s/o what are AA parents teaching their kids?

[Anonymous]

OK, I get it... AA are not homogenous, nor are any groups of people. And more than likely, those AA that are reading and posting on this board are not the lower SES that commit most of the crimes committed by blacks.

So really, this is not a good forum for non AA to ask what are AA doing about the violence, lack of education focus, etc... in the lower SES black community. It would be akin to asking affluent white people why the "poor white trash" in the Appalachias don't push education, etc..

As for the thug culture of blacks, I think this is a lower SES culture that exists in almost every culture..latino, white, even Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, I get it... AA are not homogenous, nor are any groups of people. And more than likely, those AA that are reading and posting on this board are not the lower SES that commit most of the crimes committed by blacks.

So really, this is not a good forum for non AA to ask what are AA doing about the violence, lack of education focus, etc... in the lower SES black community. It would be akin to asking affluent white people why the "poor white trash" in the Appalachias don't push education, etc..

As for the thug culture of blacks, I think this is a lower SES culture that exists in almost every culture..latino, white, even Asians.

I've said it again and again: Whites who live in the city are more likely to be middle/upper class. Blacks (who were pushed to the inner city due to racist redlining policies) are more likely to be poor. Comparing these two groups is ENTIRELY unfair. If one were to make the comparison between poor inner city blacks and poor rural whites, you'd see there are a LOT of similarities.

I don't take anyone seriously who focuses on the way black teens dress. This is largely a hip-hop centered thing and ALL races have embraced hip-hop culture and some of the clothing styles that are associated with it. I wonder why Justin Bieber/Eminem aren't reviled for dressing like thugs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

We are from Nigeria and would be very upset if our daughter dated or married the typical American black. We want more for our kids.Many african immigrants would agree. I won't even consider living in an American black community.

I alsn consider an African American someone who actually recently immigrated African. There are really no similarities, even features and skin tone is very different. American blacks have a very uniquely American appearance (and values). In my culture, Nigeria, focusing on your studied is expected. Getting a good job is expected.

Boko Haram is in Nigeria, aren't they? Didn't I read something about them kidnapping 276 girls from their school? Maybe they kidnapped the girls from their school so that the girls could focus on their studies better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We are from Nigeria and would be very upset if our daughter dated or married the typical American black. We want more for our kids.Many african immigrants would agree. I won't even consider living in an American black community.

I alsn consider an African American someone who actually recently immigrated African. There are really no similarities, even features and skin tone is very different. American blacks have a very uniquely American appearance (and values). In my culture, Nigeria, focusing on your studied is expected. Getting a good job is expected.

Boko Haram is in Nigeria, aren't they? Didn't I read something about them kidnapping 276 girls from their school? Maybe they kidnapped the girls from their school so that the girls could focus on their studies better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, I get it... AA are not homogenous, nor are any groups of people. And more than likely, those AA that are reading and posting on this board are not the lower SES that commit most of the crimes committed by blacks.

So really, this is not a good forum for non AA to ask what are AA doing about the violence, lack of education focus, etc... in the lower SES black community. It would be akin to asking affluent white people why the "poor white trash" in the Appalachias don't push education, etc..

As for the thug culture of blacks, I think this is a lower SES culture that exists in almost every culture..latino, white, even Asians.

I've said it again and again: Whites who live in the city are more likely to be middle/upper class. Blacks (who were pushed to the inner city due to racist redlining policies) are more likely to be poor. Comparing these two groups is ENTIRELY unfair. If one were to make the comparison between poor inner city blacks and poor rural whites, you'd see there are a LOT of similarities.

I don't take anyone seriously who focuses on the way black teens dress. This is largely a hip-hop centered thing and ALL races have embraced hip-hop culture and some of the clothing styles that are associated with it. I wonder why Justin Bieber/Eminem aren't reviled for dressing like thugs?

JB is reviled for a lot of things, and I'm pretty sure most people in the hip hop culture would think he's a joke. However, his latest antics do reveal, maybe not thuggish behavior, but certainly spoiled brat, entitled behavior, and the public and media have reviled him for it.

As for Eminem, I think most people respect him because you don't hear about him being thuggish in public. Rather, in private, he is apparently a really good father. That's why people don't revile him. Some of his lyrics towards women, however, were reviled.

If you are middle class, and you dress this way, people will assume this is just your "style". But if you are lower SES, and you dress this way, yes, people will assume you are a thug. But that would work the reverse, too, if you are lower SES, and you are black and dress like a yuppie, people outside the lower SES neighborhood will think you are middle class, and not a thug, but you would probably get your a** kicked in your 'hood.

