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Anonymous wrote:I hope Mary gets killed by a car that her husband is driving in the last episode. That would be a fitting end for her. Team Edith!

And Thomas can become Master George's tutor/valet/companion.

No, Moseley will be the tutor.

Nope. He's going to take over the village school, with some help from Daisy.

Daisy is so freaking annoying.

+1. I'm not into her whole storyline from Mr. Mason to her schooling. None of it seems believable for her character.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the poster who said a few pages back that I actually like Mary. Even I, one of the biggest Mary fans ever, was horrified by her this episode. And yes what were they thinking giving her a happy ending!?!?! While Edith's guy left!?!? No one can even be happy for Mary anymore, she's so nasty. Bertie better come back - although I have to say Edith was SO STUPID not to tell him about Marigold - he'd have been ok with it, he's rich now, and happy ending Edith!

Historically, that's not true, and Edith had been making comments to him about worthiness and how her life is complicated and how she wanted to say yes but . . . And he just pushed on and announced to everyone that they were engaged. I don't fault him for that, because I love Bertie, but this wasn't just Edith screwing up.

Mary seems to have forgotten that not very long ago, she was busted for her week of boinking. I know Edith wasn't privy to that, but for Mary to be holier-than-thou to Edith adds hypocrisy to general mean-spiritedness. At least she told Matthew about Mr. Pamuk before they got married. Handsome racer guy, nothing.

Lord G is hilarious these days. When he found out Bertie was rich he literally said something like "Good Golly that's fantastic!"

"Golly gumdrops, what a turn-up"

yes! that was the quote. his childlike glee between that and the dog are sort of cute. also he looked sweet in the top hat at the wedding.

didn't love the super fast wedding. they drag out mary's love life for 4 seasons (or however long it's been since matthew died) and then it's over in 10 minutes?

i think bertie would have stayed with edith if she'd told him. he basically said as much - that it was the lying that made him leave.

What I think is especially sad is that it seemed as if Edith was still trying to decide whether/how to tell him. It wasn't as if she officially accepted or got far down the line with an engagement without saying something. It seemed clear that she was struggling with it the night before. I wondered why she didn't tell him that she had planned to tell him herself later that day or something. True, she lied about Marigold when she first met him, but why on earth would she have shared something that damaging with him at that point.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so disappointed that the writers didn't have Mary make things right with Edith before she made sure she got her man. And THEN she was going to be ok with getting married without making things right with Edith and ensuring that she'd be at the wedding. Edith was only there because SHE was willing to be the grown-up. Ugh. I hope Mary gets killed by a car taht her husband is driving in the last episode. That would be a fitting end for her. Team Edith!

I feel the same way. There was Mary, primping for her wedding, without having even reached out to Edith to beg her to come. The look of surprise on all their faces when Edith walked in made me so angry. Shame on Cora and Robert for not ripping Mary a new one and demanding she make things right with Edith before giving her that lovely wedding. They really haven't done right by Edith, as far as I'm concerned. Even though Edith's mopey personality bugs me, she's still obviously the better person than Mary.

It's too bad Mary also has a kind side (helping Anna, etc.) because she would be easier to hate if she didn't have any redeeming qualities.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the poster who said a few pages back that I actually like Mary. Even I, one of the biggest Mary fans ever, was horrified by her this episode. And yes what were they thinking giving her a happy ending!?!?! While Edith's guy left!?!? No one can even be happy for Mary anymore, she's so nasty. Bertie better come back - although I have to say Edith was SO STUPID not to tell him about Marigold - he'd have been ok with it, he's rich now, and happy ending Edith!

Historically, that's not true, and Edith had been making comments to him about worthiness and how her life is complicated and how she wanted to say yes but . . . And he just pushed on and announced to everyone that they were engaged. I don't fault him for that, because I love Bertie, but this wasn't just Edith screwing up.

Mary seems to have forgotten that not very long ago, she was busted for her week of boinking. I know Edith wasn't privy to that, but for Mary to be holier-than-thou to Edith adds hypocrisy to general mean-spiritedness. At least she told Matthew about Mr. Pamuk before they got married. Handsome racer guy, nothing.

Lord G is hilarious these days. When he found out Bertie was rich he literally said something like "Good Golly that's fantastic!"

"Golly gumdrops, what a turn-up"

yes! that was the quote. his childlike glee between that and the dog are sort of cute. also he looked sweet in the top hat at the wedding.

didn't love the super fast wedding. they drag out mary's love life for 4 seasons (or however long it's been since matthew died) and then it's over in 10 minutes?

i think bertie would have stayed with edith if she'd told him. he basically said as much - that it was the lying that made him leave.

