Discussion Boundary Map out for APS- elementary schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

The chances of McKinley becoming choice and ATS becoming neighborhood are nil. ATS would not have a good walk zone.

Totally agree. But what happens if they move immersion to S Arlington, Key becomes neighborhood and those are the only changes made. You’ve just mad the seat deficit in S Arlington worse to give Clarendon/wealthy folks a neighborhood school. Right then and there they’d have to commit to a new neighborhood school in SA.

Many more changes and moves are on the table.

Regarding immersion, they could go with one robust program rather than two anemic ones, and/or they could scrap the second full program and put immersion classrooms in some schools. The IB program is slated to have an immersion component. Maybe that plus one full program would be enough to exhaust the demand from Spanish speaking families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

The chances of McKinley becoming choice and ATS becoming neighborhood are nil. ATS would not have a good walk zone.

Totally agree. But what happens if they move immersion to S Arlington, Key becomes neighborhood and those are the only changes made. You’ve just mad the seat deficit in S Arlington worse to give Clarendon/wealthy folks a neighborhood school. Right then and there they’d have to commit to a new neighborhood school in SA.

Many more changes and moves are on the table.

Regarding immersion, they could go with one robust program rather than two anemic ones, and/or they could scrap the second full program and put immersion classrooms in some schools. The IB program is slated to have an immersion component. Maybe that plus one full program would be enough to exhaust the demand from Spanish speaking families.

Current programs are not anemic. Give me a break.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

The chances of McKinley becoming choice and ATS becoming neighborhood are nil. ATS would not have a good walk zone.

Totally agree. But what happens if they move immersion to S Arlington, Key becomes neighborhood and those are the only changes made. You’ve just mad the seat deficit in S Arlington worse to give Clarendon/wealthy folks a neighborhood school. Right then and there they’d have to commit to a new neighborhood school in SA.

These decisions have nothing to do with given wealthy NA families what they want. It's simple math. This area near Key is one of most overcrowded for elem seats. Look at seat deficits. Key has to become neighborhood (in addition to ASFS) to simply address the seat deficits in this area. This one is easy for APS to defend and we all know they like easy. The smart plan that involved forward thinking and planning would have been to make The Heights the new elementary school but no one plans more than 1-2 years in the future which is why this problem exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

The chances of McKinley becoming choice and ATS becoming neighborhood are nil. ATS would not have a good walk zone.

Totally agree. But what happens if they move immersion to S Arlington, Key becomes neighborhood and those are the only changes made. You’ve just mad the seat deficit in S Arlington worse to give Clarendon/wealthy folks a neighborhood school. Right then and there they’d have to commit to a new neighborhood school in SA.

Many more changes and moves are on the table.

Regarding immersion, they could go with one robust program rather than two anemic ones, and/or they could scrap the second full program and put immersion classrooms in some schools. The IB program is slated to have an immersion component. Maybe that plus one full program would be enough to exhaust the demand from Spanish speaking families.

IPP calls for two full immersion programs plus another immersion program in a school. While I agree they should consider eliminating one of the immersion schools, I don't think they have any interest in doing so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

The chances of McKinley becoming choice and ATS becoming neighborhood are nil. ATS would not have a good walk zone.

Totally agree. But what happens if they move immersion to S Arlington, Key becomes neighborhood and those are the only changes made. You’ve just mad the seat deficit in S Arlington worse to give Clarendon/wealthy folks a neighborhood school. Right then and there they’d have to commit to a new neighborhood school in SA.

Many more changes and moves are on the table.

Regarding immersion, they could go with one robust program rather than two anemic ones, and/or they could scrap the second full program and put immersion classrooms in some schools. The IB program is slated to have an immersion component. Maybe that plus one full program would be enough to exhaust the demand from Spanish speaking families.

IPP calls for two full immersion programs plus another immersion program in a school. While I agree they should consider eliminating one of the immersion schools, I don't think they have any interest in doing so.

I agree that the IPP calls for two full programs, but the inability to fill both programs with 50% Spanish speakers should give them pause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

The chances of McKinley becoming choice and ATS becoming neighborhood are nil. ATS would not have a good walk zone.

