How do you tell a child they life they knew is over?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It generally takes more than a year to see the DCUM doomsdayer's and inept panic mongerers get their comeuppance. That makes this thread such a welcome dose of "Told ya so".

~ Gratefully vaccinated mom with three thriving kids whose world is not "over".

Amen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But assuming everyone has access (accessible location, hours, etc.) to the vaccine now, then nobody is excluded unless they choose to not get the vaccine. And frankly, we're one variant away from schools shutting down again and vaccine resistance. People NEED to get vaccinated and if that takes carrots and sticks, then it's time for carrots and sticks. It doesn't matter if you've gotten sick or not, get the vaccine so we can all move on from this.

Outside of April 2020, school closures were a policy choice that we will look back on with horror.

Why should everyone get vaccinated regardless of whether they were sick with Sars Cov 2? What data supports this? How in the world do you know whether the data will support vaccinating healthy young children?

Because it doesn't hurt you to get it and is tested against variants. And I'll get my young children as soon as they're eligible, whether or not I am concerned about their individual risk (yes they get a flu shot annually, and yes I know the flu is riskier than COVID in young kids), because I trust it will be safe if/when it's approved and will help avoid and protect against new mutations. Trust science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But assuming everyone has access (accessible location, hours, etc.) to the vaccine now, then nobody is excluded unless they choose to not get the vaccine. And frankly, we're one variant away from schools shutting down again and vaccine resistance. People NEED to get vaccinated and if that takes carrots and sticks, then it's time for carrots and sticks. It doesn't matter if you've gotten sick or not, get the vaccine so we can all move on from this.

Outside of April 2020, school closures were a policy choice that we will look back on with horror.

Why should everyone get vaccinated regardless of whether they were sick with Sars Cov 2? What data supports this? How in the world do you know whether the data will support vaccinating healthy young children?

Because it doesn't hurt you to get it and is tested against variants. And I'll get my young children as soon as they're eligible, whether or not I am concerned about their individual risk (yes they get a flu shot annually, and yes I know the flu is riskier than COVID in young kids), because I trust it will be safe if/when it's approved and will help avoid and protect against new mutations. Trust science.

No data that says vaccine is superior to natural immunity. You have yet to cite one source.

I may allow my kids to get the Covid vaccine - they are always vaccinated against the flu. But not when it’s EUA. And will wait to see the risk/benefit.

There’s actually tons of data that vaccine-induced immunity is more robust and likely more long lasting than naturally acquired immunity. But I’m not your research assistant so I’m not going to dig up links.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huh? Haven't you been discussing it all along. Sounds like its a parenting issue.

She's 6. Explaining that her life is over is kinda tough, O Super Parent.

“Over” is a bit dramatic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD (6) thinks things will go back to normal soon. She obviously can't grasp the full impact of the situation yet, and thinks that one day she'll be able to see her grandparents, not a wear a mask, travel, hug friends, attend school. I've been very non-committal about the future because I don't want to negatively affect her mental health, but at some point she'll need to understand that things are different now and won't ever go back. I'm actually wondering if I'm doing her a disservice by putting it off, but I'm dreading it.

Anyway, how and when do you plan on having this conversation?

So many of us were delusionally pessimistic last year, it wasn't just OP.

But seriously, OP, you need to come back and tell us if your DD has seen her grandparents yet. Also, has she traveled anywhere, has she hugged a friend yet? We deserve an update since so many of us participated in what became a 25 page thread.

[Anonymous]

No data that says vaccine is superior to natural immunity. You have yet to cite one source.

I may allow my kids to get the Covid vaccine - they are always vaccinated against the flu. But not when it’s EUA. And will wait to see the risk/benefit.


There’s actually tons of data that vaccine-induced immunity is more robust and likely more long lasting than naturally acquired immunity. But I’m not your research assistant so I’m not going to dig up links.