[Anonymous]

Actually, I have given my AA sons tips on how to survive in America. Work hard, be respectful to those that are respectful to you, avoid confrontations with the cops whenever possible and don't date White girls.

Seems to be working, but I can't get them out of t-shirts and jeans as casual wear.

And OP and any PP's, EVERY AA family that I know has had the "talk" that you describe. Maybe not in the subservient terms that you propose, but all of us talk to our kids about this topic. It is clear that you do not interact socially with many AA parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, I have given my AA sons tips on how to survive in America. Work hard, be respectful to those that are respectful to you, avoid confrontations with the cops whenever possible and don't date White girls.

Seems to be working, but I can't get them out of t-shirts and jeans as casual wear.

And OP and any PP's, EVERY AA family that I know has had the "talk" that you describe. Maybe not in the subservient terms that you propose, but all of us talk to our kids about this topic. It is clear that you do not interact socially with many AA parents.

I'm Asian upper/middle class. I've had the same talk with my DS, except for the "don't date white girls" part. There are plenty of mixed race black/white couples and kids around DMV area, if you are from this area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, I get it... AA are not homogenous, nor are any groups of people. And more than likely, those AA that are reading and posting on this board are not the lower SES that commit most of the crimes committed by blacks.

So really, this is not a good forum for non AA to ask what are AA doing about the violence, lack of education focus, etc... in the lower SES black community. It would be akin to asking affluent white people why the "poor white trash" in the Appalachias don't push education, etc..

As for the thug culture of blacks, I think this is a lower SES culture that exists in almost every culture..latino, white, even Asians.

+1

Thankfully, someone on this thread finally gets it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, I get it... AA are not homogenous, nor are any groups of people. And more than likely, those AA that are reading and posting on this board are not the lower SES that commit most of the crimes committed by blacks.

So really, this is not a good forum for non AA to ask what are AA doing about the violence, lack of education focus, etc... in the lower SES black community. It would be akin to asking affluent white people why the "poor white trash" in the Appalachias don't push education, etc..

As for the thug culture of blacks, I think this is a lower SES culture that exists in almost every culture..latino, white, even Asians.

I've said it again and again: Whites who live in the city are more likely to be middle/upper class. Blacks (who were pushed to the inner city due to racist redlining policies) are more likely to be poor. Comparing these two groups is ENTIRELY unfair. If one were to make the comparison between poor inner city blacks and poor rural whites, you'd see there are a LOT of similarities.

I don't take anyone seriously who focuses on the way black teens dress. This is largely a hip-hop centered thing and ALL races have embraced hip-hop culture and some of the clothing styles that are associated with it. I wonder why Justin Bieber/Eminem aren't reviled for dressing like thugs?

JB is reviled for a lot of things, and I'm pretty sure most people in the hip hop culture would think he's a joke. However, his latest antics do reveal, maybe not thuggish behavior, but certainly spoiled brat, entitled behavior, and the public and media have reviled him for it.

As for Eminem, I think most people respect him because you don't hear about him being thuggish in public. Rather, in private, he is apparently a really good father. That's why people don't revile him. Some of his lyrics towards women, however, were reviled.

If you are middle class, and you dress this way, people will assume this is just your "style". But if you are lower SES, and you dress this way, yes, people will assume you are a thug. But that would work the reverse, too, if you are lower SES, and you are black and dress like a yuppie, people outside the lower SES neighborhood will think you are middle class, and not a thug, but you would probably get your a** kicked in your 'hood.

Whether you realize it or not, you are showing your bias.

JB has violated the law many times. Speeding, DUIs, vandalizing a neighbor's home, urinating in a cell, etc. It's interesting that you call these law breaking violations the symptoms of a spoiled brat and not a thug. This, despite the fact that many label black teens as thugs simply from the way they dress, with NO idea on whether or not they've actually ever committed a crime.

Eminem. Uhmmm, his many of lyrics focused heavily on raping/killing his own mother. Same for his wife. With so many folks putting down black rappers for degrading women, I find it interesting that you don't lump him in with the same group. Good father? Didn't he battle drug addiction for a number of years?

BTW, my main point is how folks criticize the dressing style of black teens. Why not the same criticism when whites do the same?

Also, it's obvious that you have little experience of low-income neighborhoods. There's hardly a uniform that all the poor folks wear and there are plenty of people who dress like your typical suburban kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, I get it... AA are not homogenous, nor are any groups of people. And more than likely, those AA that are reading and posting on this board are not the lower SES that commit most of the crimes committed by blacks.

So really, this is not a good forum for non AA to ask what are AA doing about the violence, lack of education focus, etc... in the lower SES black community. It would be akin to asking affluent white people why the "poor white trash" in the Appalachias don't push education, etc..

