Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, I think that based on Baldoni’s obsequiousness during the filming (He rolled over for her during the filming to avoid antagonizing her), Blake thought he would cower under threats and she would come out on top. Just because someone is deferential at the workplace in order to achieve their aims, does not mean they are fools who won’t fight back when you have them in a corner.

Isn't it a problem that he "rolled over" for her during filming though? It seems like he really mishandled his position during filming and that goes to her allegation that the set was unprofessionally run.

Is she suing him running the set unprofessionally? No. She is suing for something far more egregious. Hopefully, he learned from this “killing two birds with one stone situation” as it has landed him in such a horrible position. I don’t think he harassed her and even if there’s a smoking gun that shows he didn’t, there are people who will always believe he did. This allegation is a stain that will remain on him regardless of the outcome and that is quite unfortunate.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow Blake and Ryan filed a letter in court asking the judge to gag Baldoni’s lawyer and stop him from talking to the media. Who is giving them this advice? Amazing.

Someone predicted this would happen a few pages ago—that JB’s lawyer was probably releasing things now, quickly, before a gag issue was ordered. I do wonder why they started with this video. Is it possible they don’t have what they say they have?

It is going to be hard to get a gag order when she released hundreds of texts to the NYTimes.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, I think that based on Baldoni’s obsequiousness during the filming (He rolled over for her during the filming to avoid antagonizing her), Blake thought he would cower under threats and she would come out on top. Just because someone is deferential at the workplace in order to achieve their aims, does not mean they are fools who won’t fight back when you have them in a corner.

Isn't it a problem that he "rolled over" for her during filming though? It seems like he really mishandled his position during filming and that goes to her allegation that the set was unprofessionally run.

Is she suing him running the set unprofessionally? No. She is suing for something far more egregious. Hopefully, he learned from this “killing two birds with one stone situation” as it has landed him in such a horrible position. I don’t think he harassed her and even if there’s a smoking gun that shows he didn’t, there are people who will always believe he did. This allegation is a stain that will remain on him regardless of the outcome and that is quite unfortunate.

I don’t think that is right. He’ll be vindicated. Had he not fought back, different story.

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She was giggling when he they were talking about his beard and her body makeup. That's just not the demeanor associated with abuse My bet is Baldoni has more outtakes showing his interactions with Blake.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow Blake and Ryan filed a letter in court asking the judge to gag Baldoni’s lawyer and stop him from talking to the media. Who is giving them this advice? Amazing.

Someone predicted this would happen a few pages ago—that JB’s lawyer was probably releasing things now, quickly, before a gag issue was ordered. I do wonder why they started with this video. Is it possible they don’t have what they say they have?

You mean is it possible JB side doesn't have more evidence?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, I think that based on Baldoni’s obsequiousness during the filming (He rolled over for her during the filming to avoid antagonizing her), Blake thought he would cower under threats and she would come out on top. Just because someone is deferential at the workplace in order to achieve their aims, does not mean they are fools who won’t fight back when you have them in a corner.

Isn't it a problem that he "rolled over" for her during filming though? It seems like he really mishandled his position during filming and that goes to her allegation that the set was unprofessionally run.

Being unprofessional isn't illegal and if he was unprofessional by showing too much deference, that hurts her claims overall.

Yeah, I don’t get how he was too accommodating and differential and also sexually harassed her.

My perception of the footage that has been released is that he is not accommodating or deferential, but he communicated poorly and was not direct or authoritative. It's not like he just lets her change the scene so they are talking the whole time -- he doesn't actually engage with her the way she's proposing. He just kind of ignores her suggestions and then argues with her and then goes ahead doing it his way with all the nuzzling/kissing (which only he does).

He just seems like a bad communicator and that will give rise to misunderstandings.

I didn’t see or hear them argue. You also left out where she touches his face. That part keeps being left out. She didn’t seem uncomfortable at all to me when she did this.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, I think that based on Baldoni’s obsequiousness during the filming (He rolled over for her during the filming to avoid antagonizing her), Blake thought he would cower under threats and she would come out on top. Just because someone is deferential at the workplace in order to achieve their aims, does not mean they are fools who won’t fight back when you have them in a corner.

Isn't it a problem that he "rolled over" for her during filming though? It seems like he really mishandled his position during filming and that goes to her allegation that the set was unprofessionally run.

Being unprofessional isn't illegal and if he was unprofessional by showing too much deference, that hurts her claims overall.

Yeah, I don’t get how he was too accommodating and differential and also sexually harassed her.