What I think is especially sad is that it seemed as if Edith was still trying to decide whether/how to tell him. It wasn't as if she officially accepted or got far down the line with an engagement without saying something. It seemed clear that she was struggling with it the night before. I wondered why she didn't tell him that she had planned to tell him herself later that day or something. True, she lied about Marigold when she first met him, but why on earth would she have shared something that damaging with him at that point.

I totally agree with this. Why didn't she put up more of a fight? Why not say she was struggling with how to do it and point out that she never technically said yes. He was in such a rush to get a yes that he took her profession of love and unwillingness to say no as a yes. It was too sad-sack to just say that she understood and watch him leave.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Mary gets killed by a car that her husband is driving in the last episode. That would be a fitting end for her. Team Edith!

And Thomas can become Master George's tutor/valet/companion.

No, Moseley will be the tutor.

Nope. He's going to take over the village school, with some help from Daisy.

Daisy is so freaking annoying.

Agree. I can't believe she passed her exams as she's always seemed so incredibly simple.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the poster who said a few pages back that I actually like Mary. Even I, one of the biggest Mary fans ever, was horrified by her this episode. And yes what were they thinking giving her a happy ending!?!?! While Edith's guy left!?!? No one can even be happy for Mary anymore, she's so nasty. Bertie better come back - although I have to say Edith was SO STUPID not to tell him about Marigold - he'd have been ok with it, he's rich now, and happy ending Edith!

Historically, that's not true, and Edith had been making comments to him about worthiness and how her life is complicated and how she wanted to say yes but . . . And he just pushed on and announced to everyone that they were engaged. I don't fault him for that, because I love Bertie, but this wasn't just Edith screwing up.

Mary seems to have forgotten that not very long ago, she was busted for her week of boinking. I know Edith wasn't privy to that, but for Mary to be holier-than-thou to Edith adds hypocrisy to general mean-spiritedness. At least she told Matthew about Mr. Pamuk before they got married. Handsome racer guy, nothing.

Lord G is hilarious these days. When he found out Bertie was rich he literally said something like "Good Golly that's fantastic!"

"Golly gumdrops, what a turn-up"

yes! that was the quote. his childlike glee between that and the dog are sort of cute. also he looked sweet in the top hat at the wedding.

didn't love the super fast wedding. they drag out mary's love life for 4 seasons (or however long it's been since matthew died) and then it's over in 10 minutes?

i think bertie would have stayed with edith if she'd told him. he basically said as much - that it was the lying that made him leave.

What I think is especially sad is that it seemed as if Edith was still trying to decide whether/how to tell him. It wasn't as if she officially accepted or got far down the line with an engagement without saying something. It seemed clear that she was struggling with it the night before. I wondered why she didn't tell him that she had planned to tell him herself later that day or something. True, she lied about Marigold when she first met him, but why on earth would she have shared something that damaging with him at that point.

I totally agree with this. Why didn't she put up more of a fight? Why not say she was struggling with how to do it and point out that she never technically said yes. He was in such a rush to get a yes that he took her profession of love and unwillingness to say no as a yes. It was too sad-sack to just say that she understood and watch him leave.

Agree! The only time we've seen some fighting spirit from her was when she FINALLY confronted Mary and said what needed to be said (i.e. "You're a bitch!"). Why doesn't she speak up for herself???? UGH!

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I think poor Edith has just gotten so used to things not going her way that she immediately accepted it. She doesn't have the self-esteem to fight for herself.

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I think it is part not being able to stand up for herself, part a sense of guilt that she hadn't been able to tell him. But I also think that he will look back and realize she was trying to tell him for ages, and when he shows up to apologize for not trusting *her*, they'll have a much happier marriage than Mary and Speed Racer.

Also, if Henry has no prospects, why is he indulging in an expensive (I assume) hobby like racing cars? I get that his version of no money means "Small income" and not "no income," but still. It's the Lord Grantham school of money management, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I think poor Edith has just gotten so used to things not going her way that she immediately accepted it. She doesn't have the self-esteem to fight for herself.

I feel no pity for Edith. She all ready has left her child with two different families and removed her without a second thought once she was bonded. And she deliberately destroyed Mary's life without a second thought in the first season.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is part not being able to stand up for herself, part a sense of guilt that she hadn't been able to tell him. But I also think that he will look back and realize she was trying to tell him for ages, and when he shows up to apologize for not trusting *her*, they'll have a much happier marriage than Mary and Speed Racer.

Also, if Henry has no prospects, why is he indulging in an expensive (I assume) hobby like racing cars? I get that his version of no money means "Small income" and not "no income," but still. It's the Lord Grantham school of money management, right?

