College Football--Big Ten Expansion

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry[i][u].

What? No. USC would have been the lure, not Stanford. The ND-USC rivalry is far stronger and longer than ND-Stanford.

USC was the lure that failed so the Big Ten Conference invited UCLA since ND said no.

But, the point is that as many rivals of Notre Dame are and become members of the Big Ten Conference, Notre Dame will run into scheduling problems as large conferences require more in-conference opponents; this is why USC joined the Big Ten Conference with the stipulation that it (USC) be allowed to play Notre Dame each year.

I absolutely agree with that. And Stanford has nothing to do with it. If the ACC collapses so they need a home for other sports, or if enough teams stop scheduling ND, that's when it will join the Big 10. Whatever The Tree school does won't have any impact.

Big ten could kick out ND hockey.

They like having ND in the hockey conference just as they like having Hopkins in the Lax conference.

I was just saying if they wanted to put more pressure on ND. B1G has 6 other hockey teams and is plenty stable.

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As pointed out earlier in this thread, the ideal mates for the Big Ten Conference are Notre Dame, the University of Texas, and the University of Florida.

Additionally, the University of Washington is a great match for Big Ten academics, research, and athletics.

To expand from the current 16 member schools (including USC & UCLA), the 8 additional teams to make the Big Ten a 24 team conference might be from this group of universities:

Notre Dame
U Florida (assuming FSU to SEC upsets U Florida enough to leave the SEC)
U Texas (unlikely to happen w/o U Oklahoma--which Big Ten won't accept)
U Washington (incredible match for the Big Ten)
U Oregon (Nike power)

Stanford (maybe)
UCal-Berkeley (maybe)
Univ. of Utah (less than maybe)
UNC
Virginia
U Miami (maybe)

My belief is that U Washington & U Oregon are highly likely to be offered by the Big Ten Conference.

Notre Dame, U Texas, & U Florida would almost certainly be accepted if those schools expressed interest AND IF the Big Ten could avoid a war with the SEC. The SEC might be happy with Clemson & FSU as a replacement for a disgruntled U Florida. If Texas moved to the Big Ten, the SEC would almost certainly grab U Miami.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry[i][u].

What? No. USC would have been the lure, not Stanford. The ND-USC rivalry is far stronger and longer than ND-Stanford.

USC was the lure that failed so the Big Ten Conference invited UCLA since ND said no.

But, the point is that as many rivals of Notre Dame are and become members of the Big Ten Conference, Notre Dame will run into scheduling problems as large conferences require more in-conference opponents; this is why USC joined the Big Ten Conference with the stipulation that it (USC) be allowed to play Notre Dame each year.

I absolutely agree with that. And Stanford has nothing to do with it. If the ACC collapses so they need a home for other sports, or if enough teams stop scheduling ND, that's when it will join the Big 10. Whatever The Tree school does won't have any impact.

Big ten could kick out ND hockey.

They like having ND in the hockey conference just as they like having Hopkins in the Lax conference.

I was just saying if they wanted to put more pressure on ND. B1G has 6 other hockey teams and is plenty stable.

I understand, but the Big Ten Conference likes Notre Dame. No need to be petty or to apply inappropriate pressure on a highly coveted target school. Even if Notre Dame joined the SEC, the Big Ten Conference would & should allow ND ice hockey to remain in the Big Ten.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Syracuse/ACC fan I am hoping the ACC will hold. I have little hope that ND will come in and rescue the conference (perhaps in tandem with its traditional rival Stanford).

PO'd to see that the B12 is much more active in trying to position itself as the #3 conference.

I think B10 stays as is for the moment. I was reluctant to believe the rumor yesterday that Oregon, Washington, Clemson and FSU were going to the B10. Oregon and Washington maybe. I think if the B10 were to grab two ACC teams it would be UNC and Miami. Clemson and FSU just seem a better cultural fit with the SEC.

the ACC is odd in that it is both the most stable in the short term and has an expiration date in the long term

The ACC panicked when it signed its last TV rights (GOR) deal.

That GoR is why the ACC isn't losing Clemson and FSU and having to backfill with JMU or Coastal Carolina

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Anonymous wrote:As a Syracuse/ACC fan I am hoping the ACC will hold. I have little hope that ND will come in and rescue the conference (perhaps in tandem with its traditional rival Stanford).

