Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, I think that based on Baldoni’s obsequiousness during the filming (He rolled over for her during the filming to avoid antagonizing her), Blake thought he would cower under threats and she would come out on top. Just because someone is deferential at the workplace in order to achieve their aims, does not mean they are fools who won’t fight back when you have them in a corner.


Isn't it a problem that he "rolled over" for her during filming though? It seems like he really mishandled his position during filming and that goes to her allegation that the set was unprofessionally run.


Being unprofessional isn't illegal and if he was unprofessional by showing too much deference, that hurts her claims overall.


Yeah, I don’t get how he was too accommodating and differential and also sexually harassed her.


My perception of the footage that has been released is that he is not accommodating or deferential, but he communicated poorly and was not direct or authoritative. It's not like he just lets her change the scene so they are talking the whole time -- he doesn't actually engage with her the way she's proposing. He just kind of ignores her suggestions and then argues with her and then goes ahead doing it his way with all the nuzzling/kissing (which only he does).

He just seems like a bad communicator and that will give rise to misunderstandings.


But not sexual harassment. Also, why didn’t she speak up. She never once said she was uncomfortable. Communication works both ways.


She says she has documentation of her raising these issues on several occasions prior to the break in filming during the strike, and then the January meeting where she says these issues were raised and Baldoni and Heath agreed to correct their behavior.

We'll see if the evidence backs that up but she is claiming she raised concerns about feeling uncomfortable on the set and wanting an IC present in numerous occasions.


This was shot in May 2023. But my point is that she didn’t raise any objections in this 10 minute footage. He may not have been communicating great, but she doesn’t seem to be either. The burden should be on both of them to communicate. Also, he laid out what he wanted in the scene. She laid out why she thought it would be more romantic to have them talking, and it seems like they met in the middle. With some moments of them not talking and some moments of them talking. It seems like they both communicated what they wanted if she felt differently, she really needed to speak up.


She did speak up when he said "it smells good." She immediately straightens up and tells him she was talking about her body makeup. It's very clear in context that she did not like what he said and felt it crossed a line.


Saying someone smells good crosses a line and is sexual harassment? lol. This is beyond outlandish. You all are not real people. This is all absurd.



It’s either a troll or Blake pr. No real person could be this illogical, and also committed to posting endlessly on this thread. It doesn’t matter, in the real world, Blake’s case is toast and everyone knows it. Really curious how long it takes The NY Times to hit the escape hatch. And I think it will be a long long time before they publish another story about sexual harassment. We can thank Blake for that.


NP. Way to shift the goal posts. PP says she should have spoken up, so someone points out that she did... now it's "that alone is SH, you must be a troll!" No. PP was pointing out that she did speak up, making it clear she was uncomfortable. If this kind of interaction happened once, it would 100% not be SH. If over and over again he did this and every time she tried to put a stop to it? Of course it would be. Note that I'm not saying that happened, because I have no idea. But my take on this scene is that Blake is clearly uncomfortable from the get go, constantly tries to ramp down the physical/sexual parts of the scene and, when he oversteps line, pushes back. I can absolutely see how your boss doing this repeatedly would create a hostile environment.


Exactly. No one, including Blake Lively, is claiming that Baldoni's behavior in this scene constitutes "harassment."

Her complaint alleges that there were a series of unprofessional, boundary violating behaviors that led Lively to request Baldoni and Wayfarer to agree to a code of conduct before she returned to the set post strike. They did agree, and she returned to the set. Separately, Baldoni hired a PR agency during promotion of the movie to astroturf online message boards and fan sites with negative info about Lively, which she claims is retaliation for her complaining during filming about his behavior.

You can't disprove her entire cause of action by showing a few minutes of footage and saying "see, it looks like she's enjoying it." Especially when to many people, it does NOT look like she's enjoying it, and the footage includes an exchange that is describe accurately in her complaint, in which she felt he crossed a line, and spoke up about it.


So now you are saying she didn’t accuse him of sexual harassment? Now it’s all about “boundary-violating behaviors”?


