Gang Activity in Montgomery County Shcools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

I suspect you miss a lot because clearly this thread has gone over your head. You've oversimplified.

Standardized test scores are fine and should be measured and aggregated. But there are many parents in the DCC who don't feel aggregate standardized test scores = moving to a "GS rating of 9 or 10" area because they know their kids can get a fine education in the DCC. Having a lot of low-income kids with many barriers does not = schools can't educate. My kids don't have those barriers, have access to many assets that are shaping them and preparing them for college and the world, and are able to take advantage of a lot of the innovative programs in the DCC. While I'm sad that some kids are not doing as well, their not doing well does not impact my kids' college paths.

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

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Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

GROUP test results do not, in fact, matter for the INDIVIDUAL high-performing student.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

Capital letters for emphasis.

Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

Nobody is saying that test results, as an abstract concept, don't matter.

[Anonymous]

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And how does one determine who does/doesn't value education? Oh...of course...their ethnicity is the perfect gauge right!!
So obviously the person who said they want to have their children in the classroom with other kids who value education is just using codespeak to say, "I only want my kid in class with white and Asian children."

Yep.

Actually -- with affluent white and Asian children.

So why not simply praise and fawn all over affluent white and Asian children?
What's the purpose of poster after poster joining in the crusade to debase and demean low-income non-white families/children?

[Anonymous]

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And how does one determine who does/doesn't value education? Oh...of course...their ethnicity is the perfect gauge right!!
So obviously the person who said they want to have their children in the classroom with other kids who value education is just using codespeak to say, "I only want my kid in class with white and Asian children."

Yep.

Actually -- with affluent white and Asian children.

So why not simply praise and fawn all over affluent white and Asian children?
What's the purpose of poster after poster joining in the crusade to debase and demean low-income non-white families/children?

It has been stated in post after post that we just don't know. But it could have something to do with elitism, classism, and yes, racism. Not to rehash everything, but a lot of people like to sneer at DCC and think people have low standards or are just failures by living near the (what they think are failing) schools here.

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

Capital letters for emphasis.

Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

I don't think it's out of insecurity at all. I think it's OK to defend your neighborhood and school from uninformed attacks. That's not insecurity, that's pride.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

I suspect you miss a lot because clearly this thread has gone over your head. You've oversimplified.

Standardized test scores are fine and should be measured and aggregated. But there are many parents in the DCC who don't feel aggregate standardized test scores = moving to a "GS rating of 9 or 10" area because they know their kids can get a fine education in the DCC. Having a lot of low-income kids with many barriers does not = schools can't educate. My kids don't have those barriers, have access to many assets that are shaping them and preparing them for college and the world, and are able to take advantage of a lot of the innovative programs in the DCC. While I'm sad that some kids are not doing as well, their not doing well does not impact my kids' college paths.

Ok, I understand now, this is about insecure parents who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and secure parents who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

Capital letters for emphasis.

Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

I don't think it's out of insecurity at all. I think it's OK to defend your neighborhood and school from uninformed attacks. That's not insecurity, that's pride.

+1 You also don't see DCC or other non-W parents attacking the W schools. I'm comfortable with my choices, so I don't need to tell someone else they are bad person, or uninformed, or dangerously naive, for choosing Somerset.

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

Capital letters for emphasis.

Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

I don't think it's out of insecurity at all. I think it's OK to defend your neighborhood and school from uninformed attacks. That's not insecurity, that's pride.

It's good to be proud of your insecurities, it makes you look secure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

Capital letters for emphasis.

Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

Nobody is saying that test results, as an abstract concept, don't matter.

That is not true, read through this thread to see how many people try to downplay the test results.

[Anonymous]

And to be clear, I think many of us are glad our children go to diverse schools and consider this to be a big positive. We care about all our children's classmates and want them to do well. But we don't obsess over test scores. They don't paint the whole picture.

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

Capital letters for emphasis.

Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

I don't think it's out of insecurity at all. I think it's OK to defend your neighborhood and school from uninformed attacks. That's not insecurity, that's pride.

It's good to be proud of your insecurities, it makes you look secure.

I know you are just having fun being an obtuse troll. But try explaining that comment.

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

Capital letters for emphasis.

Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

GROUP test results do not, in fact, matter for the INDIVIDUAL high-performing student.

You cannot measure school performance based only on individual high-performing students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

Capital letters for emphasis.

Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

GROUP test results do not, in fact, matter for the INDIVIDUAL high-performing student.

You cannot measure school performance based only on individual high-performing students.

Nobody is saying that you can measure group results using individual results.

[Anonymous]

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GROUP test results do not, in fact, matter for the INDIVIDUAL high-performing student.

You cannot measure school performance based only on individual high-performing students.

Here's a summary of the discussion.

You: The overall test results show that the school is bad.
DCC parent: Nonetheless, my kid is doing well at that school.
You: So what? The overall test results show that the school is bad.