Nice try. https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1346855/retrieve

“To conclude, available tests and current knowledge do not tell us about the duration of immunity and protection against reinfection,
but recent evidence suggests that natural infection may provide similar protection against symptomatic disease as vaccination, at
least for the available follow up period.33 The emergence of variants of concern poses challenges and their potential to evade
immunity elicited by either natural infection or by vaccination, needs to be closely monitored.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255670v1
“ Vaccination was highly effective with overall estimated efficacy for documented infection of 92·8% (CI:[92·6, 93·0]); hospitalization 94·2% (CI:[93·6, 94·7]); severe illness 94·4% (CI:[93·6, 95·0]); and death 93·7% (CI:[92·5, 94·7]). Similarly, the overall estimated level of protection from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection for documented infection is 94·8% (CI:[94·4, 95·1]); hospitalization 94·1% (CI:[91·9, 95·7]); and severe illness 96·4% (CI:[92·5, 98·3]). Our results question the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals.”

[Anonymous]

Why on earth would you want to contract covid versus getting the shot?? They still don’t know enough about long term issues and effects of having even mild cases of covid. Dear god.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to contract covid versus getting the shot?? They still don’t know enough about long term issues and effects of having even mild cases of covid. Dear god.

PP here. I am fully vaccinated. My point is that people who have had Sars Cov 2 have comparable immunity and should not be excluded through the usenof vaccine passports / signage that allows only vaccinated to unmask.

[Anonymous]

But we want our new normal 😢😡😷😭

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread didn’t age well, lol

You sure? I guess we'll wait and see what new restrictions Biden announces tomorrow, huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It won’t ever go back? Are you this dramatic in real life? Life will eventually go back to normal. That’s how you explain it.

It won’t. The half-life of antibodies is 36 days. There will never be an effective vaccine.

Oh geez. You have no idea what you are talking about. The half life is a lot longer for some people. And the vaccine are creating T cell responses. And people have B cell. You are either a troll or really dumb. I vote troll.

Boom! I love when I am right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It won’t ever go back? Are you this dramatic in real life? Life will eventually go back to normal. That’s how you explain it.

It won’t. The half-life of antibodies is 36 days. There will never be an effective vaccine.

Oh geez. You have no idea what you are talking about. The half life is a lot longer for some people. And the vaccine are creating T cell responses. And people have B cell. You are either a troll or really dumb. I vote troll.

Boom! I love when I am right.

Hilarious that these people though the vaccine would be the end of restrictions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It won’t ever go back? Are you this dramatic in real life? Life will eventually go back to normal. That’s how you explain it.

It won’t. The half-life of antibodies is 36 days. There will never be an effective vaccine.

Oh geez. You have no idea what you are talking about. The half life is a lot longer for some people. And the vaccine are creating T cell responses. And people have B cell. You are either a troll or really dumb. I vote troll.

Boom! I love when I am right.

Stay in your basement while we live our lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It won’t ever go back? Are you this dramatic in real life? Life will eventually go back to normal. That’s how you explain it.

It won’t. The half-life of antibodies is 36 days. There will never be an effective vaccine.

Oh geez. You have no idea what you are talking about. The half life is a lot longer for some people. And the vaccine are creating T cell responses. And people have B cell. You are either a troll or really dumb. I vote troll.

Boom! I love when I am right.

Hilarious that these people though the vaccine would be the end of restrictions.

Which restrictions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It won’t ever go back? Are you this dramatic in real life? Life will eventually go back to normal. That’s how you explain it.

It won’t. The half-life of antibodies is 36 days. There will never be an effective vaccine.

Oh geez. You have no idea what you are talking about. The half life is a lot longer for some people. And the vaccine are creating T cell responses. And people have B cell. You are either a troll or really dumb. I vote troll.

Boom! I love when I am right.

Stay in your basement while we live our lives.

What lives? Schools are still closed, shops are going out of business, and there are more masks than there were a year ago.