College Football--Big Ten Expansion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seven (7) ACC schools seeking to leave ACC: Clemson, FSU, Virginia, Va Tech, UNC, NC State, U Miami.

The 8th school could be Georgia Tech which offers the Atlanta media market & Georgia recruiting grounds to the Big Ten.

Operating on the assumption that these 7 ACC universities know what is best for their respective school.

Also, there has been discussion about the Big 12 wanting to create a coast-to-coast conference. NC State and Va Tech would be great candidates for the Big 12 Conference.

This scenario reveals a Power 3, rather than Power 5, football conferences.

If the Big10 is taking GT and everyone knows it, where do UNC and UVA land? The Big10 won't take all three. Unless the presidents are incompetent or arrogant, they have to be asking themselves those questions. 8 votes to dissolve when there are 6 spots between the SEC, Big10, and Big12 is a hell of a gamble for the schools who are toss ups and universities tend to be risk adverse

Unclear, but UNC & Virginia offer academic prestige and strong basketball programs. Depends upon how much the Big Ten Conference wants a presence in the states of Virginia & North Carolina.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seven (7) ACC schools seeking to leave ACC: Clemson, FSU, Virginia, Va Tech, UNC, NC State, U Miami.

The 8th school could be Georgia Tech which offers the Atlanta media market & Georgia recruiting grounds to the Big Ten.

Operating on the assumption that these 7 ACC universities know what is best for their respective school.

Also, there has been discussion about the Big 12 wanting to create a coast-to-coast conference. NC State and Va Tech would be great candidates for the Big 12 Conference.

This scenario reveals a Power 3, rather than Power 5, football conferences.

If the Big10 is taking GT and everyone knows it, where do UNC and UVA land? The Big10 won't take all three. Unless the presidents are incompetent or arrogant, they have to be asking themselves those questions. 8 votes to dissolve when there are 6 spots between the SEC, Big10, and Big12 is a hell of a gamble for the schools who are toss ups and universities tend to be risk adverse

Unclear, but UNC & Virginia offer academic prestige and strong basketball programs. Depends upon how much the Big Ten Conference wants a presence in the states of Virginia & North Carolina.

Depends is a lot to risk being a P5 program over. I just don't see the Big10 taking Miami, GT, UNC, and UVA.

[Anonymous]

Unc and UVA will not be politically permitted to leave larger/more alumni NC state And Virginia Tech in a “bag of dicks” conference. They are trapped by GOR and have smaller alumni bases necessary for the Big Ten of today. I think it will be hard for them in 2036 when the GOR expires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unc and UVA will not be politically permitted to leave larger/more alumni NC state And Virginia Tech in a “bag of dicks” conference. They are trapped by GOR and have smaller alumni bases necessary for the Big Ten of today. I think it will be hard for them in 2036 when the GOR expires.

Curious as to how you would describe the ACC conference which locked themselves into an idiotic GOR contract.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unc and UVA will not be politically permitted to leave larger/more alumni NC state And Virginia Tech in a “bag of dicks” conference. They are trapped by GOR and have smaller alumni bases necessary for the Big Ten of today. I think it will be hard for them in 2036 when the GOR expires.

The Big Ten or SEC payout to any state school in Virginia or in North Carolina would be more than double the payout received from the current ACC contract. I suspect that the politicians and the populace can live with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unc and UVA will not be politically permitted to leave larger/more alumni NC state And Virginia Tech in a “bag of dicks” conference. They are trapped by GOR and have smaller alumni bases necessary for the Big Ten of today. I think it will be hard for them in 2036 when the GOR expires.

The Big Ten or SEC payout to any state school in Virginia or in North Carolina would be more than double the payout received from the current ACC contract. I suspect that the politicians and the populace can live with that.

+1 VT and NCST could get their version of Calimony

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As pointed out earlier in this thread, the ideal mates for the Big Ten Conference are Notre Dame, the University of Texas, and the University of Florida.

Additionally, the University of Washington is a great match for Big Ten academics, research, and athletics.

To expand from the current 16 member schools (including USC & UCLA), the 8 additional teams to make the Big Ten a 24 team conference might be from this group of universities:

Notre Dame
U Florida (assuming FSU to SEC upsets U Florida enough to leave the SEC)
U Texas (unlikely to happen w/o U Oklahoma--which Big Ten won't accept)
U Washington (incredible match for the Big Ten)
U Oregon (Nike power)

Stanford (maybe)
UCal-Berkeley (maybe)
Univ. of Utah (less than maybe)
UNC
Virginia
U Miami (maybe)

My belief is that U Washington & U Oregon are highly likely to be offered by the Big Ten Conference.

Notre Dame, U Texas, & U Florida would almost certainly be accepted if those schools expressed interest AND IF the Big Ten could avoid a war with the SEC. The SEC might be happy with Clemson & FSU as a replacement for a disgruntled U Florida. If Texas moved to the Big Ten, the SEC would almost certainly grab U Miami.

No way the Big Ten goes over 20 the money begins to get lower per member. Texas, ND and Florida would pull their weight bringing in 100 million per year each which is what the current deal per school is at. Washington can’t bring in that amount by might be added to help UCLA / USC.

