Allegedly there are several options for the fall none of which include being back full time?

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Anonymous wrote:Go to Rio in Gaithersburg MD the restaurants are packed with HS and College kids. It is outdoor but no one really social distancing - so why no school?

College kids usually aren’t in school by June.

In this area, seniors stop attending in May.

School is over on one week for K-11 anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Go to Rio in Gaithersburg MD the restaurants are packed with HS and College kids. It is outdoor but no one really social distancing - so why no school?

College kids usually aren’t in school by June.

In this area, seniors stop attending in May.

School is over on one week for K-11 anyway.

You missed the point the pp was making. They aren't distancing anyway so there is no reason for school not to start back in the fall.

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Anonymous wrote:Go to Rio in Gaithersburg MD the restaurants are packed with HS and College kids. It is outdoor but no one really social distancing - so why no school?

College kids usually aren’t in school by June.

In this area, seniors stop attending in May.

School is over on one week for K-11 anyway.

Talk about missing the point. JFC.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been patiently reading this debate on multiple treads by now. I have a question that I hope someone can give a meaningful answer. It seems some teachers would like to go back to school in the new academic year, but some teachers would first like to see some protocols in place because they say otherwise it is not safe for them. On the other hand, the vast majority of parents (even when one of the parents stay at home) want schools to open for all students. Now these parents are willing to send their kids to schools that some teachers argue not safe. Every night, the kids come back home from school. So if they pose a risk to teachers, shouldn't they pose a risk to their parents as well? Why do the parents think the risk is manageable, but some teachers think otherwise? Also since being a teacher is not a virtue people are born with, instead people become teachers after they are born, would those teachers change their mind on this issue if they were not teachers?

If you talk to lower income parents of color and I do since they are my neighbors and the parents of many of my students, they are worried about their kids bring coronavirus home. They just aren’t on DCUM to chime in on these posts.

I'd think for lower income families it's even more critical that kids go to school. Otherwise parents would have difficulty going to work. Also those kids would have very little out of school enrichment opportunities.

I get that you THINK that, but I’m telling you what people are saying to me. They are scared. Scared their kids will get “mildly” ill and they will miss work. Scared that they themselves will get ill and miss work. They are worried about doctors’ bills and hospital fees that they can’t afford. Scared that household member already in bad health will die. Some sublease housing illegally and are afraid that they might be kicked out if they or their kids get ill with COVID. It’s important to actually ask lower income people what they think rather than assuming you know what is best for them.

I work with low income families and they absolutely want - and need - schools to reopen. Yes, reopen with safety protocols I’m place, but schools reopening is not just about stability and enabling a parent to work, it’s also about education and socialization kids need. The prospect that parents working hourly pay jobs are taking off time to help kids navigate Zoom classes is absurd. What’s actually happening in many cases is parents leaving kids alone - often relatively young middle schoolers or older elementary schoolers who then watch younger kids in the home.

We’ve managed to keep Costcos open but somehow balk at reopening schools. Kids are not vectors for this disease. They hysteria needs to stop. School needs to start.

The low income parents aren’t taking time off work to help their kids with Zoom classes. Not blaming them. Just stating a fact. Often the MS or HS sibling is home babysitting or there’s an elderly relative. However, the kids are mostly home alone all day. And this is nothing new. What do you think poor kids do all summer? Do you really think their parents either take 10 weeks off unpaid or somehow can afford 2.5 months of day camp? All summer, I hear the kids in the apartment two doors down. They walk over to the ES up the hill for free lunch and then go right back inside to watch tv.

DP, did you read what the PP wrote? He/she stated the same and is arguing that for the reasons you’ve noted, continuing to keep schools closed hurts low income families and thier kids (it hurts ALL kids but especially this group). This a disaster for kids who don’t have parents who can endlessly work from home.

Do you think schools should run 12 months a year for all students? Because there are two and a half months each year that schools are closed and low income parents still need to work.

Summer vacation actually is very harmful to kids of very low income parents. For example-I grew up very poor and raised by a single parent. From the age of 7 I was left home alone every summer all day.

That's what these parents do. They leave their kids at home. I was an only child so I was actually alone but basically an entire sibling group is left home alone. Sometimes the oldest not even being 10 and responsible for babies/toddlers.

I now work with low income families and let me tell you-they leave their young kids home alone ALL THE TIME.