PO'd to see that the B12 is much more active in trying to position itself as the #3 conference.

I think B10 stays as is for the moment. I was reluctant to believe the rumor yesterday that Oregon, Washington, Clemson and FSU were going to the B10. Oregon and Washington maybe. I think if the B10 were to grab two ACC teams it would be UNC and Miami. Clemson and FSU just seem a better cultural fit with the SEC.

the ACC is odd in that it is both the most stable in the short term and has an expiration date in the long term

The ACC panicked when it signed its last TV rights (GOR) deal.

That GoR is why the ACC isn't losing Clemson and FSU and having to backfill with JMU or Coastal Carolina

Seven (7) ACC schools are trying to exit the ACC. Another article (I posted the link earlier) indicated that if eight (8) of the current 14 member schools wanted out of the ACC, then the GOR contract could be voided. Not sure if this is true, but it does make sense as otherwise the ACC signing of a GOR contract through 2036 was beyond foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Syracuse/ACC fan I am hoping the ACC will hold. I have little hope that ND will come in and rescue the conference (perhaps in tandem with its traditional rival Stanford).

PO'd to see that the B12 is much more active in trying to position itself as the #3 conference.

I think B10 stays as is for the moment. I was reluctant to believe the rumor yesterday that Oregon, Washington, Clemson and FSU were going to the B10. Oregon and Washington maybe. I think if the B10 were to grab two ACC teams it would be UNC and Miami. Clemson and FSU just seem a better cultural fit with the SEC.

the ACC is odd in that it is both the most stable in the short term and has an expiration date in the long term

The ACC panicked when it signed its last TV rights (GOR) deal.

That GoR is why the ACC isn't losing Clemson and FSU and having to backfill with JMU or Coastal Carolina

Seven (7) ACC schools are trying to exit the ACC. Another article (I posted the link earlier) indicated that if eight (8) of the current 14 member schools wanted out of the ACC, then the GOR contract could be voided. Not sure if this is true, but it does make sense as otherwise the ACC signing of a GOR contract through 2036 was beyond foolish.

By article do you mean lightly sourced fan blog? Go though the ACC schools and list the ones who would be better off outside of the ACC and you aren't getting to 8

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Beyond foolish and self-destructive as other conferences (SEC, Big Ten, & Big 12) enjoy significantly more wealth generated by media GOR contracts. The ACC schools will have less funds and this will adversely affect ability to recruit top athletes to ACC schools.

Maybe the ACC can scrape together $50 billion and buy ESPN from Disney. Problem solved.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Syracuse/ACC fan I am hoping the ACC will hold. I have little hope that ND will come in and rescue the conference (perhaps in tandem with its traditional rival Stanford).

PO'd to see that the B12 is much more active in trying to position itself as the #3 conference.

I think B10 stays as is for the moment. I was reluctant to believe the rumor yesterday that Oregon, Washington, Clemson and FSU were going to the B10. Oregon and Washington maybe. I think if the B10 were to grab two ACC teams it would be UNC and Miami. Clemson and FSU just seem a better cultural fit with the SEC.

the ACC is odd in that it is both the most stable in the short term and has an expiration date in the long term

The ACC panicked when it signed its last TV rights (GOR) deal.

That GoR is why the ACC isn't losing Clemson and FSU and having to backfill with JMU or Coastal Carolina

Seven (7) ACC schools are trying to exit the ACC. Another article (I posted the link earlier) indicated that if eight (8) of the current 14 member schools wanted out of the ACC, then the GOR contract could be voided. Not sure if this is true, but it does make sense as otherwise the ACC signing of a GOR contract through 2036 was beyond foolish.

By article do you mean lightly sourced fan blog? Go though the ACC schools and list the ones who would be better off outside of the ACC and you aren't getting to 8

It is possible if the Big Ten Conference follows through on its vetting of Georgia Tech--which would be the 8th school.

https://si.com/college/ohiostate/news/ohio-state-buckeyes-big-ten-expansion-acc-pac-12-programs-dissovlement

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Syracuse/ACC fan I am hoping the ACC will hold. I have little hope that ND will come in and rescue the conference (perhaps in tandem with its traditional rival Stanford).