As for the thug culture of blacks, I think this is a lower SES culture that exists in almost every culture..latino, white, even Asians.

I've said it again and again: Whites who live in the city are more likely to be middle/upper class. Blacks (who were pushed to the inner city due to racist redlining policies) are more likely to be poor. Comparing these two groups is ENTIRELY unfair. If one were to make the comparison between poor inner city blacks and poor rural whites, you'd see there are a LOT of similarities.

I don't take anyone seriously who focuses on the way black teens dress. This is largely a hip-hop centered thing and ALL races have embraced hip-hop culture and some of the clothing styles that are associated with it. I wonder why Justin Bieber/Eminem aren't reviled for dressing like thugs?

JB is reviled for a lot of things, and I'm pretty sure most people in the hip hop culture would think he's a joke. However, his latest antics do reveal, maybe not thuggish behavior, but certainly spoiled brat, entitled behavior, and the public and media have reviled him for it.

As for Eminem, I think most people respect him because you don't hear about him being thuggish in public. Rather, in private, he is apparently a really good father. That's why people don't revile him. Some of his lyrics towards women, however, were reviled.

If you are middle class, and you dress this way, people will assume this is just your "style". But if you are lower SES, and you dress this way, yes, people will assume you are a thug. But that would work the reverse, too, if you are lower SES, and you are black and dress like a yuppie, people outside the lower SES neighborhood will think you are middle class, and not a thug, but you would probably get your a** kicked in your 'hood.

Whether you realize it or not, you are showing your bias.

JB has violated the law many times. Speeding, DUIs, vandalizing a neighbor's home, urinating in a cell, etc. It's interesting that you call these law breaking violations the symptoms of a spoiled brat and not a thug. This, despite the fact that many label black teens as thugs simply from the way they dress, with NO idea on whether or not they've actually ever committed a crime.

Eminem. Uhmmm, his many of lyrics focused heavily on raping/killing his own mother. Same for his wife. With so many folks putting down black rappers for degrading women, I find it interesting that you don't lump him in with the same group. Good father? Didn't he battle drug addiction for a number of years?

BTW, my main point is how folks criticize the dressing style of black teens. Why not the same criticism when whites do the same?

Also, it's obvious that you have little experience of low-income neighborhoods. There's hardly a uniform that all the poor folks wear and there are plenty of people who dress like your typical suburban kid.

I googled "thug", and here's how it is defined:

1. a violent person, especially a criminal.
2. historical - a member of a religious organization of robbers and assassins in India. Devotees of the goddess Kali, the Thugs waylaid and strangled their victims, usually travelers, in a ritually prescribed manner. They were suppressed by the British in the 1830s.
3. urban dictionary: As Tupac defined it, a thug is someone who is going through struggles, has gone through struggles, and continues to live day by day with nothing for them. That person is a thug. and the life they are living is the thug life.

I don't see JB as violent, #2 or #3. I don't think Eminem really fits the profile either. And a thug is not just someone who has a committed a crime. So yea, neither of those two guys fit a thug definition.

And I think in general, people on this forum are talking about the violent black neighborhoods where *a lot* of the boys do dress a certain way.. as we have now defined as "thugish", and not necessarily the lower SES and "trying to obey the law" kind of neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, I get it... AA are not homogenous, nor are any groups of people. And more than likely, those AA that are reading and posting on this board are not the lower SES that commit most of the crimes committed by blacks.

So really, this is not a good forum for non AA to ask what are AA doing about the violence, lack of education focus, etc... in the lower SES black community. It would be akin to asking affluent white people why the "poor white trash" in the Appalachias don't push education, etc..

As for the thug culture of blacks, I think this is a lower SES culture that exists in almost every culture..latino, white, even Asians.

I've said it again and again: Whites who live in the city are more likely to be middle/upper class. Blacks (who were pushed to the inner city due to racist redlining policies) are more likely to be poor. Comparing these two groups is ENTIRELY unfair. If one were to make the comparison between poor inner city blacks and poor rural whites, you'd see there are a LOT of similarities.

I don't take anyone seriously who focuses on the way black teens dress. This is largely a hip-hop centered thing and ALL races have embraced hip-hop culture and some of the clothing styles that are associated with it. I wonder why Justin Bieber/Eminem aren't reviled for dressing like thugs?

JB is reviled for a lot of things, and I'm pretty sure most people in the hip hop culture would think he's a joke. However, his latest antics do reveal, maybe not thuggish behavior, but certainly spoiled brat, entitled behavior, and the public and media have reviled him for it.

