Trump admin ADMITS wrongful deportation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Then claims that they can't bring the person back.
WTH is this? They can't or won't fix their error? Is this the state of the US justice system? https://wtop.com/maryland/2025/04/trump-administration-concedes-maryland-father-from-el-salvador-was-mistakenly-deported-and-sent-to-mega-prison/

Why did you Democrats create this open border sh*t show?

It turns out, governing is hard. MAGA is experiencing this but blaming Biden for it rather than turning their brains on and realizing that this is a large country with big issues and lots of laws to deal with lots of situations.

Ignoring all of it and saying "Deport 100 people, don't bother me with details about who they are or whether they are removable!" leads to disasters. As we see now.

DP. Problem is, it is a disaster but really only affecting a few people who are the deportee and their family members.
A few of these mistakes, maybe even a few hundred of these mistakes, are but a grain of sand in the Sahara, in comparison to the number of people who have been stopped from coming in at the border and/or lawfully deported.
Unfortunate but I do think the majority are ok with this as the cost of getting things done.

This is not the cost of getting things done if you expect competence. Do you? The mistake we have seen in the last three months are ASTONISHING. The lack of accountability is SHOCKING. Why do you accept such incompetence from our elected officials????

Because I know how extremely complex things are, and our systems work most of the time, but nothing can be perfect.
We accept those kinds of risks all the time. We drive on roads knowing there’s a small chance of getting into a fatal accident. We get medical treatments knowing there’s a small chance of something going wrong. But we don’t stay at home and do nothing because those risks exist.

Activists would have us believe we shouldn’t do any immigration enforcement because mistakes can happen, but pragmatists recognize that can’t be a reason to stay home and do nothing.

See, this is exactly what I’m afraid of. People who hear snippets about deportation and crackdowns, but never the whole story. They’re grateful for enforcement of immigration laws and think, great, we’re making some progress! They hear about one, single administrative error and think, oh well, that’s just the cost of doing business, nothing’s perfect.

This administration is more about theater than justice or protection of American citizens. They’re putting on a show and they want to shock and awe people. Look how tough we are! Look at these results! They said they were going to round up the worst of the worst first. They said you have to get the bad guys first. 75% of these men not only had never been convicted of anything in the US, but they’d never even been arrested for anything. Our government can’t produce any evidence of wrongdoing for 3/4 of them, but we’ve labeled them terrorists and sent them to CECOT, which houses the *actual* worst of the worst from El Salvador.

You think Mr. Garcia’s case was an administrative error, but don’t care because he’s probably MS-13, and hey, nothing’s perfect, but make no mistake: this administration is not striving for perfection and falling short just short of it. They weren’t going after the worst criminals. They harvested low hanging fruit and called it a success. They’re putting on a show for you and they’re completely indifferent to the actual results. All they’re looking for is the public thinking they’re accomplishing something. It’s the exact same approach they’re taking to every governmental agency. They’re not cutting out waste; they’re funneling it in different directions. They’re not increasing efficiency; they’re dismantling the very framework that makes the bureaucracy run. But none of that matters because we see them shaking things up!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is literally the case; I do not care about it, nor should anyone else. I don't think it was a mistake; it might have been an "error," but come on, this is an MS-13 member. Not a kindergartner who ended up in prison in El Salvador. He is where he belongs.

He was afraid of his own government and of his gang. Why are we allowing protected status to horrible gang members who leave dead bodies of innocents to show their power?
Many Salvadorans are pleased with their president and how he is making going to the grocery store less stressful, rather than Squid Games.
I call this a good error for us.

He was not in MS13. God forbid one day the government come after you or your family member because they have a tattoo that *looks* like a gang tatto.

People say he is not in MS13, then turn around and argue it is torture to send him to a prison that has rival gangs.

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Who said anything about rival gangs?

[Anonymous]

Well, if he wasn’t MS-13 before, he’ll have to be now to survive, so I guess our government made our accusations true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is literally the case; I do not care about it, nor should anyone else. I don't think it was a mistake; it might have been an "error," but come on, this is an MS-13 member. Not a kindergartner who ended up in prison in El Salvador. He is where he belongs.