Mary should be clued in by now. When she was engaged to that news paper editor, he wanted to buy one of the neighboring estates b/c the family couldn't afford it and put it up for sale. She's seen the auctioning off of the other great houses and it's contents. Seems to have learned nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:I think poor Edith has just gotten so used to things not going her way that she immediately accepted it. She doesn't have the self-esteem to fight for herself.

I feel no pity for Edith. She all ready has left her child with two different families and removed her without a second thought once she was bonded. And she deliberately destroyed Mary's life without a second thought in the first season.

Yeah, Sybil was the only truly likable sister.

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Anonymous wrote: And she deliberately destroyed Mary's life without a second thought in the first season.

And Mary did what in retaliation?

I'd say they were even, but then Mary had to keep the fight going.

Do you remember her response after Sibyl died and Edith asked if they might get along better?

“I doubt it,but since this is the last time we three shall all be together in this life, let’s love each other now, as sisters should.”

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Anonymous wrote:Edith watching the kids playing in the cemetery related to the speech she gave Mary about accepting her apology, which is still haunting me. Anyone else with sisters see this? I have two and a very complicated relationship with the middle one, who I just don't understand at all. Edith's speech about it being important to make up because someday in the future they would be all they had, the only people to remember Sybil, the only people to remember Granny and their parents, or what the "old days" were like. Gosh, it's still making me tear up. I wonder if Fellows' has siblings. That sentiment rang so true for me.

This notion rang true for me too. I have one sister and although we're quite close the idea that we may be the only ones left who remember everyone who came before us strikes me deep in the heart.

In general I found the scenes in this episode to be emotionally affecting.

I cried. And I'm not a cryer.

I have one sister. We don't really get along. I kind of want to ... but we are so different, and have fought tooth and nail since we were 12 ... now both nearing 40 and we still can't spend a weekend together without having it out. Edith's speech honestly made me think of all those things that only my sister and I will remember one day. The summers at our grandmother's farm ... the after school afternoons at the park ... the cousin that died when I was 20 ... nobody else will remember those people/places/times. Not the way we do. I've truly never thought of it in those terms before. I still don't like her and can't imagine being friends with her ... which made me cry even more. I wish I had a sister I could be close to. For me, that is the saddest part of the Edith/Mary storyline. Even if they make up, they'll never really like each other. And I can't blame them ... at least, I can't blame Edith, because Mary really is a bitch. But then, I'm the younger sister too, so maybe I'm biased.

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Anonymous wrote:Edith watching the kids playing in the cemetery related to the speech she gave Mary about accepting her apology, which is still haunting me. Anyone else with sisters see this? I have two and a very complicated relationship with the middle one, who I just don't understand at all. Edith's speech about it being important to make up because someday in the future they would be all they had, the only people to remember Sybil, the only people to remember Granny and their parents, or what the "old days" were like. Gosh, it's still making me tear up. I wonder if Fellows' has siblings. That sentiment rang so true for me.

This notion rang true for me too. I have one sister and although we're quite close the idea that we may be the only ones left who remember everyone who came before us strikes me deep in the heart.

In general I found the scenes in this episode to be emotionally affecting.

I cried. And I'm not a cryer.

I have one sister. We don't really get along. I kind of want to ... but we are so different, and have fought tooth and nail since we were 12 ... now both nearing 40 and we still can't spend a weekend together without having it out. Edith's speech honestly made me think of all those things that only my sister and I will remember one day. The summers at our grandmother's farm ... the after school afternoons at the park ... the cousin that died when I was 20 ... nobody else will remember those people/places/times. Not the way we do. I've truly never thought of it in those terms before. I still don't like her and can't imagine being friends with her ... which made me cry even more. I wish I had a sister I could be close to. For me, that is the saddest part of the Edith/Mary storyline. Even if they make up, they'll never really like each other. And I can't blame them ... at least, I can't blame Edith, because Mary really is a bitch. But then, I'm the younger sister too, so maybe I'm biased.

I have a brother, and like you, I am not super close with him.
But after our parents and grandparents died, we bonded a little.
It's sad to realize you / your siblings are the matriarch and patriarch of the family. Sad and a little overwhelming.
But it is comforting to have a sibling despite all the crappy stuff.
I hope the future brings better times for you and your sister.

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Anonymous wrote: And she deliberately destroyed Mary's life without a second thought in the first season.

And Mary did what in retaliation?

I'd say they were even, but then Mary had to keep the fight going.

Do you remember her response after Sibyl died and Edith asked if they might get along better?

“I doubt it,but since this is the last time we three shall all be together in this life, let’s love each other now, as sisters should.”

Remind me what Mary did to retaliate?