My perception of the footage that has been released is that he is not accommodating or deferential, but he communicated poorly and was not direct or authoritative. It's not like he just lets her change the scene so they are talking the whole time -- he doesn't actually engage with her the way she's proposing. He just kind of ignores her suggestions and then argues with her and then goes ahead doing it his way with all the nuzzling/kissing (which only he does).

He just seems like a bad communicator and that will give rise to misunderstandings.

But not sexual harassment. Also, why didn’t she speak up. She never once said she was uncomfortable. Communication works both ways.

She says she has documentation of her raising these issues on several occasions prior to the break in filming during the strike, and then the January meeting where she says these issues were raised and Baldoni and Heath agreed to correct their behavior.

We'll see if the evidence backs that up but she is claiming she raised concerns about feeling uncomfortable on the set and wanting an IC present in numerous occasions.

This was shot in May 2023. But my point is that she didn’t raise any objections in this 10 minute footage. He may not have been communicating great, but she doesn’t seem to be either. The burden should be on both of them to communicate. Also, he laid out what he wanted in the scene. She laid out why she thought it would be more romantic to have them talking, and it seems like they met in the middle. With some moments of them not talking and some moments of them talking. It seems like they both communicated what they wanted if she felt differently, she really needed to speak up.

She did speak up when he said "it smells good." She immediately straightens up and tells him she was talking about her body makeup. It's very clear in context that she did not like what he said and felt it crossed a line.

Saying someone smells good crosses a line and is sexual harassment? lol. This is beyond outlandish. You all are not real people. This is all absurd.

He didn’t even say that. He clearly says it smells good. Referencing her body makeup. Or spray tan or whatever the F she was wearing.

He was trying to deflect an awkward situation. She was doing the same thing when he apologized for his beard, she deflected by saying that’s OK sorry if you can smell my body spray or whatever. They were both trying to make the best of an awkward situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow Blake and Ryan filed a letter in court asking the judge to gag Baldoni’s lawyer and stop him from talking to the media. Who is giving them this advice? Amazing.

Someone predicted this would happen a few pages ago—that JB’s lawyer was probably releasing things now, quickly, before a gag issue was ordered. I do wonder why they started with this video. Is it possible they don’t have what they say they have?

You mean is it possible JB side doesn't have more evidence?

That seems to be what PP is implying, but that seems ridiculous. You don't cite tons of evidence in a claim and then push to have it made public if doesn't exist or doesn't serve to exonerate you. Just boneheaded logic there.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow Blake and Ryan filed a letter in court asking the judge to gag Baldoni’s lawyer and stop him from talking to the media. Who is giving them this advice? Amazing.

Someone predicted this would happen a few pages ago—that JB’s lawyer was probably releasing things now, quickly, before a gag issue was ordered. I do wonder why they started with this video. Is it possible they don’t have what they say they have?

It is going to be hard to get a gag order when she released hundreds of texts to the NYTimes.

Gag orders are not the easiest to win as it is. The website threat is kind of pushing it though. The judge isn't going to be happy how either handled it

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Does anyone think the gag order is because of the website?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, I think that based on Baldoni’s obsequiousness during the filming (He rolled over for her during the filming to avoid antagonizing her), Blake thought he would cower under threats and she would come out on top. Just because someone is deferential at the workplace in order to achieve their aims, does not mean they are fools who won’t fight back when you have them in a corner.

Isn't it a problem that he "rolled over" for her during filming though? It seems like he really mishandled his position during filming and that goes to her allegation that the set was unprofessionally run.

Being unprofessional isn't illegal and if he was unprofessional by showing too much deference, that hurts her claims overall.

Yeah, I don’t get how he was too accommodating and differential and also sexually harassed her.

My perception of the footage that has been released is that he is not accommodating or deferential, but he communicated poorly and was not direct or authoritative. It's not like he just lets her change the scene so they are talking the whole time -- he doesn't actually engage with her the way she's proposing. He just kind of ignores her suggestions and then argues with her and then goes ahead doing it his way with all the nuzzling/kissing (which only he does).

He just seems like a bad communicator and that will give rise to misunderstandings.

But not sexual harassment. Also, why didn’t she speak up. She never once said she was uncomfortable. Communication works both ways.

She says she has documentation of her raising these issues on several occasions prior to the break in filming during the strike, and then the January meeting where she says these issues were raised and Baldoni and Heath agreed to correct their behavior.

We'll see if the evidence backs that up but she is claiming she raised concerns about feeling uncomfortable on the set and wanting an IC present in numerous occasions.