He was afraid of his own government and of his gang. Why are we allowing protected status to horrible gang members who leave dead bodies of innocents to show their power?
Many Salvadorans are pleased with their president and how he is making going to the grocery store less stressful, rather than Squid Games.
I call this a good error for us.

He was not in MS13. God forbid one day the government come after you or your family member because they have a tattoo that *looks* like a gang tatto.

People say he is not in MS13, then turn around and argue it is torture to send him to a prison that has rival gangs.

'
Who said anything about rival gangs?

No one. PP is just manufacturing a gotchya out of thin air.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then claims that they can't bring the person back.
WTH is this? They can't or won't fix their error? Is this the state of the US justice system? https://wtop.com/maryland/2025/04/trump-administration-concedes-maryland-father-from-el-salvador-was-mistakenly-deported-and-sent-to-mega-prison/

Why did you Democrats create this open border sh*t show?

It turns out, governing is hard. MAGA is experiencing this but blaming Biden for it rather than turning their brains on and realizing that this is a large country with big issues and lots of laws to deal with lots of situations.

Ignoring all of it and saying "Deport 100 people, don't bother me with details about who they are or whether they are removable!" leads to disasters. As we see now.

DP. Problem is, it is a disaster but really only affecting a few people who are the deportee and their family members.
A few of these mistakes, maybe even a few hundred of these mistakes, are but a grain of sand in the Sahara, in comparison to the number of people who have been stopped from coming in at the border and/or lawfully deported.
Unfortunate but I do think the majority are ok with this as the cost of getting things done.

This is not the cost of getting things done if you expect competence. Do you? The mistake we have seen in the last three months are ASTONISHING. The lack of accountability is SHOCKING. Why do you accept such incompetence from our elected officials????

Because I know how extremely complex things are, and our systems work most of the time, but nothing can be perfect.
We accept those kinds of risks all the time. We drive on roads knowing there’s a small chance of getting into a fatal accident. We get medical treatments knowing there’s a small chance of something going wrong. But we don’t stay at home and do nothing because those risks exist.

Activists would have us believe we shouldn’t do any immigration enforcement because mistakes can happen, but pragmatists recognize that can’t be a reason to stay home and do nothing.

See, this is exactly what I’m afraid of. People who hear snippets about deportation and crackdowns, but never the whole story. They’re grateful for enforcement of immigration laws and think, great, we’re making some progress! They hear about one, single administrative error and think, oh well, that’s just the cost of doing business, nothing’s perfect.

This administration is more about theater than justice or protection of American citizens. They’re putting on a show and they want to shock and awe people. Look how tough we are! Look at these results! They said they were going to round up the worst of the worst first. They said you have to get the bad guys first. 75% of these men not only had never been convicted of anything in the US, but they’d never even been arrested for anything. Our government can’t produce any evidence of wrongdoing for 3/4 of them, but we’ve labeled them terrorists and sent them to CECOT, which houses the *actual* worst of the worst from El Salvador.

You think Mr. Garcia’s case was an administrative error, but don’t care because he’s probably MS-13, and hey, nothing’s perfect, but make no mistake: this administration is not striving for perfection and falling short just short of it. They weren’t going after the worst criminals. They harvested low hanging fruit and called it a success. They’re putting on a show for you and they’re completely indifferent to the actual results. All they’re looking for is the public thinking they’re accomplishing something. It’s the exact same approach they’re taking to every governmental agency. They’re not cutting out waste; they’re funneling it in different directions. They’re not increasing efficiency; they’re dismantling the very framework that makes the bureaucracy run. But none of that matters because we see them shaking things up!

Thank you, PP. Well said. I would just add one more thing: under the Trump administration, ICE has increased daily arrest quotas to meet which are, no doubt, affecting how they do business. It is making them more hurried and sloppy and less inclined to follow due process. "According to the Washington Post, Trump officials directed senior ICE officials to increase arrests to meet daily quotas. Each field office has been instructed to make 75 arrests per day, with managers "held accountable" for failing to meet the targets. Nationally, this would increase daily ICE arrests from a few hundred per day to at least 1,200 to 1,500."


https://immpolicytracking.org/policies/report-ice-directed-to-increase-arrests-to-meet-daily-quotas/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then claims that they can't bring the person back.
WTH is this? They can't or won't fix their error? Is this the state of the US justice system? https://wtop.com/maryland/2025/04/trump-administration-concedes-maryland-father-from-el-salvador-was-mistakenly-deported-and-sent-to-mega-prison/

Why did you Democrats create this open border sh*t show?

