Breaking: Debbie Wasserman-Schulz' IT staffer arrested while trying to flee US

[Anonymous]

Why would DWS keep someone on the staff when he is a known scammer? Both Awan's attorney and DWS are using the "Islamic card" since the arrest and its disturbing at best.

[Anonymous]

The FBI raided his house the day before his arrest at Dulles Airport. They found damaged hard drives in his garage.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Or maybe it's not on the front page of the post for the same reasons your comet ping pong story wasnt on the front page -- because it is a made up story intended to distract and deflect.

Made up? Not so much.......The people were employed in IT at generous salaries. The wife moved to Pakistan with family. Charges against the family and the one still here has an ankle bracelet. What is made up about this?

What charges have been made against the family? I haven't heard of any charges other than the bank fraud charge against Imran Awan.

And you believe all this is not worth the coverage? How much more do you need to get WP report? Some Russian ties I guess. Ties with Pakistan would not do it.

My issue is not with coverage, but with accuracy. Posters should not write about "Charges against the family" when there aren't any. I also have issues with posters like you who ignore perfectly clear posts and reply with a bunch of unrelated drivel.

I was not the poster who wrote about "charges against the family", never heard about it. But wasn't you the poster who suggested on the first page that Awan was not fleeing the justice butgoing for vacation to Pakistan? So, you don't have any issues with accuracy when you posting not accurate information?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would DWS keep someone on the staff when he is a known scammer? Both Awan's attorney and DWS are using the "Islamic card" since the arrest and its disturbing at best.

Yes, I find her response disappointing. It appears she is just casually accusing law enforcement of bigotry/Islamophobia. What is her evidence? Publicly accusing others of bigotry is a very serious thing, as it should be.

Also, after the huge problems the Dems have had with information security in the recent past, her lack of action when legitimate questions were raised about this family suggests to me that perhaps she hasn't become one iota more careful in terms of cybersecurity. It seems some Dems are simply incapable of learning from their mistakes, and they end up looking like they must be either corrupt or incompetent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would DWS keep someone on the staff when he is a known scammer? Both Awan's attorney and DWS are using the "Islamic card" since the arrest and its disturbing at best.

Yes, I find her response disappointing. It appears she is just casually accusing law enforcement of bigotry/Islamophobia. What is her evidence? Publicly accusing others of bigotry is a very serious thing, as it should be.

Also, after the huge problems the Dems have had with information security in the recent past, her lack of action when legitimate questions were raised about this family suggests to me that perhaps she hasn't become one iota more careful in terms of cybersecurity. It seems some Dems are simply incapable of learning from their mistakes, and they end up looking like they must be either corrupt or incompetent.

I've found that any time a person tells you just how honest or how much integrity they have, they don't.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Or maybe it's not on the front page of the post for the same reasons your comet ping pong story wasnt on the front page -- because it is a made up story intended to distract and deflect.

Made up? Not so much.......The people were employed in IT at generous salaries. The wife moved to Pakistan with family. Charges against the family and the one still here has an ankle bracelet. What is made up about this?

What charges have been made against the family? I haven't heard of any charges other than the bank fraud charge against Imran Awan.

And you believe all this is not worth the coverage? How much more do you need to get WP report? Some Russian ties I guess. Ties with Pakistan would not do it.

My issue is not with coverage, but with accuracy. Posters should not write about "Charges against the family" when there aren't any. I also have issues with posters like you who ignore perfectly clear posts and reply with a bunch of unrelated drivel.

I was not the poster who wrote about "charges against the family", never heard about it. But wasn't you the poster who suggested on the first page that Awan was not fleeing the justice butgoing for vacation to Pakistan? So, you don't have any issues with accuracy when you posting not accurate information?

