Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:Oof I would not want to be Fuentes right now:

High profile right wingers on X bicker like this constantly. I wouldn't read into it.

That said, I find it totally plausible that the shooter probably aligns politically with Fuentes. I just don't believe that he was so riled up by anything Fuentes said that it motivated the killing.

How these people full of hate called themselves Christians?

[Anonymous]

Looks like the alleged shooter is chairman of the MAGA committee in St. George, Utah.



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Anonymous wrote:Oof I would not want to be Fuentes right now:

High profile right wingers on X bicker like this constantly. I wouldn't read into it.

That said, I find it totally plausible that the shooter probably aligns politically with Fuentes. I just don't believe that he was so riled up by anything Fuentes said that it motivated the killing.

How these people full of hate called themselves Christians?

gaslighting is bloodsport for them

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Anonymous wrote:Oof I would not want to be Fuentes right now:

High profile right wingers on X bicker like this constantly. I wouldn't read into it.

That said, I find it totally plausible that the shooter probably aligns politically with Fuentes. I just don't believe that he was so riled up by anything Fuentes said that it motivated the killing.

How these people full of hate called themselves Christians?

You know how.

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The right of center of America has lost the thread about when it actually makes America great.

It's not:
Corrupt billionaires
Biased news and information
Trashing anyoe who is not white and hetrosexual or an avowed Christian
or forcing big companies to give equity to the US government (That's actual socialism).
Ignoring science
Hating on our allies
promoting strongmen in other countries
Trade wars that we are losing
High inflation
Poor Jobs numbers
declaring war on our own citizens
Occupying american cities with armed soldiers
using the white house to make $3 billion in bitcoin profits and to sell merchandise.
hiring incompentent leaders because they espouse undying loyalty
Hiring dumbasses became they espouse undying loyalty
Hiring chesty blondes because they espouse undying loyalty
Covering up a long and close relationship with a pedaphile.
Sexually abusing women generally.

Please feel free to add to the list

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Wow, so it is OK to take it out on black colleges?

The joke, you missed it. The critical thinking skills in this country are absolutely horrendous.

DP. Sarcasm doesn’t always work. Everyone has to be in on it to understand it.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like the alleged shooter is chairman of the MAGA committee in St. George, Utah.



That’s the sound whooshing out of the MAGA narrative balloon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the alleged shooter is chairman of the MAGA committee in St. George, Utah.



What?

[Anonymous]

With the Kirk assassination becoming clearer, we need to talk about the radicalized, Right Wing subculture that carries out terrorism and mass shootings.

They’re an essential part of MAGA and so people really don’t want to see what is undeniable.

https://jaredyatessexton.substack.com/p/the-threat-no-one-wants-to-talk-about

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Anonymous wrote:One thing is very clear: the reaction of a huge swath of the left, who celebrated and cheered Kirk's assassination.

Kirk was the "nice guy" that allegedly the left wanted to debate. And yet he was killed... and the left celebrated, cheered, and put out t-shirts. This site is full of "Kirk said stuff so it's good he was killed!" type posts.

And people have noticed the reaction of the left. And noticed just how gleeful and celebratory the left was when someone who holds beliefs the vast majority of Americans hold, such as "DEI is bad" and "men in dresses do not belong in women's sports" was killed.

It's patently obvious it is not just Kirk that the left wants dead. The reaction by leftists has made it crystal clear.

His debates were staged and cherrypicked and he refused to debate anyone with a brain. Bad faith actor.

That said I no longer give a crap what you think and want to say about the left, because it's all completely irrelevant now that we know the guy who shot him wasn't even a leftist, he's an alt-right groyper, as seen in the memes that the shooter embraced. That's right, the shooter was not a "deranged leftist" - he was to the right of Charlie Kirk. The groypers view Kirk as a sellout, and as a fake conservative.

That seems to be the new talking point - shooter’s motive doesn’t matter, what really matters is the celebrating lefties who hate America and must be stopped

There's no "new talking point" - it's just you idiots with your same old bogus talking point of "blame everything on the left" even when all indications now are that the shooter was alt-right. When your stale talking point doesn't comport with reality you complain and accuse others of changing the narrative, when in fact it was yours that was wrong all along.

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Anonymous wrote:"Three unfired casings found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included left-wing slogans such as “Hey fascist! Catch!” engraved on the side along with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows."

But yeah, sure, he was a Republican.

He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying.

These are all video game references, moron.

And do you think he killed CK because he wanted to make a statement about video game references? Or is it possible that he curated the references along a theme? Just spit-balling here but I think there might be a theme. And it's decidedly not a MAGA theme.