It turns out, governing is hard. MAGA is experiencing this but blaming Biden for it rather than turning their brains on and realizing that this is a large country with big issues and lots of laws to deal with lots of situations.

Ignoring all of it and saying "Deport 100 people, don't bother me with details about who they are or whether they are removable!" leads to disasters. As we see now.

DP. Problem is, it is a disaster but really only affecting a few people who are the deportee and their family members.
A few of these mistakes, maybe even a few hundred of these mistakes, are but a grain of sand in the Sahara, in comparison to the number of people who have been stopped from coming in at the border and/or lawfully deported.
Unfortunate but I do think the majority are ok with this as the cost of getting things done.

This is not the cost of getting things done if you expect competence. Do you? The mistake we have seen in the last three months are ASTONISHING. The lack of accountability is SHOCKING. Why do you accept such incompetence from our elected officials????

Because I know how extremely complex things are, and our systems work most of the time, but nothing can be perfect.
We accept those kinds of risks all the time. We drive on roads knowing there’s a small chance of getting into a fatal accident. We get medical treatments knowing there’s a small chance of something going wrong. But we don’t stay at home and do nothing because those risks exist.

Activists would have us believe we shouldn’t do any immigration enforcement because mistakes can happen, but pragmatists recognize that can’t be a reason to stay home and do nothing.

This is the United States. Our jurisprudence, our entire system of justice, due process in particular, is premised on the value statement: it is better for 10 guilty to go free than 1 innocent person be unjustly imprisoned. This is called Blackstone's Ratio, and it is also the premise of the British system. Our founding fathers repeated this principle over and over again. The people who believe the opposite are call "authoritarian," and we rejected them way back in the 1700s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is literally the case; I do not care about it, nor should anyone else. I don't think it was a mistake; it might have been an "error," but come on, this is an MS-13 member. Not a kindergartner who ended up in prison in El Salvador. He is where he belongs.

He was afraid of his own government and of his gang. Why are we allowing protected status to horrible gang members who leave dead bodies of innocents to show their power?
Many Salvadorans are pleased with their president and how he is making going to the grocery store less stressful, rather than Squid Games.
I call this a good error for us.

He was not in MS13. God forbid one day the government come after you or your family member because they have a tattoo that *looks* like a gang tatto.

People say he is not in MS13, then turn around and argue it is torture to send him to a prison that has rival gangs.

'
Who said anything about rival gangs?

The judge in the order to return him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then claims that they can't bring the person back.
WTH is this? They can't or won't fix their error? Is this the state of the US justice system? https://wtop.com/maryland/2025/04/trump-administration-concedes-maryland-father-from-el-salvador-was-mistakenly-deported-and-sent-to-mega-prison/

Why did you Democrats create this open border sh*t show?

It turns out, governing is hard. MAGA is experiencing this but blaming Biden for it rather than turning their brains on and realizing that this is a large country with big issues and lots of laws to deal with lots of situations.

Ignoring all of it and saying "Deport 100 people, don't bother me with details about who they are or whether they are removable!" leads to disasters. As we see now.

DP. Problem is, it is a disaster but really only affecting a few people who are the deportee and their family members.
A few of these mistakes, maybe even a few hundred of these mistakes, are but a grain of sand in the Sahara, in comparison to the number of people who have been stopped from coming in at the border and/or lawfully deported.
Unfortunate but I do think the majority are ok with this as the cost of getting things done.

This is not the cost of getting things done if you expect competence. Do you? The mistake we have seen in the last three months are ASTONISHING. The lack of accountability is SHOCKING. Why do you accept such incompetence from our elected officials????

Because I know how extremely complex things are, and our systems work most of the time, but nothing can be perfect.
We accept those kinds of risks all the time. We drive on roads knowing there’s a small chance of getting into a fatal accident. We get medical treatments knowing there’s a small chance of something going wrong. But we don’t stay at home and do nothing because those risks exist.

Activists would have us believe we shouldn’t do any immigration enforcement because mistakes can happen, but pragmatists recognize that can’t be a reason to stay home and do nothing.

