Trump admin ADMITS wrongful deportation

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Anonymous wrote:This is literally the case; I do not care about it, nor should anyone else. I don't think it was a mistake; it might have been an "error," but come on, this is an MS-13 member. Not a kindergartner who ended up in prison in El Salvador. He is where he belongs.

He was afraid of his own government and of his gang. Why are we allowing protected status to horrible gang members who leave dead bodies of innocents to show their power?
Many Salvadorans are pleased with their president and how he is making going to the grocery store less stressful, rather than Squid Games.
I call this a good error for us.

He was not in MS13. God forbid one day the government come after you or your family member because they have a tattoo that *looks* like a gang tatto.


People say he is not in MS13, then turn around and argue it is torture to send him to a prison that has rival gangs.


You very clearly don’t understand how the constitution works, how gangs work, how prisons work, or even how compassion works. Why are you even opining in this matter?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:This is literally the case; I do not care about it, nor should anyone else. I don't think it was a mistake; it might have been an "error," but come on, this is an MS-13 member. Not a kindergartner who ended up in prison in El Salvador. He is where he belongs.

He was afraid of his own government and of his gang. Why are we allowing protected status to horrible gang members who leave dead bodies of innocents to show their power?
Many Salvadorans are pleased with their president and how he is making going to the grocery store less stressful, rather than Squid Games.
I call this a good error for us.

He was not in MS13. God forbid one day the government come after you or your family member because they have a tattoo that *looks* like a gang tatto.


People say he is not in MS13, then turn around and argue it is torture to send him to a prison that has rival gangs.
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Who said anything about rival gangs?
The judge in the order to return him.


Stop lying. The judge did not say that he was in a rival gang. She was characterizing the governments argument.


The judge said the prison had rival gangs.


It does. But your insinuation that she admitted he is part of one them is a lie.
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Anonymous wrote:Okay, so let's go with the PP's premise that mistakes will be made. WHY is the administration ACTIVELY fighting to rectify the error?


+1 exactly, if it’s mistake, bring him back, give him his due process and deport him without sending him to prison.


I’m guessing it’s because dude is already dead or has been seriously injured. There’s no reason not to try to get him back. We do prisoner exchanges all the time.
Anonymous
I guess we will wait for the Supremes. In the meantime, from the 4th Circuit's opinion upholding the injunction:

"“The Attorney General’s decision to remove Abrego Garcia to El Salvador was not one that was within her lawful discretion. The removal was not the enforcement of a valid order of removal. Instead, it was plainly in violation of immigration laws,” the court wrote."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Okay, so let's go with the PP's premise that mistakes will be made. WHY is the administration ACTIVELY fighting to rectify the error?

The answer is obvious. If they have to correct errors, they can’t just round up tons of people deport them, without regard to legal justification in the future, which is exactly what they plan to do. They have no plans for careful examination of potential deportees.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is literally the case; I do not care about it, nor should anyone else. I don't think it was a mistake; it might have been an "error," but come on, this is an MS-13 member. Not a kindergartner who ended up in prison in El Salvador. He is where he belongs.

He was afraid of his own government and of his gang. Why are we allowing protected status to horrible gang members who leave dead bodies of innocents to show their power?
Many Salvadorans are pleased with their president and how he is making going to the grocery store less stressful, rather than Squid Games.
I call this a good error for us.

He was not in MS13. God forbid one day the government come after you or your family member because they have a tattoo that *looks* like a gang tatto.


People say he is not in MS13, then turn around and argue it is torture to send him to a prison that has rival gangs.
'
Who said anything about rival gangs?
The judge in the order to return him.


Stop lying. The judge did not say that he was in a rival gang. She was characterizing the governments argument.


The judge said the prison had rival gangs.


Is this about gangs his backstory?

Anyone here should read about the case, but here’s a rundown in a few sentences. His parents owned a business. Gangs were running an extortion scheme on parents. When they couldn’t pay, the gang wanted their sons in their gang. They threatened to harm the whole family. Parents sold their business and sent their sons across the border.

So, yes, rival gangs can be a problem in this situation.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Okay, so let's go with the PP's premise that mistakes will be made. WHY is the administration ACTIVELY fighting to rectify the error?

The answer is obvious. If they have to correct errors, they can’t just round up tons of people deport them, without regard to legal justification in the future, which is exactly what they plan to do. They have no plans for careful examination of potential deportees.


+1

If they admit that this guy deserves due process, then so do all the others on the plane, and everyone else in the future [which, of course, they all do]. Either that or he is no longer retrievable aka deceased. But I hope it's the former, not the latter.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Okay, so let's go with the PP's premise that mistakes will be made. WHY is the administration ACTIVELY fighting to rectify the error?


+1 exactly, if it’s mistake, bring him back, give him his due process and deport him without sending him to prison.


I’m guessing it’s because dude is already dead or has been seriously injured. There’s no reason not to try to get him back. We do prisoner exchanges all the time.