Totally agree. But what happens if they move immersion to S Arlington, Key becomes neighborhood and those are the only changes made. You’ve just mad the seat deficit in S Arlington worse to give Clarendon/wealthy folks a neighborhood school. Right then and there they’d have to commit to a new neighborhood school in SA.

The seat deficit in S Arlington is purely theoretical at this point. If you look at the current number of students (including preschoolers) vs building capacity there are hundreds of open seats right now. There are even more if you take Claremont and Campbell out (and another immersion program in S Arlington would take some of Claremont's students). This is completely ignoring the obvious fact that zones can cross 50. Sorry about the formatting on the table, I can't figure out how to insert it properly. The first number is capacity, the second is actual Sept 2019 numbers, the third is over/under.

Abingdon 725 751 -26
Barcroft 460 450 10
Campbell 436 447 -11
Carlin Springs 585 645 -60
Claremont 599 741 -142
Drew 674 442 232
Fleet 752 637 115
Hoffman Boston 566 518 48
Oakridge 674 623 51

Total Overage 217
Total Overage w/o Option 370

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

I seriously doubt ATS is slated for any sort of expansion given the IPP. If anything, it will be phased out

When neighborhood seats are at a serious deficit, and most people want to go to school near where they live, you don't take one of the largest available buildings and give it to a lottery school. The larger the lottery school the more opportunity for UMC flight out of schools that need more SES diversity. ATS may need to move to make room for immersion, but putting it at either McKinley or at Reed makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

I seriously doubt ATS is slated for any sort of expansion given the IPP. If anything, it will be phased out

When neighborhood seats are at a serious deficit, and most people want to go to school near where they live, you don't take one of the largest available buildings and give it to a lottery school. The larger the lottery school the more opportunity for UMC flight out of schools that need more SES diversity. ATS may need to move to make room for immersion, but putting it at either McKinley or at Reed makes no sense.

ATS has a miles long waiting list. They could expand the school population, and then make it HB style with a quota per neighborhood school to avoid the exodus you describe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

The chances of McKinley becoming choice and ATS becoming neighborhood are nil. ATS would not have a good walk zone.

Totally agree. But what happens if they move immersion to S Arlington, Key becomes neighborhood and those are the only changes made. You’ve just mad the seat deficit in S Arlington worse to give Clarendon/wealthy folks a neighborhood school. Right then and there they’d have to commit to a new neighborhood school in SA.

Oh Honey, it's cute that you can see everything as some form of discrimination / privilege and simply decide to ignore the facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

The chances of McKinley becoming choice and ATS becoming neighborhood are nil. ATS would not have a good walk zone.

Totally agree. But what happens if they move immersion to S Arlington, Key becomes neighborhood and those are the only changes made. You’ve just mad the seat deficit in S Arlington worse to give Clarendon/wealthy folks a neighborhood school. Right then and there they’d have to commit to a new neighborhood school in SA.

Oh Honey, it's cute that you can see everything as some form of discrimination / privilege and simply decide to ignore the facts.

And cute you think facts and reasoning will carry the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

The chances of McKinley becoming choice and ATS becoming neighborhood are nil. ATS would not have a good walk zone.

Totally agree. But what happens if they move immersion to S Arlington, Key becomes neighborhood and those are the only changes made. You’ve just mad the seat deficit in S Arlington worse to give Clarendon/wealthy folks a neighborhood school. Right then and there they’d have to commit to a new neighborhood school in SA.

These decisions have nothing to do with given wealthy NA families what they want. It's simple math. This area near Key is one of most overcrowded for elem seats. Look at seat deficits. Key has to become neighborhood (in addition to ASFS) to simply address the seat deficits in this area. This one is easy for APS to defend and we all know they like easy. The smart plan that involved forward thinking and planning would have been to make The Heights the new elementary school but no one plans more than 1-2 years in the future which is why this problem exists.

You are correct and actually APS looked at putting HB at the Reed school. Unfortunately neighborhood opposition in Westover killed that plan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

The chances of McKinley becoming choice and ATS becoming neighborhood are nil. ATS would not have a good walk zone.

Totally agree. But what happens if they move immersion to S Arlington, Key becomes neighborhood and those are the only changes made. You’ve just mad the seat deficit in S Arlington worse to give Clarendon/wealthy folks a neighborhood school. Right then and there they’d have to commit to a new neighborhood school in SA.