Yeah that’s why she went to the Times!!
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Anonymous wrote:Wow Blake and Ryan filed a letter in court asking the judge to gag Baldoni’s lawyer and stop him from talking to the media. Who is giving them this advice? Amazing.


Someone predicted this would happen a few pages ago—that JB’s lawyer was probably releasing things now, quickly, before a gag issue was ordered. I do wonder why they started with this video. Is it possible they don’t have what they say they have?


You mean is it possible JB side doesn't have more evidence?


What else do you think needs to be released? He’s released a lot that show that there was clearly more context than what the New York Times article laid out. This was a pretty serious allegation in the complaint. She described this scene and she didn’t think it had audio, turns out it did and he was able to shoot down that set of allegations.

I’m betting there’s nothing damning that’s going to show Blake lively schemed to this whole thing up. But there’s probably more embarrassing texts like the whole Game of Thrones dragon things that she just probably does not want out because she looks silly.

There could be evidence that she skipped other meetings and screwed up the schedule and maybe that’s why the intimacy coordinator wasn’t there, etc. I don’t think Justin has a smoking gun but I think he has enough to show that her claims are missing context. And that while it may not have been the most smoothly run set, there was not sexual harassment.
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Anonymous wrote:Also, I think that based on Baldoni’s obsequiousness during the filming (He rolled over for her during the filming to avoid antagonizing her), Blake thought he would cower under threats and she would come out on top. Just because someone is deferential at the workplace in order to achieve their aims, does not mean they are fools who won’t fight back when you have them in a corner.


Isn't it a problem that he "rolled over" for her during filming though? It seems like he really mishandled his position during filming and that goes to her allegation that the set was unprofessionally run.


Being unprofessional isn't illegal and if he was unprofessional by showing too much deference, that hurts her claims overall.


Yeah, I don’t get how he was too accommodating and differential and also sexually harassed her.


My perception of the footage that has been released is that he is not accommodating or deferential, but he communicated poorly and was not direct or authoritative. It's not like he just lets her change the scene so they are talking the whole time -- he doesn't actually engage with her the way she's proposing. He just kind of ignores her suggestions and then argues with her and then goes ahead doing it his way with all the nuzzling/kissing (which only he does).

He just seems like a bad communicator and that will give rise to misunderstandings.


But not sexual harassment. Also, why didn’t she speak up. She never once said she was uncomfortable. Communication works both ways.


She says she has documentation of her raising these issues on several occasions prior to the break in filming during the strike, and then the January meeting where she says these issues were raised and Baldoni and Heath agreed to correct their behavior.

We'll see if the evidence backs that up but she is claiming she raised concerns about feeling uncomfortable on the set and wanting an IC present in numerous occasions.


This was shot in May 2023. But my point is that she didn’t raise any objections in this 10 minute footage. He may not have been communicating great, but she doesn’t seem to be either. The burden should be on both of them to communicate. Also, he laid out what he wanted in the scene. She laid out why she thought it would be more romantic to have them talking, and it seems like they met in the middle. With some moments of them not talking and some moments of them talking. It seems like they both communicated what they wanted if she felt differently, she really needed to speak up.


She did speak up when he said "it smells good." She immediately straightens up and tells him she was talking about her body makeup. It's very clear in context that she did not like what he said and felt it crossed a line.


Saying someone smells good crosses a line and is sexual harassment? lol. This is beyond outlandish. You all are not real people. This is all absurd.



It’s either a troll or Blake pr. No real person could be this illogical, and also committed to posting endlessly on this thread. It doesn’t matter, in the real world, Blake’s case is toast and everyone knows it. Really curious how long it takes The NY Times to hit the escape hatch. And I think it will be a long long time before they publish another story about sexual harassment. We can thank Blake for that.