PO'd to see that the B12 is much more active in trying to position itself as the #3 conference.

I think B10 stays as is for the moment. I was reluctant to believe the rumor yesterday that Oregon, Washington, Clemson and FSU were going to the B10. Oregon and Washington maybe. I think if the B10 were to grab two ACC teams it would be UNC and Miami. Clemson and FSU just seem a better cultural fit with the SEC.

the ACC is odd in that it is both the most stable in the short term and has an expiration date in the long term

The ACC panicked when it signed its last TV rights (GOR) deal.

That GoR is why the ACC isn't losing Clemson and FSU and having to backfill with JMU or Coastal Carolina

Seven (7) ACC schools are trying to exit the ACC. Another article (I posted the link earlier) indicated that if eight (8) of the current 14 member schools wanted out of the ACC, then the GOR contract could be voided. Not sure if this is true, but it does make sense as otherwise the ACC signing of a GOR contract through 2036 was beyond foolish.

By article do you mean lightly sourced fan blog? Go though the ACC schools and list the ones who would be better off outside of the ACC and you aren't getting to 8

It is possible if the Big Ten Conference follows through on its vetting of Georgia Tech--which would be the 8th school.

https://si.com/college/ohiostate/news/ohio-state-buckeyes-big-ten-expansion-acc-pac-12-programs-dissovlement

GT, Clemson, FSU. Add in Miami and UNC. I don't believe NC State, UVA, and VT because there aren't landing sports for all of them and they know it. As bad as the ACC is, it's a lot better than the AAC

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Seven (7) ACC schools seeking to leave ACC: Clemson, FSU, Virginia, Va Tech, UNC, NC State, U Miami.

The 8th school could be Georgia Tech which offers the Atlanta media market & Georgia recruiting grounds to the Big Ten.

Operating on the assumption that these 7 ACC universities know what is best for their respective school.

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Apparently the Pac12 media deal being presented is Apple TV. All this time and the best they can do is pure streaming. Big 12 is going to be picking up more members shortly

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Anonymous wrote:Seven (7) ACC schools seeking to leave ACC: Clemson, FSU, Virginia, Va Tech, UNC, NC State, U Miami.

The 8th school could be Georgia Tech which offers the Atlanta media market & Georgia recruiting grounds to the Big Ten.

Operating on the assumption that these 7 ACC universities know what is best for their respective school.

Also, there has been discussion about the Big 12 wanting to create a coast-to-coast conference. NC State and Va Tech would be great candidates for the Big 12 Conference.

This scenario reveals a Power 3, rather than Power 5, football conferences.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently the Pac12 media deal being presented is Apple TV. All this time and the best they can do is pure streaming. Big 12 is going to be picking up more members shortly

Does it rely on pay-per-view in addition to subscription service ?

Agree that multiple schools are about to leave the Pac-12 to join the Big 12 and probably the Big Ten Conference.

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Anonymous wrote:Seven (7) ACC schools seeking to leave ACC: Clemson, FSU, Virginia, Va Tech, UNC, NC State, U Miami.

The 8th school could be Georgia Tech which offers the Atlanta media market & Georgia recruiting grounds to the Big Ten.

Operating on the assumption that these 7 ACC universities know what is best for their respective school.

Also, there has been discussion about the Big 12 wanting to create a coast-to-coast conference. NC State and Va Tech would be great candidates for the Big 12 Conference.

This scenario reveals a Power 3, rather than Power 5, football conferences.

If the Big10 is taking GT and everyone knows it, where do UNC and UVA land? The Big10 won't take all three. Unless the presidents are incompetent or arrogant, they have to be asking themselves those questions. 8 votes to dissolve when there are 6 spots between the SEC, Big10, and Big12 is a hell of a gamble for the schools who are toss ups and universities tend to be risk adverse

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Just checked the Pac-12 media rights update. NO DEAL has been reached. Best hope is Apple TV.

This is the end of the Pac-12 in its current state.

Arizona, ASU, & Utah are likely to leave for the Big 12 Conference.

U Washington & U Oregon to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford & UCal-Berkeley futures are unclear.

Oregon State U. and Washington State U. will be the biggest losers.