The subject of this thread says that Awan was "fleeing". I questioned in my initial posts -- and still question -- whether "fleeing" is the correct term. According to Awan's lawyer -- who has not been contradicted by anyone as far as I know -- Awan informed the government that he was planning to leave the country. Does one normally inform one's pursuers of their travel plans if one is "fleeing"? I don't know why Awan was going to Pakistan. I suggest that you don't know either. Given the lack of knowledge we both share in this matter, it would be wrong for either of us to clearly state the reason for Awan's departure.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:The subject of this thread says that Awan was "fleeing". I questioned in my initial posts -- and still question -- whether "fleeing" is the correct term. According to Awan's lawyer -- who has not been contradicted by anyone as far as I know -- Awan informed the government that he was planning to leave the country. Does one normally inform one's pursuers of their travel plans if one is "fleeing"? I don't know why Awan was going to Pakistan. I suggest that you don't know either. Given the lack of knowledge we both share in this matter, it would be wrong for either of us to clearly state the reason for Awan's departure.

Jeff, what is your definition of "Government", DWS? If so, that should make you concerned even more of a cover-up due to the circumstances that lead up to the "vacation" in Pakistan. Don't you find it ironic that the day after the Daily Caller story on the smashed hard drives, Awan is leaving the country? When did he buy the tickets? Was he under FBI surveillance? All of this is still unknown and should be disclosed through the proper legal channels at the right time.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:The subject of this thread says that Awan was "fleeing". I questioned in my initial posts -- and still question -- whether "fleeing" is the correct term. According to Awan's lawyer -- who has not been contradicted by anyone as far as I know -- Awan informed the government that he was planning to leave the country. Does one normally inform one's pursuers of their travel plans if one is "fleeing"? I don't know why Awan was going to Pakistan. I suggest that you don't know either. Given the lack of knowledge we both share in this matter, it would be wrong for either of us to clearly state the reason for Awan's departure.

Jeff, what is your definition of "Government", DWS? If so, that should make you concerned even more of a cover-up due to the circumstances that lead up to the "vacation" in Pakistan. Don't you find it ironic that the day after the Daily Caller story on the smashed hard drives, Awan is leaving the country? When did he buy the tickets? Was he under FBI surveillance? All of this is still unknown and should be disclosed through the proper legal channels at the right time.

To be clear, according to Awan's lawyer, Awan alerted Michael Morando, a US Department of Justice attorney who is the prosecutor of the original procurement investigation.

Again, I submit that a person who is "fleeing" does not alert the person that is investigating them.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:The subject of this thread says that Awan was "fleeing". I questioned in my initial posts -- and still question -- whether "fleeing" is the correct term. According to Awan's lawyer -- who has not been contradicted by anyone as far as I know -- Awan informed the government that he was planning to leave the country. Does one normally inform one's pursuers of their travel plans if one is "fleeing"? I don't know why Awan was going to Pakistan. I suggest that you don't know either. Given the lack of knowledge we both share in this matter, it would be wrong for either of us to clearly state the reason for Awan's departure.

Jeff, what is your definition of "Government", DWS? If so, that should make you concerned even more of a cover-up due to the circumstances that lead up to the "vacation" in Pakistan. Don't you find it ironic that the day after the Daily Caller story on the smashed hard drives, Awan is leaving the country? When did he buy the tickets? Was he under FBI surveillance? All of this is still unknown and should be disclosed through the proper legal channels at the right time.

To be clear, according to Awan's lawyer, Awan alerted Michael Morando, a US Department of Justice attorney who is the prosecutor of the original procurement investigation.

Again, I submit that a person who is "fleeing" does not alert the person that is investigating them.

Any evidence of that alert, or is it simply what his lawyer is saying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would DWS keep someone on the staff when he is a known scammer? Both Awan's attorney and DWS are using the "Islamic card" since the arrest and its disturbing at best.

ISLAMIC CARD: here is what Jeff posted on page 6 of this thread (a statement from Awan's lawyer, and a disgusting display of playing the Islamic card):

Here is a statement from Awan's lawyer:

Statement on the Imran Awan Case

Washington, DC: The attacks on Mr. Awan and his family began as part of a frenzy of anti-Muslim bigotry in the literal heart of our democracy, the House of Representatives. For months we have had utterly unsupported, outlandish, and slanderous statements targeting Mr. Awan coming not just from the ultra-right-wing "pizzagate" media but from sitting members of congress. Now we have the Justice Department showing up with a complaint about disclosures on a modest real estate matter. To an extent, the situation speaks for itself.