This was shot in May 2023. But my point is that she didn’t raise any objections in this 10 minute footage. He may not have been communicating great, but she doesn’t seem to be either. The burden should be on both of them to communicate. Also, he laid out what he wanted in the scene. She laid out why she thought it would be more romantic to have them talking, and it seems like they met in the middle. With some moments of them not talking and some moments of them talking. It seems like they both communicated what they wanted if she felt differently, she really needed to speak up.

She did speak up when he said "it smells good." She immediately straightens up and tells him she was talking about her body makeup. It's very clear in context that she did not like what he said and felt it crossed a line.

Saying someone smells good crosses a line and is sexual harassment? lol. This is beyond outlandish. You all are not real people. This is all absurd.

It’s either a troll or Blake pr. No real person could be this illogical, and also committed to posting endlessly on this thread. It doesn’t matter, in the real world, Blake’s case is toast and everyone knows it. Really curious how long it takes The NY Times to hit the escape hatch. And I think it will be a long long time before they publish another story about sexual harassment. We can thank Blake for that.

It's like 10:1 Baldoni posts to Blake posts but Baldoni's fan girls freak the eff out if they read one post that isn't completely in favor of him and cry about trolling

This. The post being criticized above is one where a poster demanded to know why Lively didn't speak up in the moment if she felt uncomfortable, in which a person just point out, factually, that the footage shows Lively speaking up in the moment about Baldoni's "it smells good" comment, presumable because she felt uncomfortable.

At no point does the comment say "this is sexual harassment" or "Lively is right about everything." It's just factual information in response to a question someone posed.

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Do people think Blake also lied to Ryan or he is in on the scheme?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, I think that based on Baldoni’s obsequiousness during the filming (He rolled over for her during the filming to avoid antagonizing her), Blake thought he would cower under threats and she would come out on top. Just because someone is deferential at the workplace in order to achieve their aims, does not mean they are fools who won’t fight back when you have them in a corner.

Isn't it a problem that he "rolled over" for her during filming though? It seems like he really mishandled his position during filming and that goes to her allegation that the set was unprofessionally run.

Being unprofessional isn't illegal and if he was unprofessional by showing too much deference, that hurts her claims overall.

Yeah, I don’t get how he was too accommodating and differential and also sexually harassed her.

My perception of the footage that has been released is that he is not accommodating or deferential, but he communicated poorly and was not direct or authoritative. It's not like he just lets her change the scene so they are talking the whole time -- he doesn't actually engage with her the way she's proposing. He just kind of ignores her suggestions and then argues with her and then goes ahead doing it his way with all the nuzzling/kissing (which only he does).

He just seems like a bad communicator and that will give rise to misunderstandings.

But not sexual harassment. Also, why didn’t she speak up. She never once said she was uncomfortable. Communication works both ways.

She says she has documentation of her raising these issues on several occasions prior to the break in filming during the strike, and then the January meeting where she says these issues were raised and Baldoni and Heath agreed to correct their behavior.

We'll see if the evidence backs that up but she is claiming she raised concerns about feeling uncomfortable on the set and wanting an IC present in numerous occasions.

This was shot in May 2023. But my point is that she didn’t raise any objections in this 10 minute footage. He may not have been communicating great, but she doesn’t seem to be either. The burden should be on both of them to communicate. Also, he laid out what he wanted in the scene. She laid out why she thought it would be more romantic to have them talking, and it seems like they met in the middle. With some moments of them not talking and some moments of them talking. It seems like they both communicated what they wanted if she felt differently, she really needed to speak up.

She did speak up when he said "it smells good." She immediately straightens up and tells him she was talking about her body makeup. It's very clear in context that she did not like what he said and felt it crossed a line.

Saying someone smells good crosses a line and is sexual harassment? lol. This is beyond outlandish. You all are not real people. This is all absurd.

It’s either a troll or Blake pr. No real person could be this illogical, and also committed to posting endlessly on this thread. It doesn’t matter, in the real world, Blake’s case is toast and everyone knows it. Really curious how long it takes The NY Times to hit the escape hatch. And I think it will be a long long time before they publish another story about sexual harassment. We can thank Blake for that.

NP. Way to shift the goal posts. PP says she should have spoken up, so someone points out that she did... now it's "that alone is SH, you must be a troll!" No. PP was pointing out that she did speak up, making it clear she was uncomfortable. If this kind of interaction happened once, it would 100% not be SH. If over and over again he did this and every time she tried to put a stop to it? Of course it would be. Note that I'm not saying that happened, because I have no idea. But my take on this scene is that Blake is clearly uncomfortable from the get go, constantly tries to ramp down the physical/sexual parts of the scene and, when he oversteps line, pushes back. I can absolutely see how your boss doing this repeatedly would create a hostile environment.