Many more changes and moves are on the table.

Regarding immersion, they could go with one robust program rather than two anemic ones, and/or they could scrap the second full program and put immersion classrooms in some schools. The IB program is slated to have an immersion component. Maybe that plus one full program would be enough to exhaust the demand from Spanish speaking families.

Current programs are not anemic. Give me a break.

The numbers don’t lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

The chances of McKinley becoming choice and ATS becoming neighborhood are nil. ATS would not have a good walk zone.

Totally agree. But what happens if they move immersion to S Arlington, Key becomes neighborhood and those are the only changes made. You’ve just mad the seat deficit in S Arlington worse to give Clarendon/wealthy folks a neighborhood school. Right then and there they’d have to commit to a new neighborhood school in SA.

Many more changes and moves are on the table.

Regarding immersion, they could go with one robust program rather than two anemic ones, and/or they could scrap the second full program and put immersion classrooms in some schools. The IB program is slated to have an immersion component. Maybe that plus one full program would be enough to exhaust the demand from Spanish speaking families.

Current programs are not anemic. Give me a break.

The numbers don’t lie.

To be clear PP means anemic for native Spanish speakers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

The chances of McKinley becoming choice and ATS becoming neighborhood are nil. ATS would not have a good walk zone.

Totally agree. But what happens if they move immersion to S Arlington, Key becomes neighborhood and those are the only changes made. You’ve just mad the seat deficit in S Arlington worse to give Clarendon/wealthy folks a neighborhood school. Right then and there they’d have to commit to a new neighborhood school in SA.

The seat deficit in S Arlington is purely theoretical at this point. If you look at the current number of students (including preschoolers) vs building capacity there are hundreds of open seats right now. There are even more if you take Claremont and Campbell out (and another immersion program in S Arlington would take some of Claremont's students). This is completely ignoring the obvious fact that zones can cross 50. Sorry about the formatting on the table, I can't figure out how to insert it properly. The first number is capacity, the second is actual Sept 2019 numbers, the third is over/under.

Abingdon 725 751 -26
Barcroft 460 450 10
Campbell 436 447 -11
Carlin Springs 585 645 -60
Claremont 599 741 -142
Drew 674 442 232
Fleet 752 637 115
Hoffman Boston 566 518 48
Oakridge 674 623 51

Total Overage 217
Total Overage w/o Option 370

What about Randolph?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If ATS goes to McKinley, some of MCK will move to the ATE building bc it’s within the McK boundaries. Still, it’s the most logical.

The chances of McKinley becoming choice and ATS becoming neighborhood are nil. ATS would not have a good walk zone.

Totally agree. But what happens if they move immersion to S Arlington, Key becomes neighborhood and those are the only changes made. You’ve just mad the seat deficit in S Arlington worse to give Clarendon/wealthy folks a neighborhood school. Right then and there they’d have to commit to a new neighborhood school in SA.

The seat deficit in S Arlington is purely theoretical at this point. If you look at the current number of students (including preschoolers) vs building capacity there are hundreds of open seats right now. There are even more if you take Claremont and Campbell out (and another immersion program in S Arlington would take some of Claremont's students). This is completely ignoring the obvious fact that zones can cross 50. Sorry about the formatting on the table, I can't figure out how to insert it properly. The first number is capacity, the second is actual Sept 2019 numbers, the third is over/under.

Abingdon 725 751 -26
Barcroft 460 450 10
Campbell 436 447 -11
Carlin Springs 585 645 -60
Claremont 599 741 -142
Drew 674 442 232
Fleet 752 637 115
Hoffman Boston 566 518 48
Oakridge 674 623 51

Total Overage 217
Total Overage w/o Option 370

What about Randolph?

Oops, that's why I included my calculations! Randolph also has some open seats.

Abingdon 725 751 -26
Barcroft 460 450 10
Campbell 436 447 -11
Carlin Springs 585 645 -60
Claremont 599 741 -142
Drew 674 442 232
Fleet 752 637 115
Hoffman Boston 566 518 48
Oakridge 674 623 51
Randolph 484 461 23

Total Overage 240
Total Overage w/o Option 393