West

UCLA
USC
Washington
Texas
Nebraska
Iowa
Minnesota
Northwestern
Illinois
Purdue

East

Wisconsin
Indiana
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Rutgers
Penn State
Maryland
Florida

[Anonymous]

That East division ^^^ my goodness a black and blue juggernaut

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As pointed out earlier in this thread, the ideal mates for the Big Ten Conference are Notre Dame, the University of Texas, and the University of Florida.

Additionally, the University of Washington is a great match for Big Ten academics, research, and athletics.

To expand from the current 16 member schools (including USC & UCLA), the 8 additional teams to make the Big Ten a 24 team conference might be from this group of universities:

Notre Dame
U Florida (assuming FSU to SEC upsets U Florida enough to leave the SEC)
U Texas (unlikely to happen w/o U Oklahoma--which Big Ten won't accept)
U Washington (incredible match for the Big Ten)
U Oregon (Nike power)

Stanford (maybe)
UCal-Berkeley (maybe)
Univ. of Utah (less than maybe)
UNC
Virginia
U Miami (maybe)

My belief is that U Washington & U Oregon are highly likely to be offered by the Big Ten Conference.

Notre Dame, U Texas, & U Florida would almost certainly be accepted if those schools expressed interest AND IF the Big Ten could avoid a war with the SEC. The SEC might be happy with Clemson & FSU as a replacement for a disgruntled U Florida. If Texas moved to the Big Ten, the SEC would almost certainly grab U Miami.

No way the Big Ten goes over 20 the money begins to get lower per member. Texas, ND and Florida would pull their weight bringing in 100 million per year each which is what the current deal per school is at. Washington can’t bring in that amount by might be added to help UCLA / USC.

West

UCLA
USC
Washington
Texas
Nebraska
Iowa
Minnesota
Northwestern
Illinois
Purdue

East

Wisconsin
Indiana
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Rutgers
Penn State
Maryland
Florida

there is also no way that Texas and Florida leave the SEC or that any school is bringing in 100 million per year on its own, but if we're playing pretend...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:B1G has Shanghai’d the 5 largest media markets

NYC
LA
Chicago
DC Balt
Philly

They don’t need to do anything for a long time. All the schools falling behind are desperately creating self serving drama and spinning nonsense. The Big Ten schools are ready to tone it down and enjoy the massive windfall. Truly a great conference that is cohesive from having a philosophy of generally large public schools with huge research funding. There is a huge question about the limit number of members before there is diminishing returns. 16 appears ok but you get to a point where you can’t play everybody and the payout per school drops. Seems like 18 may be the max. If the Big ten got Notre Dame then they may take Washington and end it. Otherwise stay put or try for Florida and Texas.

24 will be the max, with pods that help address the travel issue. For example for the B1G:

Pod 1: Washington, Oregon, UCLA, USC, Utah, Arizona.
Pod 2: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern.
Pod 3: Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, MSU, Ohio State, Penn State.
Pod 4: Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, UNC, Clemson, Florida State.

If it were Notre Dame instead of Utah, then you move Nebraska and Purdue up one pod each and call it a day.

The Big Ten Conference does not appear to have any interest in the University of Arizona--even though it is an AAU member.

University of Utah has been vetted by the Big Ten--but no further word regarding clearance.

Clemson & FSU are SEC material; the University of Florida is Big Ten Conference compatible.

What about Stanford & UCal-Berkeley ?

You missed the part that said "for example"

Yes, IMO, Stanford, Cal, Miami, GaTech and others would be on the table.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As pointed out earlier in this thread, the ideal mates for the Big Ten Conference are Notre Dame, the University of Texas, and the University of Florida.

Additionally, the University of Washington is a great match for Big Ten academics, research, and athletics.

To expand from the current 16 member schools (including USC & UCLA), the 8 additional teams to make the Big Ten a 24 team conference might be from this group of universities:

Notre Dame
U Florida (assuming FSU to SEC upsets U Florida enough to leave the SEC)
U Texas (unlikely to happen w/o U Oklahoma--which Big Ten won't accept)
U Washington (incredible match for the Big Ten)
U Oregon (Nike power)

Stanford (maybe)
UCal-Berkeley (maybe)
Univ. of Utah (less than maybe)
UNC
Virginia
U Miami (maybe)

My belief is that U Washington & U Oregon are highly likely to be offered by the Big Ten Conference.

Notre Dame, U Texas, & U Florida would almost certainly be accepted if those schools expressed interest AND IF the Big Ten could avoid a war with the SEC. The SEC might be happy with Clemson & FSU as a replacement for a disgruntled U Florida. If Texas moved to the Big Ten, the SEC would almost certainly grab U Miami.

No way the Big Ten goes over 20 the money begins to get lower per member. Texas, ND and Florida would pull their weight bringing in 100 million per year each which is what the current deal per school is at. Washington can’t bring in that amount by might be added to help UCLA / USC.

West

UCLA
USC
Washington
Texas
Nebraska
Iowa
Minnesota
Northwestern
Illinois
Purdue

East

Wisconsin
Indiana
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Rutgers
Penn State
Maryland
Florida

there is also no way that Texas and Florida leave the SEC or that any school is bringing in 100 million per year on its own, but if we're playing pretend...

