NPS: Ban Cars Now in DC Urban Parks

[Anonymous]

Much more should be open for car traffic. More lanes could easily be added through Rock Creek Park and that would cut down on delay.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should these parks be open to bikes either? A bike is just another type of vehicle. If you’re going to shut out cars, the. It makes zero sense to allow bikes. Either enjoy the park on foot, or don’t come.

This is exactly how the Department of Interior operates. National Parks and Forests allow both cars and bikes (some National Forests have logging roads that are closed to cars but bikes can pass but that is because they are not maintained and not safe for cars). Wilderness Areas allow neither cars nor bikes.

Obviously, Hains Point is not a wilderness area. It’s an urban park, and historically it’s used heavily by bikers. But the current situation is untenably focused around cars. It’s even worse for pedestrians.

Hains Point is part of East Potomac Park which is a National Park that forms part of the National Mall and Memorial Parks administrative unit managed by the National Parks Service. Putting all of that aside, it is also not an "urban park" by any stretch of the imagination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why should these parks be open to bikes either? A bike is just another type of vehicle. If you’re going to shut out cars, the. It makes zero sense to allow bikes. Either enjoy the park on foot, or don’t come.

This is exactly how the Department of Interior operates. National Parks and Forests allow both cars and bikes (some National Forests have logging roads that are closed to cars but bikes can pass but that is because they are not maintained and not safe for cars). Wilderness Areas allow neither cars nor bikes.

Obviously, Hains Point is not a wilderness area. It’s an urban park, and historically it’s used heavily by bikers. But the current situation is untenably focused around cars. It’s even worse for pedestrians.

Don't try and claim that you care about pedestrians. Pedestrians need cars to get there. If you want to make it safer for pedestrians then ban bikes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why should these parks be open to bikes either? A bike is just another type of vehicle. If you’re going to shut out cars, the. It makes zero sense to allow bikes. Either enjoy the park on foot, or don’t come.

This is exactly how the Department of Interior operates. National Parks and Forests allow both cars and bikes (some National Forests have logging roads that are closed to cars but bikes can pass but that is because they are not maintained and not safe for cars). Wilderness Areas allow neither cars nor bikes.

Obviously, Hains Point is not a wilderness area. It’s an urban park, and historically it’s used heavily by bikers. But the current situation is untenably focused around cars. It’s even worse for pedestrians.

Don't try and claim that you care about pedestrians. Pedestrians need cars to get there. If you want to make it safer for pedestrians then ban bikes.

there’s nowhere for pedestrians or bikes. rethinking the use of space doesn’t mean getting rid of parking. It means making space for pedestrians and bikes. and nobody should be driving around Haines Point at any speed greater than 15mph.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should these parks be open to bikes either? A bike is just another type of vehicle. If you’re going to shut out cars, the. It makes zero sense to allow bikes. Either enjoy the park on foot, or don’t come.

This is exactly how the Department of Interior operates. National Parks and Forests allow both cars and bikes (some National Forests have logging roads that are closed to cars but bikes can pass but that is because they are not maintained and not safe for cars). Wilderness Areas allow neither cars nor bikes.

Obviously, Hains Point is not a wilderness area. It’s an urban park, and historically it’s used heavily by bikers. But the current situation is untenably focused around cars. It’s even worse for pedestrians.

Don't try and claim that you care about pedestrians. Pedestrians need cars to get there. If you want to make it safer for pedestrians then ban bikes.

there’s nowhere for pedestrians or bikes. rethinking the use of space doesn’t mean getting rid of parking. It means making space for pedestrians and bikes. and nobody should be driving around Haines Point at any speed greater than 15mph.

Ok, bicycling boomer. All of yall should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to use a tragic death to get rid of those pesky pedestrians.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should these parks be open to bikes either? A bike is just another type of vehicle. If you’re going to shut out cars, the. It makes zero sense to allow bikes. Either enjoy the park on foot, or don’t come.

This is exactly how the Department of Interior operates. National Parks and Forests allow both cars and bikes (some National Forests have logging roads that are closed to cars but bikes can pass but that is because they are not maintained and not safe for cars). Wilderness Areas allow neither cars nor bikes.

Obviously, Hains Point is not a wilderness area. It’s an urban park, and historically it’s used heavily by bikers. But the current situation is untenably focused around cars. It’s even worse for pedestrians.

Don't try and claim that you care about pedestrians. Pedestrians need cars to get there. If you want to make it safer for pedestrians then ban bikes.

there’s nowhere for pedestrians or bikes. rethinking the use of space doesn’t mean getting rid of parking. It means making space for pedestrians and bikes. and nobody should be driving around Haines Point at any speed greater than 15mph.

Ok, bicycling boomer. All of yall should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to use a tragic death to get rid of those pesky pedestrians.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say. Neither bikes nor pedestrians have a dedicated space right now on long stretches of roadway. It’s not a good situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should these parks be open to bikes either? A bike is just another type of vehicle. If you’re going to shut out cars, the. It makes zero sense to allow bikes. Either enjoy the park on foot, or don’t come.

