Protests on college campuses

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am betting this Jewish donor wishes he/she had not funded this full ride.

I don’t see her endorsing Hamas at all. She’s asking for divestment. She called what Israel is doing “a genocide,” which I think is a debatable term. But, nothing references loyalty to Hamas.

Who are the harpies on this thread?

DP. So is she going to divest herself from her scholarship?

Yeah, didn't think so.

I didn’t click into the thread. It sounds like they’ll take away her scholarship, so one side divesting.

[Anonymous]

People need to stop buying into the argument that any protest against the actions of the government of Israel automatically equates to antisemitism. It's a cheap, cynical mechanism to avoid debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People need to stop buying into the argument that any protest against the actions of the government of Israel automatically equates to antisemitism. It's a cheap, cynical mechanism to avoid debate.

I haven't seen anyone say that.
What I have seen is examples of antisemitic rhetoric being said and seen at these protests.

You have to admit that not every protest against Israel is peaceful and lawful. And, that many of them are antisemitic.
More importantly, some of these protests praise the terrorists and the countries that harbor them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People need to stop buying into the argument that any protest against the actions of the government of Israel automatically equates to antisemitism. It's a cheap, cynical mechanism to avoid debate.

I haven't seen anyone say that.
What I have seen is examples of antisemitic rhetoric being said and seen at these protests.

You have to admit that not every protest against Israel is peaceful and lawful. And, that many of them are antisemitic.
More importantly, some of these protests praise the terrorists and the countries that harbor them.

We have seen overwhelming number of examples of Islamophobia and violent agitators.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am betting this Jewish donor wishes he/she had not funded this full ride.

I don’t see her endorsing Hamas at all. She’s asking for divestment. She called what Israel is doing “a genocide,” which I think is a debatable term. But, nothing references loyalty to Hamas.

Who are the harpies on this thread?

DP. So is she going to divest herself from her scholarship?

Yeah, didn't think so.

Please be clear here so we aren’t called Antisemetic. Being a Jew makes one a representative of the State of Israel and a co-signer of it’s policies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am betting this Jewish donor wishes he/she had not funded this full ride.

I don’t see her endorsing Hamas at all. She’s asking for divestment. She called what Israel is doing “a genocide,” which I think is a debatable term. But, nothing references loyalty to Hamas.

Who are the harpies on this thread?

The Hamas-splaining began on October 9 when Yale’s chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, a left-wing legal group, endorsed a statement affirming the right of Palestinians to resist “occupation by all available means.” The statement, which was sent to the student-wide listserv by first-year law student Chisato Kimura, didn’t just call for “armed struggle” against the “Settler Colonial State of Israel.” It said that Hamas should be delisted as a terrorist group.

“We call for all Palestinian and Lebanese resistance organizations to be removed from the U.S. list of ‘Foreign Terrorist Organizations’ and ‘Specially Designated Global Terrorists,’ ” the statement read. “These lists allow for the persecution, criminalization, and economic coercion of people resisting apartheid, genocide, and colonialism.”

https://www.thefp.com/p/yale-law-students-for-hamas

+1

She clearly and unambiguously supports Hamas.

Can't believe that this is allowed at any private institution. She ought to be expelled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People need to stop buying into the argument that any protest against the actions of the government of Israel automatically equates to antisemitism. It's a cheap, cynical mechanism to avoid debate.

I haven't seen anyone say that.
What I have seen is examples of antisemitic rhetoric being said and seen at these protests.

You have to admit that not every protest against Israel is peaceful and lawful. And, that many of them are antisemitic.
More importantly, some of these protests praise the terrorists and the countries that harbor them.

We have seen overwhelming number of examples of Islamophobia and violent agitators.

Oh neat, so we can look forward to protestors showing still frames of "outside agitators" just like the J6 insurrectionists. These protestors were arrested for failure to leave, violence, and hate speech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People need to stop buying into the argument that any protest against the actions of the government of Israel automatically equates to antisemitism. It's a cheap, cynical mechanism to avoid debate.

I haven't seen anyone say that.
What I have seen is examples of antisemitic rhetoric being said and seen at these protests.

You have to admit that not every protest against Israel is peaceful and lawful. And, that many of them are antisemitic.
More importantly, some of these protests praise the terrorists and the countries that harbor them.

+1

I've seen limited antisemitism, BUT have seen LOTS of (a) support for terrorism, and (b) even more calls for the elimination/abolition of Israel, regardless of the will of the Israeli people or the consequences for them.

These may not be "antisemitism" per se, but they are awful.

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To be sure, there's prob some who are anti-sem and some sincere about their reasons for limiting war. That's just how it goes when there's like thousands involved no? I mean it's not like all of them or either/or.

However, the overarching sentiment is I think right. What the US govt doing is helping to fund and support innocents being killed over an act that happened months ago. Yes that act was wrong and mortifyingly horrible but the current actions have no justification either. You can kill the bad guys but if you're killing the good guys at the same time ON PURPOSE, you know, in the movies that means we're not rooting for you anymore!

I think what the students are doing is what all students on college campuses do - taking a stand for what they believe in - however that looks to be wrong or right. To those who talk about the differences between Vietnam protests and this - I totally disagree. Many back then were angry about those protests - they said that to go against our troops when we were already committed was wrong. In hindsight, the war probably wasn't the best thing to engage in. We are questioning now a war that the US is involved in - by proxy - we are fighting not with troops but with our money. That is really the same concept. We are involving ourselves in a manner posing a moral dilemma.

This is going to be an issue for some time I feel. Israel isn't going to quit what they are doing. We're going to continue to debate how we feel about it. As long as Biden remain in office as he's not going to draw that line clearly - he's too political.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People need to stop buying into the argument that any protest against the actions of the government of Israel automatically equates to antisemitism. It's a cheap, cynical mechanism to avoid debate.

Yes, it shuts down debate. That’s the whole point. Israel’s supporters have been doing that for decades. “Oh, you support Palestinians? Then you support terrorists!” No, we don’t support terrorists. We support the Palestinian people who have been suffering for decades under a brutal Israeli military occupation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Better question: should this student be condemned/punished?

My answer: Yes

Universities (private) should adopt a simple standard: anyone who celebrates/calls for violence against civilians will be punished.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People need to stop buying into the argument that any protest against the actions of the government of Israel automatically equates to antisemitism. It's a cheap, cynical mechanism to avoid debate.

Yes, it shuts down debate. That’s the whole point. Israel’s supporters have been doing that for decades. “Oh, you support Palestinians? Then you support terrorists!” No, we don’t support terrorists. We support the Palestinian people who have been suffering for decades under a brutal Israeli military occupation.

If the one happen to be the other, then what?