This is the United States. Our jurisprudence, our entire system of justice, due process in particular, is premised on the value statement: it is better for 10 guilty to go free than 1 innocent person be unjustly imprisoned. This is called Blackstone's Ratio, and it is also the premise of the British system. Our founding fathers repeated this principle over and over again. The people who believe the opposite are call "authoritarian," and we rejected them way back in the 1700s.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is literally the case; I do not care about it, nor should anyone else. I don't think it was a mistake; it might have been an "error," but come on, this is an MS-13 member. Not a kindergartner who ended up in prison in El Salvador. He is where he belongs.

He was afraid of his own government and of his gang. Why are we allowing protected status to horrible gang members who leave dead bodies of innocents to show their power?
Many Salvadorans are pleased with their president and how he is making going to the grocery store less stressful, rather than Squid Games.
I call this a good error for us.

He was not in MS13. God forbid one day the government come after you or your family member because they have a tattoo that *looks* like a gang tatto.

People say he is not in MS13, then turn around and argue it is torture to send him to a prison that has rival gangs.

'
Who said anything about rival gangs?

The judge in the order to return him.

What specifically did the judge say?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is literally the case; I do not care about it, nor should anyone else. I don't think it was a mistake; it might have been an "error," but come on, this is an MS-13 member. Not a kindergartner who ended up in prison in El Salvador. He is where he belongs.

He was afraid of his own government and of his gang. Why are we allowing protected status to horrible gang members who leave dead bodies of innocents to show their power?
Many Salvadorans are pleased with their president and how he is making going to the grocery store less stressful, rather than Squid Games.
I call this a good error for us.

He was not in MS13. God forbid one day the government come after you or your family member because they have a tattoo that *looks* like a gang tatto.

People say he is not in MS13, then turn around and argue it is torture to send him to a prison that has rival gangs.

'
Who said anything about rival gangs?

The judge in the order to return him.

Stop lying. The judge did not say that he was in a rival gang. She was characterizing the governments argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
This is the United States. Our jurisprudence, our entire system of justice, due process in particular, is premised on the value statement: it is better for 10 guilty to go free than 1 innocent person be unjustly imprisoned. This is called Blackstone's Ratio, and it is also the premise of the British system. Our founding fathers repeated this principle over and over again. The people who believe the opposite are call "authoritarian," and we rejected them way back in the 1700s.

I'm not aware of it being called Blackstone's Ratio. That would imply that a 9% error rate or below is acceptable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is literally the case; I do not care about it, nor should anyone else. I don't think it was a mistake; it might have been an "error," but come on, this is an MS-13 member. Not a kindergartner who ended up in prison in El Salvador. He is where he belongs.

He was afraid of his own government and of his gang. Why are we allowing protected status to horrible gang members who leave dead bodies of innocents to show their power?
Many Salvadorans are pleased with their president and how he is making going to the grocery store less stressful, rather than Squid Games.
I call this a good error for us.

He was not in MS13. God forbid one day the government come after you or your family member because they have a tattoo that *looks* like a gang tatto.

People say he is not in MS13, then turn around and argue it is torture to send him to a prison that has rival gangs.

'
Who said anything about rival gangs?

The judge in the order to return him.

Stop lying. The judge did not say that he was in a rival gang. She was characterizing the governments argument.

The judge said the prison had rival gangs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This is the United States. Our jurisprudence, our entire system of justice, due process in particular, is premised on the value statement: it is better for 10 guilty to go free than 1 innocent person be unjustly imprisoned. This is called Blackstone's Ratio, and it is also the premise of the British system. Our founding fathers repeated this principle over and over again. The people who believe the opposite are call "authoritarian," and we rejected them way back in the 1700s.

I'm not aware of it being called Blackstone's Ratio. That would imply that a 9% error rate or below is acceptable.

Omg, you don’t understand this principle at all. It’s not about error rates. It’s specifically about erring on the side of protecting innocent people.

[Anonymous]

Okay, so let's go with the PP's premise that mistakes will be made. WHY is the administration ACTIVELY fighting to rectify the error?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Okay, so let's go with the PP's premise that mistakes will be made. WHY is the administration ACTIVELY fighting to rectify the error?

+1 exactly, if it’s mistake, bring him back, give him his due process and deport him without sending him to prison.