He is not a prisoner
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Okay, so let's go with the PP's premise that mistakes will be made. WHY is the administration ACTIVELY fighting to rectify the error?


+1 exactly, if it’s mistake, bring him back, give him his due process and deport him without sending him to prison.


I’m guessing it’s because dude is already dead or has been seriously injured. There’s no reason not to try to get him back. We do prisoner exchanges all the time.


He is not a prisoner


DP. He's in a prison. I agree that "prison exchange" isn't the correct word choice, except that here, he is in a prison, so maybe it is.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Okay, so let's go with the PP's premise that mistakes will be made. WHY is the administration ACTIVELY fighting to rectify the error?


+1 exactly, if it’s mistake, bring him back, give him his due process and deport him without sending him to prison.


I’m guessing it’s because dude is already dead or has been seriously injured. There’s no reason not to try to get him back. We do prisoner exchanges all the time.


He is not a prisoner


He’s being held in a prison. He’s a prisoner. Sorry you don’t like reality
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is literally the case; I do not care about it, nor should anyone else. I don't think it was a mistake; it might have been an "error," but come on, this is an MS-13 member. Not a kindergartner who ended up in prison in El Salvador. He is where he belongs.

He was afraid of his own government and of his gang. Why are we allowing protected status to horrible gang members who leave dead bodies of innocents to show their power?
Many Salvadorans are pleased with their president and how he is making going to the grocery store less stressful, rather than Squid Games.
I call this a good error for us.

He was not in MS13. God forbid one day the government come after you or your family member because they have a tattoo that *looks* like a gang tatto.


People say he is not in MS13, then turn around and argue it is torture to send him to a prison that has rival gangs.
'
Who said anything about rival gangs?
The judge in the order to return him.


Stop lying. The judge did not say that he was in a rival gang. She was characterizing the governments argument.


The judge said the prison had rival gangs.


That makes sense. Still don't understand what PP is talking about

Is this about gangs his backstory?

Anyone here should read about the case, but here’s a rundown in a few sentences. His parents owned a business. Gangs were running an extortion scheme on parents. When they couldn’t pay, the gang wanted their sons in their gang. They threatened to harm the whole family. Parents sold their business and sent their sons across the border.

So, yes, rival gangs can be a problem in this situation.
Anonymous
The Supreme Court has asked for a response to the government's appeal and has stayed the court order. Response is due tomorrow. Which should be pretty easy, just refile the same doc with changed headers. They can also add in some arguments addressing the novel arguments that the government has [attempted to] raise on appeal. If they are feeling generous.
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Anonymous wrote:Then claims that they can't bring the person back.
WTH is this? They can't or won't fix their error? Is this the state of the US justice system? https://wtop.com/maryland/2025/04/trump-administration-concedes-maryland-father-from-el-salvador-was-mistakenly-deported-and-sent-to-mega-prison/

Why did you Democrats create this open border sh*t show?


It turns out, governing is hard. MAGA is experiencing this but blaming Biden for it rather than turning their brains on and realizing that this is a large country with big issues and lots of laws to deal with lots of situations.

Ignoring all of it and saying "Deport 100 people, don't bother me with details about who they are or whether they are removable!" leads to disasters. As we see now.


DP. Problem is, it is a disaster but really only affecting a few people who are the deportee and their family members.
A few of these mistakes, maybe even a few hundred of these mistakes, are but a grain of sand in the Sahara, in comparison to the number of people who have been stopped from coming in at the border and/or lawfully deported.
Unfortunate but I do think the majority are ok with this as the cost of getting things done.


This is not the cost of getting things done if you expect competence. Do you? The mistake we have seen in the last three months are ASTONISHING. The lack of accountability is SHOCKING. Why do you accept such incompetence from our elected officials????


Because I know how extremely complex things are, and our systems work most of the time, but nothing can be perfect.
We accept those kinds of risks all the time. We drive on roads knowing there’s a small chance of getting into a fatal accident. We get medical treatments knowing there’s a small chance of something going wrong. But we don’t stay at home and do nothing because those risks exist.

Activists would have us believe we shouldn’t do any immigration enforcement because mistakes can happen, but pragmatists recognize that can’t be a reason to stay home and do nothing.

See, this is exactly what I’m afraid of. People who hear snippets about deportation and crackdowns, but never the whole story. They’re grateful for enforcement of immigration laws and think, great, we’re making some progress! They hear about one, single administrative error and think, oh well, that’s just the cost of doing business, nothing’s perfect.

This administration is more about theater than justice or protection of American citizens. They’re putting on a show and they want to shock and awe people. Look how tough we are! Look at these results! They said they were going to round up the worst of the worst first. They said you have to get the bad guys first. 75% of these men not only had never been convicted of anything in the US, but they’d never even been arrested for anything. Our government can’t produce any evidence of wrongdoing for 3/4 of them, but we’ve labeled them terrorists and sent them to CECOT, which houses the *actual* worst of the worst from El Salvador.