As for Eminem, I think most people respect him because you don't hear about him being thuggish in public. Rather, in private, he is apparently a really good father. That's why people don't revile him. Some of his lyrics towards women, however, were reviled.

If you are middle class, and you dress this way, people will assume this is just your "style". But if you are lower SES, and you dress this way, yes, people will assume you are a thug. But that would work the reverse, too, if you are lower SES, and you are black and dress like a yuppie, people outside the lower SES neighborhood will think you are middle class, and not a thug, but you would probably get your a** kicked in your 'hood.

Whether you realize it or not, you are showing your bias.

JB has violated the law many times. Speeding, DUIs, vandalizing a neighbor's home, urinating in a cell, etc. It's interesting that you call these law breaking violations the symptoms of a spoiled brat and not a thug. This, despite the fact that many label black teens as thugs simply from the way they dress, with NO idea on whether or not they've actually ever committed a crime.

Eminem. Uhmmm, his many of lyrics focused heavily on raping/killing his own mother. Same for his wife. With so many folks putting down black rappers for degrading women, I find it interesting that you don't lump him in with the same group. Good father? Didn't he battle drug addiction for a number of years?

BTW, my main point is how folks criticize the dressing style of black teens. Why not the same criticism when whites do the same?

Also, it's obvious that you have little experience of low-income neighborhoods. There's hardly a uniform that all the poor folks wear and there are plenty of people who dress like your typical suburban kid.

I googled "thug", and here's how it is defined:

1. a violent person, especially a criminal.
2. historical - a member of a religious organization of robbers and assassins in India. Devotees of the goddess Kali, the Thugs waylaid and strangled their victims, usually travelers, in a ritually prescribed manner. They were suppressed by the British in the 1830s.
3. urban dictionary: As Tupac defined it, a thug is someone who is going through struggles, has gone through struggles, and continues to live day by day with nothing for them. That person is a thug. and the life they are living is the thug life.

I don't see JB as violent, #2 or #3. I don't think Eminem really fits the profile either. And a thug is not just someone who has a committed a crime. So yea, neither of those two guys fit a thug definition.

And I think in general, people on this forum are talking about the violent black neighborhoods where *a lot* of the boys do dress a certain way.. as we have now defined as "thugish", and not necessarily the lower SES and "trying to obey the law" kind of neighborhoods.

NP here. I won't distract your exchange with the PP, but it is interesting that you are providing a defintion of thug as violent criminal. Almost a year ago, we had a very good discussion on DCUM about Richard Sherman - a AA football player who is brash and wears dreads - he also has a clean crminal record and has TWO degrees from Stanford. People on DCUM were QUICK to label him a thug just based on his look and demeanor. Using your definition (which I think is the right one), very few AA men that would cross your path are thugs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, I get it... AA are not homogenous, nor are any groups of people. And more than likely, those AA that are reading and posting on this board are not the lower SES that commit most of the crimes committed by blacks.

So really, this is not a good forum for non AA to ask what are AA doing about the violence, lack of education focus, etc... in the lower SES black community. It would be akin to asking affluent white people why the "poor white trash" in the Appalachias don't push education, etc..

As for the thug culture of blacks, I think this is a lower SES culture that exists in almost every culture..latino, white, even Asians.

I've said it again and again: Whites who live in the city are more likely to be middle/upper class. Blacks (who were pushed to the inner city due to racist redlining policies) are more likely to be poor. Comparing these two groups is ENTIRELY unfair. If one were to make the comparison between poor inner city blacks and poor rural whites, you'd see there are a LOT of similarities.

I don't take anyone seriously who focuses on the way black teens dress. This is largely a hip-hop centered thing and ALL races have embraced hip-hop culture and some of the clothing styles that are associated with it. I wonder why Justin Bieber/Eminem aren't reviled for dressing like thugs?

JB is reviled for a lot of things, and I'm pretty sure most people in the hip hop culture would think he's a joke. However, his latest antics do reveal, maybe not thuggish behavior, but certainly spoiled brat, entitled behavior, and the public and media have reviled him for it.

As for Eminem, I think most people respect him because you don't hear about him being thuggish in public. Rather, in private, he is apparently a really good father. That's why people don't revile him. Some of his lyrics towards women, however, were reviled.

If you are middle class, and you dress this way, people will assume this is just your "style". But if you are lower SES, and you dress this way, yes, people will assume you are a thug. But that would work the reverse, too, if you are lower SES, and you are black and dress like a yuppie, people outside the lower SES neighborhood will think you are middle class, and not a thug, but you would probably get your a** kicked in your 'hood.