A Big Ten Notre Dame could generate that much additional revenue for the Big Ten Conference from its first year of membership.

If, for example, Notre Dame joined the Big Ten Conference, the Big Ten could mandate that each member school play anywhere from 10 to 12 of 12 regular season games against conference opponents. This would keep more money in the conference with the enormous added attraction of Notre Dame. Essentially, the Big Ten Conference as a whole is worth much more than the sum of its parts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As pointed out earlier in this thread, the ideal mates for the Big Ten Conference are Notre Dame, the University of Texas, and the University of Florida.

Additionally, the University of Washington is a great match for Big Ten academics, research, and athletics.

To expand from the current 16 member schools (including USC & UCLA), the 8 additional teams to make the Big Ten a 24 team conference might be from this group of universities:

Notre Dame
U Florida (assuming FSU to SEC upsets U Florida enough to leave the SEC)
U Texas (unlikely to happen w/o U Oklahoma--which Big Ten won't accept)
U Washington (incredible match for the Big Ten)
U Oregon (Nike power)

Stanford (maybe)
UCal-Berkeley (maybe)
Univ. of Utah (less than maybe)
UNC
Virginia
U Miami (maybe)

My belief is that U Washington & U Oregon are highly likely to be offered by the Big Ten Conference.

Notre Dame, U Texas, & U Florida would almost certainly be accepted if those schools expressed interest AND IF the Big Ten could avoid a war with the SEC. The SEC might be happy with Clemson & FSU as a replacement for a disgruntled U Florida. If Texas moved to the Big Ten, the SEC would almost certainly grab U Miami.

No way the Big Ten goes over 20 the money begins to get lower per member. Texas, ND and Florida would pull their weight bringing in 100 million per year each which is what the current deal per school is at. Washington can’t bring in that amount by might be added to help UCLA / USC.

West

UCLA
USC
Washington
Texas
Nebraska
Iowa
Minnesota
Northwestern
Illinois
Purdue

East

Wisconsin
Indiana
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Rutgers
Penn State
Maryland
Florida

there is also no way that Texas and Florida leave the SEC or that any school is bringing in 100 million per year on its own, but if we're playing pretend...

You should have used the word "or" instead of "and".

We all might be surprised at the informal conversations going on at this time. Very surprised.

Additionally, UF is a better fir for the more academically oriented Big Ten--especially if the SEC upsets U Florida by adding recruiting competition of FSU and/or U Miami.

[Anonymous]

The Big Ten has outmaneuvered the SEC by being national, locking down the biggest media markets, locking down schools with huge research budgets and huge alumni bases. It it making more money per member now and will increase going forward. It can very realistically poach Texas and Florida offering more money, a better academic rep and a more coherent group of institutions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As pointed out earlier in this thread, the ideal mates for the Big Ten Conference are Notre Dame, the University of Texas, and the University of Florida.

Additionally, the University of Washington is a great match for Big Ten academics, research, and athletics.

To expand from the current 16 member schools (including USC & UCLA), the 8 additional teams to make the Big Ten a 24 team conference might be from this group of universities:

Notre Dame
U Florida (assuming FSU to SEC upsets U Florida enough to leave the SEC)
U Texas (unlikely to happen w/o U Oklahoma--which Big Ten won't accept)
U Washington (incredible match for the Big Ten)
U Oregon (Nike power)

Stanford (maybe)
UCal-Berkeley (maybe)
Univ. of Utah (less than maybe)
UNC
Virginia
U Miami (maybe)

My belief is that U Washington & U Oregon are highly likely to be offered by the Big Ten Conference.

Notre Dame, U Texas, & U Florida would almost certainly be accepted if those schools expressed interest AND IF the Big Ten could avoid a war with the SEC. The SEC might be happy with Clemson & FSU as a replacement for a disgruntled U Florida. If Texas moved to the Big Ten, the SEC would almost certainly grab U Miami.

No way the Big Ten goes over 20 the money begins to get lower per member. Texas, ND and Florida would pull their weight bringing in 100 million per year each which is what the current deal per school is at. Washington can’t bring in that amount by might be added to help UCLA / USC.

West

UCLA
USC
Washington
Texas
Nebraska
Iowa
Minnesota
Northwestern
Illinois
Purdue

East

Wisconsin
Indiana
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Rutgers
Penn State
Maryland
Florida

Regarding the bolded part above:

Money can increase up to 24 member schools. Just mandate that 11 of 12 regular season games must be played against conference opponents. Keeps more money in the conference and results in even more TV viewership for conference member schools.

24 members makes more sense than 20 members as 10 school divisions are too large. 24 members would allow the Big Ten to create 4 six team divisions or three 8 team divisions. Can have a four team conference playoff (either 4 division winners or 3 division winners plus the non-division winner with the highest national ranking or best conference record.

[Anonymous]

Interesting article from the Tallahassee Democrat:

https://tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/2023/08/01/fsu-big-10-what-we-know-acc-conference-realignment/70506689007/

Deadline is in 2 weeks = August 15, 2023