You think Mr. Garcia’s case was an administrative error, but don’t care because he’s probably MS-13, and hey, nothing’s perfect, but make no mistake: this administration is not striving for perfection and falling short just short of it. They weren’t going after the worst criminals. They harvested low hanging fruit and called it a success. They’re putting on a show for you and they’re completely indifferent to the actual results. All they’re looking for is the public thinking they’re accomplishing something. It’s the exact same approach they’re taking to every governmental agency. They’re not cutting out waste; they’re funneling it in different directions. They’re not increasing efficiency; they’re dismantling the very framework that makes the bureaucracy run. But none of that matters because we see them shaking things up!


He may well be putting on a show, and I’m not convinced that this is the best and most efficient way of doing things, but the numbers at the border don’t lie. Like it or not, it’s working.
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This is the United States. Our jurisprudence, our entire system of justice, due process in particular, is premised on the value statement: it is better for 10 guilty to go free than 1 innocent person be unjustly imprisoned. This is called Blackstone's Ratio, and it is also the premise of the British system. Our founding fathers repeated this principle over and over again. The people who believe the opposite are call "authoritarian," and we rejected them way back in the 1700s.


I'm not aware of it being called Blackstone's Ratio. That would imply that a 9% error rate or below is acceptable.

Omg, you don’t understand this principle at all. It’s not about error rates. It’s specifically about erring on the side of protecting innocent people.

That's why I objected to the use of 'ratio' vs the principle.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Then claims that they can't bring the person back.
WTH is this? They can't or won't fix their error? Is this the state of the US justice system? https://wtop.com/maryland/2025/04/trump-administration-concedes-maryland-father-from-el-salvador-was-mistakenly-deported-and-sent-to-mega-prison/

Why did you Democrats create this open border sh*t show?


It turns out, governing is hard. MAGA is experiencing this but blaming Biden for it rather than turning their brains on and realizing that this is a large country with big issues and lots of laws to deal with lots of situations.

Ignoring all of it and saying "Deport 100 people, don't bother me with details about who they are or whether they are removable!" leads to disasters. As we see now.


DP. Problem is, it is a disaster but really only affecting a few people who are the deportee and their family members.
A few of these mistakes, maybe even a few hundred of these mistakes, are but a grain of sand in the Sahara, in comparison to the number of people who have been stopped from coming in at the border and/or lawfully deported.
Unfortunate but I do think the majority are ok with this as the cost of getting things done.


This is not the cost of getting things done if you expect competence. Do you? The mistake we have seen in the last three months are ASTONISHING. The lack of accountability is SHOCKING. Why do you accept such incompetence from our elected officials????


Because I know how extremely complex things are, and our systems work most of the time, but nothing can be perfect.
We accept those kinds of risks all the time. We drive on roads knowing there’s a small chance of getting into a fatal accident. We get medical treatments knowing there’s a small chance of something going wrong. But we don’t stay at home and do nothing because those risks exist.

Activists would have us believe we shouldn’t do any immigration enforcement because mistakes can happen, but pragmatists recognize that can’t be a reason to stay home and do nothing.

See, this is exactly what I’m afraid of. People who hear snippets about deportation and crackdowns, but never the whole story. They’re grateful for enforcement of immigration laws and think, great, we’re making some progress! They hear about one, single administrative error and think, oh well, that’s just the cost of doing business, nothing’s perfect.

This administration is more about theater than justice or protection of American citizens. They’re putting on a show and they want to shock and awe people. Look how tough we are! Look at these results! They said they were going to round up the worst of the worst first. They said you have to get the bad guys first. 75% of these men not only had never been convicted of anything in the US, but they’d never even been arrested for anything. Our government can’t produce any evidence of wrongdoing for 3/4 of them, but we’ve labeled them terrorists and sent them to CECOT, which houses the *actual* worst of the worst from El Salvador.

You think Mr. Garcia’s case was an administrative error, but don’t care because he’s probably MS-13, and hey, nothing’s perfect, but make no mistake: this administration is not striving for perfection and falling short just short of it. They weren’t going after the worst criminals. They harvested low hanging fruit and called it a success. They’re putting on a show for you and they’re completely indifferent to the actual results. All they’re looking for is the public thinking they’re accomplishing something. It’s the exact same approach they’re taking to every governmental agency. They’re not cutting out waste; they’re funneling it in different directions. They’re not increasing efficiency; they’re dismantling the very framework that makes the bureaucracy run. But none of that matters because we see them shaking things up!


He may well be putting on a show, and I’m not convinced that this is the best and most efficient way of doing things, but the numbers at the border don’t lie. Like it or not, it’s working.


What were the numbers before these infamous plane trips?

This theater was not needed. It is only needed now to threaten all Americans with possible unreviewable exile. In "error".
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