustomed to some cash dealings and spoke before he knew of the murder, b) the assistant assumed hed be fired if he told the truth

A lot of wealthy people do Florida, Caymans, etc, and dot every I and cross every T with very professional and clever tax people from the biggest and most respected law and accounting firms. Thats not nefarious....thats simply wanting your kids to get the half of your life savings that the taxman will take. Its 100% normal and done by all wealthy people who are working for their kids and grand kids, especially with a valuable family business. My first thoughts too, living in the same circles but not knowing the family was it smelled fishy, but at this point, just seems like a guy who inherited something, made it even bigger, and was just looking out for his family. Had high speed hoobys, but nothing remotely nefarious.

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Both cases listed are adults who moved on. I hope two teen girls without parents are able to find a way to do the same ...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fox5DC on internet dropped hints about the Assistant.I wonder if he was a mastermind of some sort.

Please clarify your post or provide the link

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/29135187/daron-wint-court

The assistant told two very different versions of how he picked up and then dropped off the money. He only changed his story when confronted by police with text messages that contradicted his first version.

What was the assistant's motive for not telling the truth to the police the first time??

No one will believe me but... The husband once told me he was spending a year in the carribean to avoid certain tax issues. My guess is either a) the assistant was accustomed to some cash dealings and spoke before he knew of the murder, b) the assistant assumed hed be fired if he told the truth

+100 That first part was common knowledge.

Who took care of the son during this time?

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Anonymous wrote:I served as a juror on a federal drug case here in DC. Repeat offender sold crack within 1000 feet of a school. Prior record. Eye witnesses. No question he was guilty. We could not get unanimous vote...one woman stated..."he has seen my coat".
Hung jury. No amount of convincing would sway her. We pleaded for hours. Hope they move this trial.

Did you tell the judge? The "he has seen my coat" quote in the context you're describing should be grounds for removal.

This is one of those circumstances when they should call the Baltimore cops for a little outsourcing job, namely to take the defendant on a rough ride.

Friend of mine is a Triple Ivy degree AA. On a DC Murder trial....same thing....one juror from the neighborhood wouldn't find guilt. He was appalled, in that 11 thought they hung 11-1 on a clear murderer. That wont happen here.

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Is there any specific reason that the killer has only been charged in the dad's murder so far? Is it possible that accomplices were involved with the other killings and so he won't be charged until they are also arrested?
What evidence do they have linking him to the killing of SS, but not to the killing of the others?
Or is this just standard operating procedure ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just checking in and catching up. So SS assistant was a female?

One article I read consistently uses "he."

I assumed it was a "he" until I read this article stating "she"?

According to Washington Post, Savopoulos’ personal assistant delivered a package with 40,000 dollars in cash to her employer’s home on May 14. A few hours later, the house had caught on fire and the four victims had already been killed.


This information further complicates the case that has upset both the United States and Greece. It is still unclear whether the assistant made contact with the assailant, who was at the house at the moment of her arrival. - See more at: http://usa.greekreporter.com/2015/05/21/police-have-a-suspect-in-savvopoulos-family-murder-case/#sthash.0DYpl7Nq.dpuf

The reports out there, including name say he was an amateur race car driver, employed by the family. A pure Kato Kallin (sp?) OJ's airhead, and innocent, pool boy, server, awed by the toys and trappings. JMO.