This is exactly how the Department of Interior operates. National Parks and Forests allow both cars and bikes (some National Forests have logging roads that are closed to cars but bikes can pass but that is because they are not maintained and not safe for cars). Wilderness Areas allow neither cars nor bikes.

Obviously, Hains Point is not a wilderness area. It’s an urban park, and historically it’s used heavily by bikers. But the current situation is untenably focused around cars. It’s even worse for pedestrians.

Don't try and claim that you care about pedestrians. Pedestrians need cars to get there. If you want to make it safer for pedestrians then ban bikes.

there’s nowhere for pedestrians or bikes. rethinking the use of space doesn’t mean getting rid of parking. It means making space for pedestrians and bikes. and nobody should be driving around Haines Point at any speed greater than 15mph.

Ok, bicycling boomer. All of yall should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to use a tragic death to get rid of those pesky pedestrians.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say. Neither bikes nor pedestrians have a dedicated space right now on long stretches of roadway. It’s not a good situation.

How is there no dedicated space for pedestrians? There is literally a pedestrian path that circles the entire edge of the island.

[Anonymous]

“No place for pedestrians”

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Anonymous wrote:Why should these parks be open to bikes either? A bike is just another type of vehicle. If you’re going to shut out cars, the. It makes zero sense to allow bikes. Either enjoy the park on foot, or don’t come.

This is exactly how the Department of Interior operates. National Parks and Forests allow both cars and bikes (some National Forests have logging roads that are closed to cars but bikes can pass but that is because they are not maintained and not safe for cars). Wilderness Areas allow neither cars nor bikes.

Obviously, Hains Point is not a wilderness area. It’s an urban park, and historically it’s used heavily by bikers. But the current situation is untenably focused around cars. It’s even worse for pedestrians.

Don't try and claim that you care about pedestrians. Pedestrians need cars to get there. If you want to make it safer for pedestrians then ban bikes.

there’s nowhere for pedestrians or bikes. rethinking the use of space doesn’t mean getting rid of parking. It means making space for pedestrians and bikes. and nobody should be driving around Haines Point at any speed greater than 15mph.

Ok, bicycling boomer. All of yall should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to use a tragic death to get rid of those pesky pedestrians.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say. Neither bikes nor pedestrians have a dedicated space right now on long stretches of roadway. It’s not a good situation.

How is there no dedicated space for pedestrians? There is literally a pedestrian path that circles the entire edge of the island.

Ok, I think you should be disqualified from this thread. The pedestrian path is almost completely destroyed in places due to erosion of the sea wall. You're not even supposed to walk on there at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should these parks be open to bikes either? A bike is just another type of vehicle. If you’re going to shut out cars, the. It makes zero sense to allow bikes. Either enjoy the park on foot, or don’t come.

This is exactly how the Department of Interior operates. National Parks and Forests allow both cars and bikes (some National Forests have logging roads that are closed to cars but bikes can pass but that is because they are not maintained and not safe for cars). Wilderness Areas allow neither cars nor bikes.

Obviously, Hains Point is not a wilderness area. It’s an urban park, and historically it’s used heavily by bikers. But the current situation is untenably focused around cars. It’s even worse for pedestrians.

Don't try and claim that you care about pedestrians. Pedestrians need cars to get there. If you want to make it safer for pedestrians then ban bikes.

there’s nowhere for pedestrians or bikes. rethinking the use of space doesn’t mean getting rid of parking. It means making space for pedestrians and bikes. and nobody should be driving around Haines Point at any speed greater than 15mph.

Ok, bicycling boomer. All of yall should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to use a tragic death to get rid of those pesky pedestrians.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say. Neither bikes nor pedestrians have a dedicated space right now on long stretches of roadway. It’s not a good situation.

How is there no dedicated space for pedestrians? There is literally a pedestrian path that circles the entire edge of the island.

Ok, I think you should be disqualified from this thread. The pedestrian path is almost completely destroyed in places due to erosion of the sea wall. You're not even supposed to walk on there at all.

Also - even if it was in good repair, the road needs to have biking infrastructure of some kind added to it. It's 2021.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should these parks be open to bikes either? A bike is just another type of vehicle. If you’re going to shut out cars, the. It makes zero sense to allow bikes. Either enjoy the park on foot, or don’t come.

This is exactly how the Department of Interior operates. National Parks and Forests allow both cars and bikes (some National Forests have logging roads that are closed to cars but bikes can pass but that is because they are not maintained and not safe for cars). Wilderness Areas allow neither cars nor bikes.

Obviously, Hains Point is not a wilderness area. It’s an urban park, and historically it’s used heavily by bikers. But the current situation is untenably focused around cars. It’s even worse for pedestrians.

Don't try and claim that you care about pedestrians. Pedestrians need cars to get there. If you want to make it safer for pedestrians then ban bikes.

there’s nowhere for pedestrians or bikes. rethinking the use of space doesn’t mean getting rid of parking. It means making space for pedestrians and bikes. and nobody should be driving around Haines Point at any speed greater than 15mph.