The problem right here is that so many of us don't understand this world that these young men are living in online. I can't say you're ignorance is astounding because I don't blame you for not knowing. But I do blame you for is actively not trying to learn and listen. Digging in is so so bad

You don't think any of those things but wanted a passive-aggressive way to avoid responding. I do agree, however, that digging in is so so bad. Just because young men are steeped in the internet doesn't mean that the things they say mean nothing. That's like saying the only thing my words have in common is that they are spoken in English. Just because he speaks Internet doesn't mean he isn't saying something in Internetese. Why is it so hard to accept that he was spouting a series of anti-fascist sentiments, and that this suggests a motive?

I did mean what I said, but you coninue proving my point. I have an 18 year old son who thankfully did not go down this rabbit hole, but some of his friends did. And I teach college freshmen. It is my job to know what these things are so I know what is going on with my son, his peers, and my students.

Like Fuentes and groypers and internet memes and all manner of stuff that is unrelated to this tragedy (Goggins, Liver king, Hustlers University, wojacks).

Do you know what these are? Because I do and that's why at the moment, your premise doesn't hold water. The game is literally played from the perpective of "soldiers" spreading authoritarianism. You are playing to uphold a fascist state.

Are you willing to learn and to see this world, or do you want to bury your head some more.

Listen, I'm not doubting that the scribblings are video game references or questioning your scholarly expertise on such things, but I think you are using the fact that these are video game references as a red herring because you don't want to consider what the scribblings have in common other than being written by someone who speaks in video game references. And, then, having dismissed all the indicators of an anti-fascist motive, your logic jumps to "He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying." You're dismissing the evidence the shooter actually provided on his motive as the ravings of a gamer and then filling in the gaps with a fiction spun from his demographics to lead to a conclusion that has no basis in the facts.

OR...hear me out (DP from the one you are responding to) ... you are trying in any way possible to contort yourself into believing that there is no way a MAGA could have done this horrible deed, so you are ignoring the basic facts of life as a 22 year old male in the USA in 2025

I assure you I get no comfort from this deed being done by anyone to anyone. Not everyone arguing “not so fast” is wearing a red hat. I’ve never voted for a Republican. In fact, I’d never heard of CK before this and abhor most of what he had to say now that I have heard of him. My point is that we should take a clear-eyed view of the evidence so far. I do think what he wrote is more relevant than his being a young white male growing up in Utah. The folks declaring definitively that he is either left or right need to take a deep breath and admit we don’t have enough to know. No contortions needed to say we should honestly consider what we know and what we know is mixed bag (as Jeff’s blog post articulated best).

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Anonymous wrote:"Three unfired casings found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included left-wing slogans such as “Hey fascist! Catch!” engraved on the side along with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows."

But yeah, sure, he was a Republican.

He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying.

These are all video game references, moron.

And do you think he killed CK because he wanted to make a statement about video game references? Or is it possible that he curated the references along a theme? Just spit-balling here but I think there might be a theme. And it's decidedly not a MAGA theme.

The problem right here is that so many of us don't understand this world that these young men are living in online. I can't say you're ignorance is astounding because I don't blame you for not knowing. But I do blame you for is actively not trying to learn and listen. Digging in is so so bad

You don't think any of those things but wanted a passive-aggressive way to avoid responding. I do agree, however, that digging in is so so bad. Just because young men are steeped in the internet doesn't mean that the things they say mean nothing. That's like saying the only thing my words have in common is that they are spoken in English. Just because he speaks Internet doesn't mean he isn't saying something in Internetese. Why is it so hard to accept that he was spouting a series of anti-fascist sentiments, and that this suggests a motive?

I did mean what I said, but you coninue proving my point. I have an 18 year old son who thankfully did not go down this rabbit hole, but some of his friends did. And I teach college freshmen. It is my job to know what these things are so I know what is going on with my son, his peers, and my students.

Like Fuentes and groypers and internet memes and all manner of stuff that is unrelated to this tragedy (Goggins, Liver king, Hustlers University, wojacks).

Do you know what these are? Because I do and that's why at the moment, your premise doesn't hold water. The game is literally played from the perpective of "soldiers" spreading authoritarianism. You are playing to uphold a fascist state.

Are you willing to learn and to see this world, or do you want to bury your head some more.

