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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Too bad this thread went off the rails. It actually started as a good faith discussion [/quote]

And as with most threads here, atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion and calling everyone [i]not[/i] an atheist a kook. They’re drawn to it like moths to porch light. It’s fetishistic. [/quote]

+1 it’s obsessive [/quote]

Are you kidding?  Do you see the topic of this thread?[/quote]

DP and the thread title is obvious--you're the one who missed it. Do you have an opinion on the "mistranslation" in the thread title, or are you just here to carp?[/quote]

Nahh you didn't even read what you are responding to.

The part about "atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion".

The very topic thread insinuates there might be mistakes in the bible.[/quote]

So you didn't read OP's links. Got it.[/quote]

OP had one link.  The first line was "What if all the anti-gay, homophobic rhetoric that has come from the Christian right over these past few decades was rooted in a mistranslation of the Bible?"

All we've been discussing is that part of the bible it refers to, and the homophobic rhetoric it refers to, many examples of which we have seen in this thread.

Sorry if that doesn't fit the narrative you wanted.

Also "got it".  So trite, silly and childish.  No one who tries that dishonest BS is interested in "a good faith discussion".

Good night.

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That is taking one sentence out of the documentary promo blurb and not referencing OP’s invitation to broder discussion of issues related to mistranslations or narrowly dogmatic interpretations of biblical scripture (and out of social historical contexts)   - so no that one line is not all we are talking about.

OP
“This recent doc makes sense to me. I am a straight Christian but value being part of a welcoming inclusive church. Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality, many historians believe ast Owul’s condemnation was referring to ancient Roman practice of older men exploiting young boys (pedophilia) rather than homosexuality between consenting adults. The oft quoted Leviticus scriptures were in context of seemly conduct for the Temple - and if the reference to homosexuality being an abomination were a mistranslation, that makes sense to me.

We are all made in God’s image.

Did Christian homophobia come from a mistranslation of the Bible?

https://amp.theguardian.c...ocumentary

A new documentary challenges an alleged 1946 mistranslation that helped lead to a justification for Christian anti-gayness
Vivian Ho
Fri 1 Dec 2023

What if all the anti-gay, homophobic rhetoric that has come from the Christian right over these past few decades was rooted in a mistranslation of the Bible?
In the documentary, 1946: The Mistranslation that Shifted Culture, researchers and scholars delve into the 1946 mistranslation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 and explore how it fuelled the Christian anti-gay movement that still thrives today”.[/quote]

None of that show the posts here even a tiny bit off topic.  They are spot on.

You criticize the on-topic atheists because you don't like their points but you let the homophobes who use the bible to justify their bigotry off scot-free.

That says all I need to know about you.

/ not going away[/quote]

Forgot to say DP - I was not criticizing atheists posting here but taking issue with the way OP’s post was reduced to one line from the documentary summary promo.

That said, it is a religion discussion forum not politics. Atheists should feel welcome to discuss relevant issues. However, I can see why both religious and agnostic/ atheistic types may feel frustrated with high levels of animosity.

I am religious but strongly believe in division of church and state. It is alarming seeing my religion exploited for cynical political purposes and to create unnecessary social divisions. Specifically in this thread - homophobia.

Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality but plenty to say about injustices, hypocrisy and lack of compassion. Saint Paul took issue with homosexuals but biblical scholars believe he was referring to ancient Roman practices of adult men exploiting boys in unequal relationships.

So all this Christian homophobia that makes life miserable for so many youth growing up in literally minded Christian homes had to come from somewhere. Where does it come from theologically? [/quote]

NP. Most Christian traditions have taught until very recently (and many Christian traditions still teach) that sex outside of marriage is a sin and that marriage is between one man and one woman. Under these rules, homosexual behavior is a sin because it can't take place in a marriage that is recognized by those churches. Christian traditions that oppose gay marriage point to the story of Adam and Eve in Genesis as the basis for God's design of marriage. I don't understand why there is confusion about the origins of this theologically considering that it was the default position of most 
Christian churches until very recently and gay marriage was not even on most people's radar as an issue less than a generation ago.[/quote]

For starters, the majority of mainstream non evangelical Christians are not literally minded about the Bible and have not been for a very long time.

I don’t know any Christians who regard the obviously symbolic Adam and Eve story as justification for homophobia or narrow minded views on the sanctity of marriage.

Many churches, including mine, work hard to welcome, include and honor church members who identify on the GTLQ+ spectrum.

Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality but plenty to say about many topics. He taught that all the laws in the Old Testament (such as 10 commandments and prescriptions for temple behavior) are fulfilled by loving God with all one’s heart and mind and loving others as yourself. That includes gays and everyone else made in God’s image:

I don’t understand why any Christians justify homophobia as theologically sound. [/quote]

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