Ok, bicycling boomer. All of yall should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to use a tragic death to get rid of those pesky pedestrians.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say. Neither bikes nor pedestrians have a dedicated space right now on long stretches of roadway. It’s not a good situation.

Im trying to say that maybe you should focus on getting the tidal basin etc shored up so that they pathway is usable again instead of trying to get rid of pedestrians under the guise of protecting them. Maybe work to benefit everyone instead of just bicyclists.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should these parks be open to bikes either? A bike is just another type of vehicle. If you’re going to shut out cars, the. It makes zero sense to allow bikes. Either enjoy the park on foot, or don’t come.

This is exactly how the Department of Interior operates. National Parks and Forests allow both cars and bikes (some National Forests have logging roads that are closed to cars but bikes can pass but that is because they are not maintained and not safe for cars). Wilderness Areas allow neither cars nor bikes.

Obviously, Hains Point is not a wilderness area. It’s an urban park, and historically it’s used heavily by bikers. But the current situation is untenably focused around cars. It’s even worse for pedestrians.

Don't try and claim that you care about pedestrians. Pedestrians need cars to get there. If you want to make it safer for pedestrians then ban bikes.

there’s nowhere for pedestrians or bikes. rethinking the use of space doesn’t mean getting rid of parking. It means making space for pedestrians and bikes. and nobody should be driving around Haines Point at any speed greater than 15mph.

Ok, bicycling boomer. All of yall should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to use a tragic death to get rid of those pesky pedestrians.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say. Neither bikes nor pedestrians have a dedicated space right now on long stretches of roadway. It’s not a good situation.

How is there no dedicated space for pedestrians? There is literally a pedestrian path that circles the entire edge of the island.

It, like the Tidal Basin, constantly floods and desparately needs engineering work. So what happens is that everyone has to use the road

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why should these parks be open to bikes either? A bike is just another type of vehicle. If you’re going to shut out cars, the. It makes zero sense to allow bikes. Either enjoy the park on foot, or don’t come.

This is exactly how the Department of Interior operates. National Parks and Forests allow both cars and bikes (some National Forests have logging roads that are closed to cars but bikes can pass but that is because they are not maintained and not safe for cars). Wilderness Areas allow neither cars nor bikes.

Obviously, Hains Point is not a wilderness area. It’s an urban park, and historically it’s used heavily by bikers. But the current situation is untenably focused around cars. It’s even worse for pedestrians.

Hains Point is part of East Potomac Park which is a National Park that forms part of the National Mall and Memorial Parks administrative unit managed by the National Parks Service. Putting all of that aside, it is also not an "urban park" by any stretch of the imagination.

it’s in the middle of a major urban area. it’s an urban park.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why should these parks be open to bikes either? A bike is just another type of vehicle. If you’re going to shut out cars, the. It makes zero sense to allow bikes. Either enjoy the park on foot, or don’t come.

This is exactly how the Department of Interior operates. National Parks and Forests allow both cars and bikes (some National Forests have logging roads that are closed to cars but bikes can pass but that is because they are not maintained and not safe for cars). Wilderness Areas allow neither cars nor bikes.

Obviously, Hains Point is not a wilderness area. It’s an urban park, and historically it’s used heavily by bikers. But the current situation is untenably focused around cars. It’s even worse for pedestrians.

Don't try and claim that you care about pedestrians. Pedestrians need cars to get there. If you want to make it safer for pedestrians then ban bikes.

there’s nowhere for pedestrians or bikes. rethinking the use of space doesn’t mean getting rid of parking. It means making space for pedestrians and bikes. and nobody should be driving around Haines Point at any speed greater than 15mph.

Ok, bicycling boomer. All of yall should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to use a tragic death to get rid of those pesky pedestrians.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say. Neither bikes nor pedestrians have a dedicated space right now on long stretches of roadway. It’s not a good situation.

Im trying to say that maybe you should focus on getting the tidal basin etc shored up so that they pathway is usable again instead of trying to get rid of pedestrians under the guise of protecting them. Maybe work to benefit everyone instead of just bicyclists.

where are you getting that weird thing about pedestrians. I think they need to update the infrastructure to create areas for bikes and pedestrians and minimize cars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why should these parks be open to bikes either? A bike is just another type of vehicle. If you’re going to shut out cars, the. It makes zero sense to allow bikes. Either enjoy the park on foot, or don’t come.

This is exactly how the Department of Interior operates. National Parks and Forests allow both cars and bikes (some National Forests have logging roads that are closed to cars but bikes can pass but that is because they are not maintained and not safe for cars). Wilderness Areas allow neither cars nor bikes.

Obviously, Hains Point is not a wilderness area. It’s an urban park, and historically it’s used heavily by bikers. But the current situation is untenably focused around cars. It’s even worse for pedestrians.

Hains Point is part of East Potomac Park which is a National Park that forms part of the National Mall and Memorial Parks administrative unit managed by the National Parks Service. Putting all of that aside, it is also not an "urban park" by any stretch of the imagination.

it’s in the middle of a major urban area. it’s an urban park.

You mentioned that someone else should “disqualify” themselves from the thread. Looks like you need to as well.