Exactly. No one, including Blake Lively, is claiming that Baldoni's behavior in this scene constitutes "harassment."

Her complaint alleges that there were a series of unprofessional, boundary violating behaviors that led Lively to request Baldoni and Wayfarer to agree to a code of conduct before she returned to the set post strike. They did agree, and she returned to the set. Separately, Baldoni hired a PR agency during promotion of the movie to astroturf online message boards and fan sites with negative info about Lively, which she claims is retaliation for her complaining during filming about his behavior.

You can't disprove her entire cause of action by showing a few minutes of footage and saying "see, it looks like she's enjoying it." Especially when to many people, it does NOT look like she's enjoying it, and the footage includes an exchange that is describe accurately in her complaint, in which she felt he crossed a line, and spoke up about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, I think that based on Baldoni’s obsequiousness during the filming (He rolled over for her during the filming to avoid antagonizing her), Blake thought he would cower under threats and she would come out on top. Just because someone is deferential at the workplace in order to achieve their aims, does not mean they are fools who won’t fight back when you have them in a corner.

Isn't it a problem that he "rolled over" for her during filming though? It seems like he really mishandled his position during filming and that goes to her allegation that the set was unprofessionally run.

Being unprofessional isn't illegal and if he was unprofessional by showing too much deference, that hurts her claims overall.

Yeah, I don’t get how he was too accommodating and differential and also sexually harassed her.

My perception of the footage that has been released is that he is not accommodating or deferential, but he communicated poorly and was not direct or authoritative. It's not like he just lets her change the scene so they are talking the whole time -- he doesn't actually engage with her the way she's proposing. He just kind of ignores her suggestions and then argues with her and then goes ahead doing it his way with all the nuzzling/kissing (which only he does).

He just seems like a bad communicator and that will give rise to misunderstandings.

But not sexual harassment. Also, why didn’t she speak up. She never once said she was uncomfortable. Communication works both ways.

She says she has documentation of her raising these issues on several occasions prior to the break in filming during the strike, and then the January meeting where she says these issues were raised and Baldoni and Heath agreed to correct their behavior.

We'll see if the evidence backs that up but she is claiming she raised concerns about feeling uncomfortable on the set and wanting an IC present in numerous occasions.

This was shot in May 2023. But my point is that she didn’t raise any objections in this 10 minute footage. He may not have been communicating great, but she doesn’t seem to be either. The burden should be on both of them to communicate. Also, he laid out what he wanted in the scene. She laid out why she thought it would be more romantic to have them talking, and it seems like they met in the middle. With some moments of them not talking and some moments of them talking. It seems like they both communicated what they wanted if she felt differently, she really needed to speak up.

She did speak up when he said "it smells good." She immediately straightens up and tells him she was talking about her body makeup. It's very clear in context that she did not like what he said and felt it crossed a line.

Saying someone smells good crosses a line and is sexual harassment? lol. This is beyond outlandish. You all are not real people. This is all absurd.

It’s either a troll or Blake pr. No real person could be this illogical, and also committed to posting endlessly on this thread. It doesn’t matter, in the real world, Blake’s case is toast and everyone knows it. Really curious how long it takes The NY Times to hit the escape hatch. And I think it will be a long long time before they publish another story about sexual harassment. We can thank Blake for that.

NP. Way to shift the goal posts. PP says she should have spoken up, so someone points out that she did... now it's "that alone is SH, you must be a troll!" No. PP was pointing out that she did speak up, making it clear she was uncomfortable. If this kind of interaction happened once, it would 100% not be SH. If over and over again he did this and every time she tried to put a stop to it? Of course it would be. Note that I'm not saying that happened, because I have no idea. But my take on this scene is that Blake is clearly uncomfortable from the get go, constantly tries to ramp down the physical/sexual parts of the scene and, when he oversteps line, pushes back. I can absolutely see how your boss doing this repeatedly would create a hostile environment.

Exactly. No one, including Blake Lively, is claiming that Baldoni's behavior in this scene constitutes "harassment."

Her complaint alleges that there were a series of unprofessional, boundary violating behaviors that led Lively to request Baldoni and Wayfarer to agree to a code of conduct before she returned to the set post strike. They did agree, and she returned to the set. Separately, Baldoni hired a PR agency during promotion of the movie to astroturf online message boards and fan sites with negative info about Lively, which she claims is retaliation for her complaining during filming about his behavior.