DAFUQ??
Yea, you can only survive in SE. if you wear Baggie pants and hoodies ...'
Stop watching so much TV and thinking it is real
DAFUQQQ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, I get it... AA are not homogenous, nor are any groups of people. And more than likely, those AA that are reading and posting on this board are not the lower SES that commit most of the crimes committed by blacks.

So really, this is not a good forum for non AA to ask what are AA doing about the violence, lack of education focus, etc... in the lower SES black community. It would be akin to asking affluent white people why the "poor white trash" in the Appalachias don't push education, etc..

As for the thug culture of blacks, I think this is a lower SES culture that exists in almost every culture..latino, white, even Asians.

I've said it again and again: Whites who live in the city are more likely to be middle/upper class. Blacks (who were pushed to the inner city due to racist redlining policies) are more likely to be poor. Comparing these two groups is ENTIRELY unfair. If one were to make the comparison between poor inner city blacks and poor rural whites, you'd see there are a LOT of similarities.

I don't take anyone seriously who focuses on the way black teens dress. This is largely a hip-hop centered thing and ALL races have embraced hip-hop culture and some of the clothing styles that are associated with it. I wonder why Justin Bieber/Eminem aren't reviled for dressing like thugs?

JB is reviled for a lot of things, and I'm pretty sure most people in the hip hop culture would think he's a joke. However, his latest antics do reveal, maybe not thuggish behavior, but certainly spoiled brat, entitled behavior, and the public and media have reviled him for it.

As for Eminem, I think most people respect him because you don't hear about him being thuggish in public. Rather, in private, he is apparently a really good father. That's why people don't revile him. Some of his lyrics towards women, however, were reviled.

If you are middle class, and you dress this way, people will assume this is just your "style". But if you are lower SES, and you dress this way, yes, people will assume you are a thug. But that would work the reverse, too, if you are lower SES, and you are black and dress like a yuppie, people outside the lower SES neighborhood will think you are middle class, and not a thug, but you would probably get your a** kicked in your 'hood.

DAFUQ??
Yea, you can only survive in SE. if you wear Baggie pants and hoodies ...'
Stop watching so much TV and thinking it is real
DAFUQQQ

I have no idea what you are saying.

[Anonymous]

Damn now we know poor people and black people are thugs .
And we wonder hat is wrong with this country.
Sick Joe we are so lazy as to generalize about groups of people
Sick and lazy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, I get it... AA are not homogenous, nor are any groups of people. And more than likely, those AA that are reading and posting on this board are not the lower SES that commit most of the crimes committed by blacks.

So really, this is not a good forum for non AA to ask what are AA doing about the violence, lack of education focus, etc... in the lower SES black community. It would be akin to asking affluent white people why the "poor white trash" in the Appalachias don't push education, etc..

As for the thug culture of blacks, I think this is a lower SES culture that exists in almost every culture..latino, white, even Asians.

I've said it again and again: Whites who live in the city are more likely to be middle/upper class. Blacks (who were pushed to the inner city due to racist redlining policies) are more likely to be poor. Comparing these two groups is ENTIRELY unfair. If one were to make the comparison between poor inner city blacks and poor rural whites, you'd see there are a LOT of similarities.

I don't take anyone seriously who focuses on the way black teens dress. This is largely a hip-hop centered thing and ALL races have embraced hip-hop culture and some of the clothing styles that are associated with it. I wonder why Justin Bieber/Eminem aren't reviled for dressing like thugs?

JB is reviled for a lot of things, and I'm pretty sure most people in the hip hop culture would think he's a joke. However, his latest antics do reveal, maybe not thuggish behavior, but certainly spoiled brat, entitled behavior, and the public and media have reviled him for it.

As for Eminem, I think most people respect him because you don't hear about him being thuggish in public. Rather, in private, he is apparently a really good father. That's why people don't revile him. Some of his lyrics towards women, however, were reviled.

If you are middle class, and you dress this way, people will assume this is just your "style". But if you are lower SES, and you dress this way, yes, people will assume you are a thug. But that would work the reverse, too, if you are lower SES, and you are black and dress like a yuppie, people outside the lower SES neighborhood will think you are middle class, and not a thug, but you would probably get your a** kicked in your 'hood.

DAFUQ??
Yea, you can only survive in SE. if you wear Baggie pants and hoodies ...'
Stop watching so much TV and thinking it is real
DAFUQQQ

I have no idea what you are saying.

The prior poster said a person would get their ass kicked on the so called hood for dressing middle class( whatever that is)
And I was punting out how asinine a statement that was. People watch a lot of TV and know 5 people that are black/brown/poor and they think they are a social anthropologist, not realizing they are just spectacularly stupid!