Mr. Awan’s family is presently staying with extended family in Pakistan because he and his wife were both abruptly and unjustly fired, leaving them without a reliable source of income to pay typical U.S. living expenses, and because extremist right-wing bloggers were beginning to harass them and their children—even going to their children’s schools. Mr. Awan has stayed in the U.S. to earn some income to manage this situation as best as possible. He attempted to travel this week to see his family for the first time in months. The government had been informed he would travel and had stated no objection. Yet on Monday night he was hastily arrested at Dulles airport.

Because we are confident in the integrity of the U.S. justice system, we are confident that Mr. Awan will soon be able to clear his name and get on with his life. Neither Mr. Awan nor his wife have ever had any intention to “flee” the United States. They are U.S. citizens who have built a full life and have a strong community life in this country. They will stand and fight whatever charges are presented. Once they have prevailed, we will have a chance to more closely examine the ugly political and media dynamics that have driven this controversy from the beginning.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would DWS keep someone on the staff when he is a known scammer? Both Awan's attorney and DWS are using the "Islamic card" since the arrest and its disturbing at best.

ISLAMIC CARD: here is what Jeff posted on page 6 of this thread (a statement from Awan's lawyer, and a disgusting display of playing the Islamic card):

Here is a statement from Awan's lawyer:

Statement on the Imran Awan Case

Washington, DC: The attacks on Mr. Awan and his family began as part of a frenzy of anti-Muslim bigotry in the literal heart of our democracy, the House of Representatives. For months we have had utterly unsupported, outlandish, and slanderous statements targeting Mr. Awan coming not just from the ultra-right-wing "pizzagate" media but from sitting members of congress. Now we have the Justice Department showing up with a complaint about disclosures on a modest real estate matter. To an extent, the situation speaks for itself.

Mr. Awan’s family is presently staying with extended family in Pakistan because he and his wife were both abruptly and unjustly fired, leaving them without a reliable source of income to pay typical U.S. living expenses, and because extremist right-wing bloggers were beginning to harass them and their children—even going to their children’s schools. Mr. Awan has stayed in the U.S. to earn some income to manage this situation as best as possible. He attempted to travel this week to see his family for the first time in months. The government had been informed he would travel and had stated no objection. Yet on Monday night he was hastily arrested at Dulles airport.

Because we are confident in the integrity of the U.S. justice system, we are confident that Mr. Awan will soon be able to clear his name and get on with his life. Neither Mr. Awan nor his wife have ever had any intention to “flee” the United States. They are U.S. citizens who have built a full life and have a strong community life in this country. They will stand and fight whatever charges are presented. Once they have prevailed, we will have a chance to more closely examine the ugly political and media dynamics that have driven this controversy from the beginning.

There have been several anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistani posts in this thread. Islamophobia doesn't explain everyone's motivation, but it certainly contributes in the case of some folks.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:The subject of this thread says that Awan was "fleeing". I questioned in my initial posts -- and still question -- whether "fleeing" is the correct term. According to Awan's lawyer -- who has not been contradicted by anyone as far as I know -- Awan informed the government that he was planning to leave the country. Does one normally inform one's pursuers of their travel plans if one is "fleeing"? I don't know why Awan was going to Pakistan. I suggest that you don't know either. Given the lack of knowledge we both share in this matter, it would be wrong for either of us to clearly state the reason for Awan's departure.

Jeff, what is your definition of "Government", DWS? If so, that should make you concerned even more of a cover-up due to the circumstances that lead up to the "vacation" in Pakistan. Don't you find it ironic that the day after the Daily Caller story on the smashed hard drives, Awan is leaving the country? When did he buy the tickets? Was he under FBI surveillance? All of this is still unknown and should be disclosed through the proper legal channels at the right time.

To be clear, according to Awan's lawyer, Awan alerted Michael Morando, a US Department of Justice attorney who is the prosecutor of the original procurement investigation.

Again, I submit that a person who is "fleeing" does not alert the person that is investigating them.