Which deflated the argument that closing schools is causing low income parents to lose time from work.

You're right, closing schools only turns the summer slide problem of neglected low-income kids into a year-round problem. Which is apparently fine with you.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been patiently reading this debate on multiple treads by now. I have a question that I hope someone can give a meaningful answer. It seems some teachers would like to go back to school in the new academic year, but some teachers would first like to see some protocols in place because they say otherwise it is not safe for them. On the other hand, the vast majority of parents (even when one of the parents stay at home) want schools to open for all students. Now these parents are willing to send their kids to schools that some teachers argue not safe. Every night, the kids come back home from school. So if they pose a risk to teachers, shouldn't they pose a risk to their parents as well? Why do the parents think the risk is manageable, but some teachers think otherwise? Also since being a teacher is not a virtue people are born with, instead people become teachers after they are born, would those teachers change their mind on this issue if they were not teachers?

If you talk to lower income parents of color and I do since they are my neighbors and the parents of many of my students, they are worried about their kids bring coronavirus home. They just aren’t on DCUM to chime in on these posts.

I'd think for lower income families it's even more critical that kids go to school. Otherwise parents would have difficulty going to work. Also those kids would have very little out of school enrichment opportunities.

I get that you THINK that, but I’m telling you what people are saying to me. They are scared. Scared their kids will get “mildly” ill and they will miss work. Scared that they themselves will get ill and miss work. They are worried about doctors’ bills and hospital fees that they can’t afford. Scared that household member already in bad health will die. Some sublease housing illegally and are afraid that they might be kicked out if they or their kids get ill with COVID. It’s important to actually ask lower income people what they think rather than assuming you know what is best for them.

I work with low income families and they absolutely want - and need - schools to reopen. Yes, reopen with safety protocols I’m place, but schools reopening is not just about stability and enabling a parent to work, it’s also about education and socialization kids need. The prospect that parents working hourly pay jobs are taking off time to help kids navigate Zoom classes is absurd. What’s actually happening in many cases is parents leaving kids alone - often relatively young middle schoolers or older elementary schoolers who then watch younger kids in the home.

We’ve managed to keep Costcos open but somehow balk at reopening schools. Kids are not vectors for this disease. They hysteria needs to stop. School needs to start.

The low income parents aren’t taking time off work to help their kids with Zoom classes. Not blaming them. Just stating a fact. Often the MS or HS sibling is home babysitting or there’s an elderly relative. However, the kids are mostly home alone all day. And this is nothing new. What do you think poor kids do all summer? Do you really think their parents either take 10 weeks off unpaid or somehow can afford 2.5 months of day camp? All summer, I hear the kids in the apartment two doors down. They walk over to the ES up the hill for free lunch and then go right back inside to watch tv.

DP, did you read what the PP wrote? He/she stated the same and is arguing that for the reasons you’ve noted, continuing to keep schools closed hurts low income families and thier kids (it hurts ALL kids but especially this group). This a disaster for kids who don’t have parents who can endlessly work from home.

Do you think schools should run 12 months a year for all students? Because there are two and a half months each year that schools are closed and low income parents still need to work.

Summer vacation actually is very harmful to kids of very low income parents. For example-I grew up very poor and raised by a single parent. From the age of 7 I was left home alone every summer all day.

That's what these parents do. They leave their kids at home. I was an only child so I was actually alone but basically an entire sibling group is left home alone. Sometimes the oldest not even being 10 and responsible for babies/toddlers.

I now work with low income families and let me tell you-they leave their young kids home alone ALL THE TIME.

Which deflated the argument that closing schools is causing low income parents to lose time from work.

You're right, closing schools only turns the summer slide problem of neglected low-income kids into a year-round problem. Which is apparently fine with you.

Exactly-like way to not get it. At least during the school year they are getting structure and supervision 6 hours a day. These kids have now been alone for months and now the summer and if school doesn't start normally in the fall-more months.

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Anonymous wrote:WHO just announced that asymptomatic spreading of CoronaVirus "Very Rare". This sure seems like it should be a part of the decision making process.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

Thank you for posting this. There have been similar results from different research organizations, but WHO announcing it is still important. This will be a game changer.

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Anonymous wrote:WHO just announced that asymptomatic spreading of CoronaVirus "Very Rare". This sure seems like it should be a part of the decision making process.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

Thank you for posting this. There have been similar results from different research organizations, but WHO announcing it is still important. This will be a game changer.