NP. Way to shift the goal posts. PP says she should have spoken up, so someone points out that she did... now it's "that alone is SH, you must be a troll!" No. PP was pointing out that she did speak up, making it clear she was uncomfortable. If this kind of interaction happened once, it would 100% not be SH. If over and over again he did this and every time she tried to put a stop to it? Of course it would be. Note that I'm not saying that happened, because I have no idea. But my take on this scene is that Blake is clearly uncomfortable from the get go, constantly tries to ramp down the physical/sexual parts of the scene and, when he oversteps line, pushes back. I can absolutely see how your boss doing this repeatedly would create a hostile environment.


Exactly. No one, including Blake Lively, is claiming that Baldoni's behavior in this scene constitutes "harassment."

Her complaint alleges that there were a series of unprofessional, boundary violating behaviors that led Lively to request Baldoni and Wayfarer to agree to a code of conduct before she returned to the set post strike. They did agree, and she returned to the set. Separately, Baldoni hired a PR agency during promotion of the movie to astroturf online message boards and fan sites with negative info about Lively, which she claims is retaliation for her complaining during filming about his behavior.

You can't disprove her entire cause of action by showing a few minutes of footage and saying "see, it looks like she's enjoying it." Especially when to many people, it does NOT look like she's enjoying it, and the footage includes an exchange that is describe accurately in her complaint, in which she felt he crossed a line, and spoke up about it.


They absolutely are claiming it’s harassment.
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Have you guys read her complaint or not?

She is alleging sexual harassment via "hostile work environment." This means she's not alleging that there was a single incident of harassment, but that Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarerer engaged in a pattern of behavior resulting in a hostile work environment. The incident depicted in the footage just released was one of many such incidents detailed in Lively's complaint.

She is also alleging infliction of emotional distress, breach of contract (regarding her nudity rider), and retaliation.

If you want to sit here and decide based on a few minutes of footage that she has "no case," go for it. But that's not actually how a case like this works and you don't actually have enough info to know either way.
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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read her complaint or not?

She is alleging sexual harassment via "hostile work environment." This means she's not alleging that there was a single incident of harassment, but that Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarerer engaged in a pattern of behavior resulting in a hostile work environment. The incident depicted in the footage just released was one of many such incidents detailed in Lively's complaint.

She is also alleging infliction of emotional distress, breach of contract (regarding her nudity rider), and retaliation.

If you want to sit here and decide based on a few minutes of footage that she has "no case," go for it. But that's not actually how a case like this works and you don't actually have enough info to know either way.


For the 8 millionth time: 17 claims of behavior that is not sexual harassment does not amount to a claim of sexual harassment. That’s not how it works. Of course the footage released only goes to one incident but it does a LOT more to impeach her overall credibility.
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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read her complaint or not?

She is alleging sexual harassment via "hostile work environment." This means she's not alleging that there was a single incident of harassment, but that Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarerer engaged in a pattern of behavior resulting in a hostile work environment. The incident depicted in the footage just released was one of many such incidents detailed in Lively's complaint.

She is also alleging infliction of emotional distress, breach of contract (regarding her nudity rider), and retaliation.

If you want to sit here and decide based on a few minutes of footage that she has "no case," go for it. But that's not actually how a case like this works and you don't actually have enough info to know either way.


You literally do not understand employment law and sexual harassment claims. Christ, you’re embarrassing.
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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read her complaint or not?

She is alleging sexual harassment via "hostile work environment." This means she's not alleging that there was a single incident of harassment, but that Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarerer engaged in a pattern of behavior resulting in a hostile work environment. The incident depicted in the footage just released was one of many such incidents detailed in Lively's complaint.

She is also alleging infliction of emotional distress, breach of contract (regarding her nudity rider), and retaliation.

If you want to sit here and decide based on a few minutes of footage that she has "no case," go for it. But that's not actually how a case like this works and you don't actually have enough info to know either way.


People like you likely decided after the NYTimes article that she has a case, so why is basing judgement on actual footage of their interaction problematic? You are probably an upper class white woman, and it’s understandable that you believe her, but others don’t consider an a lister elite celebrity a victim unless she shows proof. And who knows, maybe she has a smoking gun.
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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read her complaint or not?