You can't disprove her entire cause of action by showing a few minutes of footage and saying "see, it looks like she's enjoying it." Especially when to many people, it does NOT look like she's enjoying it, and the footage includes an exchange that is describe accurately in her complaint, in which she felt he crossed a line, and spoke up about it.

So now you are saying she didn’t accuse him of sexual harassment? Now it’s all about “boundary-violating behaviors”?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, I think that based on Baldoni’s obsequiousness during the filming (He rolled over for her during the filming to avoid antagonizing her), Blake thought he would cower under threats and she would come out on top. Just because someone is deferential at the workplace in order to achieve their aims, does not mean they are fools who won’t fight back when you have them in a corner.

Isn't it a problem that he "rolled over" for her during filming though? It seems like he really mishandled his position during filming and that goes to her allegation that the set was unprofessionally run.

Being unprofessional isn't illegal and if he was unprofessional by showing too much deference, that hurts her claims overall.

Yeah, I don’t get how he was too accommodating and differential and also sexually harassed her.

My perception of the footage that has been released is that he is not accommodating or deferential, but he communicated poorly and was not direct or authoritative. It's not like he just lets her change the scene so they are talking the whole time -- he doesn't actually engage with her the way she's proposing. He just kind of ignores her suggestions and then argues with her and then goes ahead doing it his way with all the nuzzling/kissing (which only he does).

He just seems like a bad communicator and that will give rise to misunderstandings.

But not sexual harassment. Also, why didn’t she speak up. She never once said she was uncomfortable. Communication works both ways.

She says she has documentation of her raising these issues on several occasions prior to the break in filming during the strike, and then the January meeting where she says these issues were raised and Baldoni and Heath agreed to correct their behavior.

We'll see if the evidence backs that up but she is claiming she raised concerns about feeling uncomfortable on the set and wanting an IC present in numerous occasions.

This was shot in May 2023. But my point is that she didn’t raise any objections in this 10 minute footage. He may not have been communicating great, but she doesn’t seem to be either. The burden should be on both of them to communicate. Also, he laid out what he wanted in the scene. She laid out why she thought it would be more romantic to have them talking, and it seems like they met in the middle. With some moments of them not talking and some moments of them talking. It seems like they both communicated what they wanted if she felt differently, she really needed to speak up.

She did speak up when he said "it smells good." She immediately straightens up and tells him she was talking about her body makeup. It's very clear in context that she did not like what he said and felt it crossed a line.

Saying someone smells good crosses a line and is sexual harassment? lol. This is beyond outlandish. You all are not real people. This is all absurd.

It’s either a troll or Blake pr. No real person could be this illogical, and also committed to posting endlessly on this thread. It doesn’t matter, in the real world, Blake’s case is toast and everyone knows it. Really curious how long it takes The NY Times to hit the escape hatch. And I think it will be a long long time before they publish another story about sexual harassment. We can thank Blake for that.

NP. Way to shift the goal posts. PP says she should have spoken up, so someone points out that she did... now it's "that alone is SH, you must be a troll!" No. PP was pointing out that she did speak up, making it clear she was uncomfortable. If this kind of interaction happened once, it would 100% not be SH. If over and over again he did this and every time she tried to put a stop to it? Of course it would be. Note that I'm not saying that happened, because I have no idea. But my take on this scene is that Blake is clearly uncomfortable from the get go, constantly tries to ramp down the physical/sexual parts of the scene and, when he oversteps line, pushes back. I can absolutely see how your boss doing this repeatedly would create a hostile environment.

Exactly. No one, including Blake Lively, is claiming that Baldoni's behavior in this scene constitutes "harassment."

Her complaint alleges that there were a series of unprofessional, boundary violating behaviors that led Lively to request Baldoni and Wayfarer to agree to a code of conduct before she returned to the set post strike. They did agree, and she returned to the set. Separately, Baldoni hired a PR agency during promotion of the movie to astroturf online message boards and fan sites with negative info about Lively, which she claims is retaliation for her complaining during filming about his behavior.

You can't disprove her entire cause of action by showing a few minutes of footage and saying "see, it looks like she's enjoying it." Especially when to many people, it does NOT look like she's enjoying it, and the footage includes an exchange that is describe accurately in her complaint, in which she felt he crossed a line, and spoke up about it.

Her cause of action is “he crossed my boundary” and yet Baldoni’s team’s point by point refutation is nothing?

“Many people” think she’s “NOT” enjoying it?

Hmmm.