Gang Activity in Montgomery County Shcools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

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Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

I don't think it's out of insecurity at all. I think it's OK to defend your neighborhood and school from uninformed attacks. That's not insecurity, that's pride.

It's good to be proud of your insecurities, it makes you look secure.

I know you are just having fun being an obtuse troll. But try explaining that comment.

That just says that you can mask your insecurity by simulating pride.

[Anonymous]

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GROUP test results do not, in fact, matter for the INDIVIDUAL high-performing student.

You cannot measure school performance based only on individual high-performing students.

Here's a summary of the discussion.

You: The overall test results show that the school is bad.
DCC parent: Nonetheless, my kid is doing well at that school.
You: So what? The overall test results show that the school is bad.

You forget the voices that claim that test scores are meaningless. Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

Capital letters for emphasis.

Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

GROUP test results do not, in fact, matter for the INDIVIDUAL high-performing student.

You cannot measure school performance based only on individual high-performing students.

Nobody is saying that you can measure group results using individual results.

Then how do you measure group results?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

GROUP test results do not, in fact, matter for the INDIVIDUAL high-performing student.

You cannot measure school performance based only on individual high-performing students.

Here's a summary of the discussion.

You: The overall test results show that the school is bad.
DCC parent: Nonetheless, my kid is doing well at that school.
You: So what? The overall test results show that the school is bad.

You forget the voices that claim that test scores are meaningless. Try again.

Could you please refer to some previous posts that claim that any test scores, by definition, are meaningless for any purpose whatsoever?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Could you please refer to some previous posts that claim that any test scores, by definition, are meaningless for any purpose whatsoever?

Here is one:

Anonymous wrote:Also, PARCC doesn't measure education that students get -- it measures knowledge that students have.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could you please refer to some previous posts that claim that any test scores, by definition, are meaningless for any purpose whatsoever?

Here is one:

Anonymous wrote:Also, PARCC doesn't measure education that students get -- it measures knowledge that students have.

No, that doesn't say that test scores by definition are meaningless for any purpose whatsoever. It says that these test scores measure knowledge that students have. Which is what these tests (PARCC tests) are designed to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

Capital letters for emphasis.

Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

GROUP test results do not, in fact, matter for the INDIVIDUAL high-performing student.

You cannot measure school performance based only on individual high-performing students.

Nobody is saying that you can measure group results using individual results.

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DH and I are highly-educated and affluent. Our family travels, our house is print-rich, our kids have lots of opportunities to explore their interests. We take them to museums, we travel abroad, they do weekend activities that support their intellectual growth.

Our kids are in a DCC school with a 35ish percent FARMS population and are doing great. The odds are greatly in their favor and to the extent that the odds were improved by them attending a W school rather than the DCC one, the difference would be infintesimal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

Capital letters for emphasis.

Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

GROUP test results do not, in fact, matter for the INDIVIDUAL high-performing student.

You cannot measure school performance based only on individual high-performing students.

Nobody is saying that you can measure group results using individual results.

Then how do you measure group results?

Explain to me why group results are important to you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could you please refer to some previous posts that claim that any test scores, by definition, are meaningless for any purpose whatsoever?

Here is one:

Anonymous wrote:Also, PARCC doesn't measure education that students get -- it measures knowledge that students have.

No, that doesn't say that test scores by definition are meaningless for any purpose whatsoever. It says that these test scores measure knowledge that students have. Which is what these tests (PARCC tests) are designed to do.

Nobody says that "any test scores, by definition, are meaningless for any purpose whatsoever." Are you happy that you defined the problem in such a way that I had to agree with you?

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the parents are saying A SCHOOL'S OVERALL AVERAGE TEST SCORE doesn't matter TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL KID'S EDUCATION, because their individual kid is getting a good education.

Capital letters for emphasis.

Those are in my second category.

No, they're not. Unless you think that parents who say, "My kid is getting a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown", in response to comments that it is not possible to get a good education in a school with lots of kids who are poor and brown, must be insecure.

Well, if they weren't insecure, they wouldn't try so hard to make it look like test results don't matter.

GROUP test results do not, in fact, matter for the INDIVIDUAL high-performing student.

You cannot measure school performance based only on individual high-performing students.

Nobody is saying that you can measure group results using individual results.

Then how do you measure group results?

Explain to me why group results are important to you.

They reflect the level of education of the student body of a given school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

I suspect you miss a lot because clearly this thread has gone over your head. You've oversimplified.

Standardized test scores are fine and should be measured and aggregated. But there are many parents in the DCC who don't feel aggregate standardized test scores = moving to a "GS rating of 9 or 10" area because they know their kids can get a fine education in the DCC. Having a lot of low-income kids with many barriers does not = schools can't educate. My kids don't have those barriers, have access to many assets that are shaping them and preparing them for college and the world, and are able to take advantage of a lot of the innovative programs in the DCC. While I'm sad that some kids are not doing as well, their not doing well does not impact my kids' college paths.

Ok, I understand now, this is about insecure parents who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and secure parents who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway.

Yes, I think that's right. I'm not sure why if you were at a W school you'd come on bash about DCC, schools that you have no experience with. Your justification for that, is "but test scores!" I'm not sure a secure person would need to do this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So there are two types of insecure parents: those who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and those who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway. Am I missing something?

I suspect you miss a lot because clearly this thread has gone over your head. You've oversimplified.

Standardized test scores are fine and should be measured and aggregated. But there are many parents in the DCC who don't feel aggregate standardized test scores = moving to a "GS rating of 9 or 10" area because they know their kids can get a fine education in the DCC. Having a lot of low-income kids with many barriers does not = schools can't educate. My kids don't have those barriers, have access to many assets that are shaping them and preparing them for college and the world, and are able to take advantage of a lot of the innovative programs in the DCC. While I'm sad that some kids are not doing as well, their not doing well does not impact my kids' college paths.

Ok, I understand now, this is about insecure parents who use test scores to justify how much they paid for their Bethesda house and secure parents who claim that test scores don't matter because their kids get a good education anyway.

Yes, I think that's right. I'm not sure why if you were at a W school you'd come on bash about DCC, schools that you have no experience with. Your justification for that, is "but test scores!" I'm not sure a secure person would need to do this.

Your assumption that I am from a W school is completely wrong. And that was ironic (if you didn't get it).

[Anonymous]

I'm more worried about the overall trajectory of Montgomery County in terms of budgets.

This is totally unpopular, but as poorer families move into the county and wealthier families move out, the shortfalls will become more and more significant and tough decisions are going to have to be made in order to maintain the level of services not only for the schools, but for the county in general. This could mean higher taxes, or a reduction in services.

I'm not blaming anyone, just stating what is obvious to me.

[Anonymous]

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They reflect the level of education of the student body of a given school.

And what do you do with that information?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm more worried about the overall trajectory of Montgomery County in terms of budgets.

This is totally unpopular, but as poorer families move into the county and wealthier families move out, the shortfalls will become more and more significant and tough decisions are going to have to be made in order to maintain the level of services not only for the schools, but for the county in general. This could mean higher taxes, or a reduction in services.

I'm not blaming anyone, just stating what is obvious to me.

Where are the wealthier families moving out to, and how do you know that they are doing this?