That's actually not what WHO announced. What WHO announced is that contact tracers traced most infections to people who eventually showed symptoms. If you infected somebody before you showed symptoms, and then you showed symptoms, you weren't asymptomatic, you were presymptomatic.

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Anonymous wrote:Go to Rio in Gaithersburg MD the restaurants are packed with HS and College kids. It is outdoor but no one really social distancing - so why no school?

College kids usually aren’t in school by June.

In this area, seniors stop attending in May.

School is over on one week for K-11 anyway.

You missed the point the pp was making. They aren't distancing anyway so there is no reason for school not to start back in the fall.

My daughter said only Average Joe’s had seating everywhere else long lines tonight! Heck NYC opened today so folks can ride subway to work but we can sit in a class room with a face mask on

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Anonymous wrote:WHO just announced that asymptomatic spreading of CoronaVirus "Very Rare". This sure seems like it should be a part of the decision making process.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

Thank you for posting this. There have been similar results from different research organizations, but WHO announcing it is still important. This will be a game changer.

That's actually not what WHO announced. What WHO announced is that contact tracers traced most infections to people who eventually showed symptoms. If you infected somebody before you showed symptoms, and then you showed symptoms, you weren't asymptomatic, you were presymptomatic.

Read it one more time. It literally says that both asymptomatic and presymptomatic infection is rare. Furthermore, we also know that majority of infected youth is asymptomatic.

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Anonymous wrote:WHO just announced that asymptomatic spreading of CoronaVirus "Very Rare". This sure seems like it should be a part of the decision making process.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

Thank you for posting this. There have been similar results from different research organizations, but WHO announcing it is still important. This will be a game changer.

That's actually not what WHO announced. What WHO announced is that contact tracers traced most infections to people who eventually showed symptoms. If you infected somebody before you showed symptoms, and then you showed symptoms, you weren't asymptomatic, you were presymptomatic.

Read it one more time. It literally says that both asymptomatic and presymptomatic infection is rare. Furthermore, we also know that majority of infected youth is asymptomatic.

No, that's what the CNBC report says. And there's a lot of dispute about it.

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Anonymous wrote:WHO just announced that asymptomatic spreading of CoronaVirus "Very Rare". This sure seems like it should be a part of the decision making process.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

Thank you for posting this. There have been similar results from different research organizations, but WHO announcing it is still important. This will be a game changer.

That's actually not what WHO announced. What WHO announced is that contact tracers traced most infections to people who eventually showed symptoms. If you infected somebody before you showed symptoms, and then you showed symptoms, you weren't asymptomatic, you were presymptomatic.

Read it one more time. It literally says that both asymptomatic and presymptomatic infection is rare. Furthermore, we also know that majority of infected youth is asymptomatic.

No, that's what the CNBC report says. And there's a lot of dispute about it.

You may dispute all you want. But WHO says that asymptomatic and presymptomatic infection is rare. The fact that WHO says this is an indisputable fact. This may not be what you want to hear, but WHO literally said it. Read the link.

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You all can carry on and argue till you are blue in the face but the reality is that we won’t know what is reasonable and feasible until August. I think it is wise and prudent for the schools to consider many different scenarios. My son’s college says they are opening as normal in the fall but that is only true until it isn’t. We’ll see when we get there and not one day sooner. Stop wasting your energy arguing about what may or may not happen and enjoy the day at your feet.

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Anonymous wrote:You all can carry on and argue till you are blue in the face but the reality is that we won’t know what is reasonable and feasible until August. I think it is wise and prudent for the schools to consider many different scenarios. My son’s college says they are opening as normal in the fall but that is only true until it isn’t. We’ll see when we get there and not one day sooner. Stop wasting your energy arguing about what may or may not happen and enjoy the day at your feet.

PP.. it doesn't work that way.. they have to.

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Anonymous wrote:Go to Rio in Gaithersburg MD the restaurants are packed with HS and College kids. It is outdoor but no one really social distancing - so why no school?

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Dude, schools are not outdoor, the are indoor. Unless you are in California.

When you are outside in the hot sunny weather the viral load has ZERO chance to make a dent.


Tha's why no school.

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MCPS cannot figure out summer school and let parents know, you really expect them to figure out next year.