Listen, I'm not doubting that the scribblings are video game references or questioning your scholarly expertise on such things, but I think you are using the fact that these are video game references as a red herring because you don't want to consider what the scribblings have in common other than being written by someone who speaks in video game references. And, then, having dismissed all the indicators of an anti-fascist motive, your logic jumps to "He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying." You're dismissing the evidence the shooter actually provided on his motive as the ravings of a gamer and then filling in the gaps with a fiction spun from his demographics to lead to a conclusion that has no basis in the facts.

OR...hear me out (DP from the one you are responding to) ... you are trying in any way possible to contort yourself into believing that there is no way a MAGA could have done this horrible deed, so you are ignoring the basic facts of life as a 22 year old male in the USA in 2025

I assure you I get no comfort from this deed being done by anyone to anyone. Not everyone arguing “not so fast” is wearing a red hat. I’ve never voted for a Republican. In fact, I’d never heard of CK before this and abhor most of what he had to say now that I have heard of him. My point is that we should take a clear-eyed view of the evidence so far. I do think what he wrote is more relevant than his being a young white male growing up in Utah. The folks declaring definitively that he is either left or right need to take a deep breath and admit we don’t have enough to know. No contortions needed to say we should honestly consider what we know and what we know is mixed bag (as Jeff’s blog post articulated best).

But you have to look at what he wrote through the lens of a 22 year old male living in rural American in 2025 who is on discord, 4chan etc, not through the eyes of a suburban mom in a liberal area who has a classic education.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing is very clear: the reaction of a huge swath of the left, who celebrated and cheered Kirk's assassination.

Kirk was the "nice guy" that allegedly the left wanted to debate. And yet he was killed... and the left celebrated, cheered, and put out t-shirts. This site is full of "Kirk said stuff so it's good he was killed!" type posts.

And people have noticed the reaction of the left. And noticed just how gleeful and celebratory the left was when someone who holds beliefs the vast majority of Americans hold, such as "DEI is bad" and "men in dresses do not belong in women's sports" was killed.

It's patently obvious it is not just Kirk that the left wants dead. The reaction by leftists has made it crystal clear.

His debates were staged and cherrypicked and he refused to debate anyone with a brain. Bad faith actor.

That said I no longer give a crap what you think and want to say about the left, because it's all completely irrelevant now that we know the guy who shot him wasn't even a leftist, he's an alt-right groyper, as seen in the memes that the shooter embraced. That's right, the shooter was not a "deranged leftist" - he was to the right of Charlie Kirk. The groypers view Kirk as a sellout, and as a fake conservative.

That seems to be the new talking point - shooter’s motive doesn’t matter, what really matters is the celebrating lefties who hate America and must be stopped

You're full of crap. Every major Democrat has strongly denounced and condemned the shooting.

And the shooter's motive is that he's an alt-right Groyper who believed Charlie Kirk was a conservative-lite sellout.

Don’t feed the crazy RWNJ troll.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like the alleged shooter is chairman of the MAGA committee in St. George, Utah.



What?

DP - I couldn't find anything on that but it looks like he donated to Trump in 2020.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One thing is very clear: the reaction of a huge swath of the left, who celebrated and cheered Kirk's assassination.

Kirk was the "nice guy" that allegedly the left wanted to debate. And yet he was killed... and the left celebrated, cheered, and put out t-shirts. This site is full of "Kirk said stuff so it's good he was killed!" type posts.

And people have noticed the reaction of the left. And noticed just how gleeful and celebratory the left was when someone who holds beliefs the vast majority of Americans hold, such as "DEI is bad" and "men in dresses do not belong in women's sports" was killed.

It's patently obvious it is not just Kirk that the left wants dead. The reaction by leftists has made it crystal clear.

His debates were staged and cherrypicked and he refused to debate anyone with a brain. Bad faith actor.

That said I no longer give a crap what you think and want to say about the left, because it's all completely irrelevant now that we know the guy who shot him wasn't even a leftist, he's an alt-right groyper, as seen in the memes that the shooter embraced. That's right, the shooter was not a "deranged leftist" - he was to the right of Charlie Kirk. The groypers view Kirk as a sellout, and as a fake conservative.

That seems to be the new talking point - shooter’s motive doesn’t matter, what really matters is the celebrating lefties who hate America and must be stopped

You're full of crap. Every major Democrat has strongly denounced and condemned the shooting.

And the shooter's motive is that he's an alt-right Groyper who believed Charlie Kirk was a conservative-lite sellout.

Don’t feed the crazy RWNJ troll.

All of you are jumping on this poster not realizing they are argeeing with you- they're talking about what the new rw talking point IS, not agreeing with it.