She is alleging sexual harassment via "hostile work environment." This means she's not alleging that there was a single incident of harassment, but that Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarerer engaged in a pattern of behavior resulting in a hostile work environment. The incident depicted in the footage just released was one of many such incidents detailed in Lively's complaint.

She is also alleging infliction of emotional distress, breach of contract (regarding her nudity rider), and retaliation.

If you want to sit here and decide based on a few minutes of footage that she has "no case," go for it. But that's not actually how a case like this works and you don't actually have enough info to know either way.


People like you likely decided after the NYTimes article that she has a case, so why is basing judgement on actual footage of their interaction problematic? You are probably an upper class white woman, and it’s understandable that you believe her, but others don’t consider an a lister elite celebrity a victim unless she shows proof. And who knows, maybe she has a smoking gun.


She with a smoking gun doesn’t delete her Instagram, particularly when she’s selling multiple product lines.
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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read her complaint or not?

She is alleging sexual harassment via "hostile work environment." This means she's not alleging that there was a single incident of harassment, but that Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarerer engaged in a pattern of behavior resulting in a hostile work environment. The incident depicted in the footage just released was one of many such incidents detailed in Lively's complaint.

She is also alleging infliction of emotional distress, breach of contract (regarding her nudity rider), and retaliation.

If you want to sit here and decide based on a few minutes of footage that she has "no case," go for it. But that's not actually how a case like this works and you don't actually have enough info to know either way.


When they start chipping away at each of her allegations, including the most egregious sounding ones like this one, that seems like a pretty big deal for her overall claim.
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Anonymous wrote:Do people think Blake also lied to Ryan or he is in on the scheme?


Maybe she misperceived a lot of things and he egged her on. He is one of her dragons after all.
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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read her complaint or not?

She is alleging sexual harassment via "hostile work environment." This means she's not alleging that there was a single incident of harassment, but that Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarerer engaged in a pattern of behavior resulting in a hostile work environment. The incident depicted in the footage just released was one of many such incidents detailed in Lively's complaint.

She is also alleging infliction of emotional distress, breach of contract (regarding her nudity rider), and retaliation.

If you want to sit here and decide based on a few minutes of footage that she has "no case," go for it. But that's not actually how a case like this works and you don't actually have enough info to know either way.


When they start chipping away at each of her allegations, including the most egregious sounding ones like this one, that seems like a pretty big deal for her overall claim.


It's not the "most egregious sounding one." It's one. And I also don't think this chips away at it. She says he was kissing and being intimate even though she was resistant to that direction for the scene. That is shown in this footage. It also says that he was kissing/nuzzling her when he says "it smells good" in a way she perceived to be out of character and inappropriate, and it shows him saying that as he's doing those things, and also shows her being bothered by it in the moment and saying something to that effect.

I don't get how this footage is in any way exonerating for him.
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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read her complaint or not?

She is alleging sexual harassment via "hostile work environment." This means she's not alleging that there was a single incident of harassment, but that Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarerer engaged in a pattern of behavior resulting in a hostile work environment. The incident depicted in the footage just released was one of many such incidents detailed in Lively's complaint.


If it happened exactly as she described, where he just starts nuzzling her and telling her she smells so good, then to me, that would be an example of something that's not per se sexual harassment but could contribute to hostile work environment if there's a pattern of such incidents. But with the additional context presented in the video, it is a huge stretch to even say that much. And if all of her incidents are like this, she has nothing.
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For the record, here are there complaints. Hers might be technically truthful (but very disingenuous to complain that nothing needed to be said, when she's clearly the one advocating for talking) but it's clear that his is much more honest.