Any evidence of that alert, or is it simply what his lawyer is saying?

As I said, the statement has not been contradicted. Do you have evidence that the lawyer is lying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:The subject of this thread says that Awan was "fleeing". I questioned in my initial posts -- and still question -- whether "fleeing" is the correct term. According to Awan's lawyer -- who has not been contradicted by anyone as far as I know -- Awan informed the government that he was planning to leave the country. Does one normally inform one's pursuers of their travel plans if one is "fleeing"? I don't know why Awan was going to Pakistan. I suggest that you don't know either. Given the lack of knowledge we both share in this matter, it would be wrong for either of us to clearly state the reason for Awan's departure.

Jeff, what is your definition of "Government", DWS? If so, that should make you concerned even more of a cover-up due to the circumstances that lead up to the "vacation" in Pakistan. Don't you find it ironic that the day after the Daily Caller story on the smashed hard drives, Awan is leaving the country? When did he buy the tickets? Was he under FBI surveillance? All of this is still unknown and should be disclosed through the proper legal channels at the right time.

To be clear, according to Awan's lawyer, Awan alerted Michael Morando, a US Department of Justice attorney who is the prosecutor of the original procurement investigation.

Again, I submit that a person who is "fleeing" does not alert the person that is investigating them.

Any evidence of that alert, or is it simply what his lawyer is saying?

If you cannot trust the lawyer, who else you can trust in this country?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:The subject of this thread says that Awan was "fleeing". I questioned in my initial posts -- and still question -- whether "fleeing" is the correct term. According to Awan's lawyer -- who has not been contradicted by anyone as far as I know -- Awan informed the government that he was planning to leave the country. Does one normally inform one's pursuers of their travel plans if one is "fleeing"? I don't know why Awan was going to Pakistan. I suggest that you don't know either. Given the lack of knowledge we both share in this matter, it would be wrong for either of us to clearly state the reason for Awan's departure.

Jeff, what is your definition of "Government", DWS? If so, that should make you concerned even more of a cover-up due to the circumstances that lead up to the "vacation" in Pakistan. Don't you find it ironic that the day after the Daily Caller story on the smashed hard drives, Awan is leaving the country? When did he buy the tickets? Was he under FBI surveillance? All of this is still unknown and should be disclosed through the proper legal channels at the right time.

To be clear, according to Awan's lawyer, Awan alerted Michael Morando, a US Department of Justice attorney who is the prosecutor of the original procurement investigation.

Again, I submit that a person who is "fleeing" does not alert the person that is investigating them.

What was the date of that so-called "alert"?
There's a reason we don't know, nor is there any evidence of such an "alert".

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:The subject of this thread says that Awan was "fleeing". I questioned in my initial posts -- and still question -- whether "fleeing" is the correct term. According to Awan's lawyer -- who has not been contradicted by anyone as far as I know -- Awan informed the government that he was planning to leave the country. Does one normally inform one's pursuers of their travel plans if one is "fleeing"? I don't know why Awan was going to Pakistan. I suggest that you don't know either. Given the lack of knowledge we both share in this matter, it would be wrong for either of us to clearly state the reason for Awan's departure.

Jeff, what is your definition of "Government", DWS? If so, that should make you concerned even more of a cover-up due to the circumstances that lead up to the "vacation" in Pakistan. Don't you find it ironic that the day after the Daily Caller story on the smashed hard drives, Awan is leaving the country? When did he buy the tickets? Was he under FBI surveillance? All of this is still unknown and should be disclosed through the proper legal channels at the right time.

To be clear, according to Awan's lawyer, Awan alerted Michael Morando, a US Department of Justice attorney who is the prosecutor of the original procurement investigation.

Again, I submit that a person who is "fleeing" does not alert the person that is investigating them.

What was the date of that so-called "alert"?
There's a reason we don't know, nor is there any evidence of such an "alert".

Do you have any evidence that Awan was trying to leave without notifying the DOJ?

If we don't know the circumstances of Awan's leaving, why would you say that he is "fleeing"? You have no evidence that is what was happening. Wouldn't it be better to simply use a more neutral term such as "leaving"?