Lively's
32. On another occasion, Mr. Baldoni and Ms. Lively were filming a slow dance scene for a montage in which no sound was recorded. Mr. Baldoni chose to let the camera roll and have them perform the scene, but did not act in character as Ryle; instead, he spoke to Ms. Lively out of character as himself. At one point, he leaned forward and slowly dragged his lips from her ear and down her neck as he said, “it smells so good. " None of this was remotely in character, or based on any dialogue in the script, and nothing needed to be said because, again, there was no sound—Mr. Baldoni was caressing Mr. Lively
with his mouth in a way that had nothing to do with their roles. When Ms. Lively later objected to this behavior, Ms. Baldoni's response was, “I'm not even attracted to you."

Baldoni's
89. Lively’s later complaint sheds light on what this point was alluding to in this
demand, which at the time was baffling, and upon review of the filmed evidence, is unequivocally based on a lie. Production was filming a “romance montage” of Lily and Ryle on their date. One of the producers played music to set the mood so the characters could slow dance. Lively, consistently unable to take direction, insisted she really liked the idea of the characters constantly talking, because, as she described, she and her husband like to “keep talking and talking and talking.” Baldoni, her director, and the film’s assistant director (who was directing the scene) disagreed. In an attempt to encourage her to take his direction Baldoni offered up that he and his wife often just look into each other’s eyes silently, to which she responded, “Like sociopaths,” and laughed. Baldoni laughed and shook it off, while Lively once again started talking about how she and her husband can’t not talk. Baldoni said, “I think that’s cute,” and complimented the couple, to which Lively responded, “I think it’s more than cute.”
90. Lively continued arguing and tried to direct him for the scene. while they were
supposed to be in character filming the scene. At some point Heath and another producer, irritated, called Baldoni aside to express they can’t capture the intended “shot” because Lively wouldn’t stop talking. He was instructed to somehow get her to stop. While there was a brief verbal exchange, Baldoni, heeding the instruction of their Assistant Director and producers, continued to try to bring them back into character. As they were acting in this montage scene, Lively continued to break character and speak as herself rather than as Lily, which was extremely confusing for Baldoni, who was trying to balance directing the scene within his artistic vision while also acting in character while filming and trying to get Lively to do the same. Lively apologized for the smell of her spray tan and body makeup. Baldoni responded, “It smells good,” and continued acting, slow dancing as he believed his character would with his partner, which requires some amount of physical touching. Lively took them out of character again and began to joke about Baldoni’s nose, which he laughed off and joked in turn, even as Lively joked that he should get plastic surgery.
16 Lively incorrectly alleges that this scene was filmed without sound. Baldoni was wearing a microphone, and the entire exchange is captured on camera. Any suggestion that this scene was filmed in any manner other than pure professionalism by Baldoni is unequivocally countered with actual evidence. Her allegation of sexual harassment is a documented and knowingly fabricated lie.
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I’m so tired of this annoying couple. And I think her husband is a closeted gay man. She prob agreed to be his beard in exchange for a career.
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Anonymous wrote:Wow Blake and Ryan filed a letter in court asking the judge to gag Baldoni’s lawyer and stop him from talking to the media. Who is giving them this advice? Amazing.


Someone predicted this would happen a few pages ago—that JB’s lawyer was probably releasing things now, quickly, before a gag issue was ordered. I do wonder why they started with this video. Is it possible they don’t have what they say they have?


You mean is it possible JB side doesn't have more evidence?


What else do you think needs to be released? He’s released a lot that show that there was clearly more context than what the New York Times article laid out. This was a pretty serious allegation in the complaint. She described this scene and she didn’t think it had audio, turns out it did and he was able to shoot down that set of allegations.

I’m betting there’s nothing damning that’s going to show Blake lively schemed to this whole thing up. But there’s probably more embarrassing texts like the whole Game of Thrones dragon things that she just probably does not want out because she looks silly.

There could be evidence that she skipped other meetings and screwed up the schedule and maybe that’s why the intimacy coordinator wasn’t there, etc. I don’t think Justin has a smoking gun but I think he has enough to show that her claims are missing context. And that while it may not have been the most smoothly run set, there was not sexual harassment.


Oh I just meant some of the other stuff like the birth scene footage. If she’s wearing briefs like they said versus a thin strip of fabric
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