Why are teachers and nurses underpaid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:In my state, when you move school districts, the new district won't credit you for all your years teaching. I have 20+ years of public education experience and only get paid at the 13 year rate. I'm underpaid by about 25K.

This is something that even I as a teacher didn’t realize early in my career. You are not paid for experience if you move districts. It’s really unfortunate and part of the reason I won’t leave my current district because I would be leaving at least 8 years of experience on the table. It isn’t worth it.

This isn’t the case in a lot of places. I moved all over Virginia in the first half of my career and was always paid for my years of experience. This is something that greedy school systems do that only want young and cheap teachers they can brainwash with their toxic work culture.

How many years were you paid for? Most places will pay for some experience but once you hit a certain number of years they won’t honor those.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my state, when you move school districts, the new district won't credit you for all your years teaching. I have 20+ years of public education experience and only get paid at the 13 year rate. I'm underpaid by about 25K.

This is something that even I as a teacher didn’t realize early in my career. You are not paid for experience if you move districts. It’s really unfortunate and part of the reason I won’t leave my current district because I would be leaving at least 8 years of experience on the table. It isn’t worth it.

This isn’t the case in a lot of places. I moved all over Virginia in the first half of my career and was always paid for my years of experience. This is something that greedy school systems do that only want young and cheap teachers they can brainwash with their toxic work culture.

Yes. The first half. Most districts has maximum entry steps. For example, in Fairfax County it is step 13.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY23-teacher-195-day.pdf

[Anonymous]

You realize the cap on steps is something the unions negotiate, don't you? This is a good example of a case where the unions are more focused on making things worse for others than better for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Virginia doesn’t have teacher unions you maga trill

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You realize the cap on steps is something the unions negotiate, don't you? This is a good example of a case where the unions are more focused on making things worse for others than better for themselves.

NP but I’ve taught in two non union districts not in this area of the country. It was the same thing with a cap on the number of years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You realize the cap on steps is something the unions negotiate, don't you? This is a good example of a case where the unions are more focused on making things worse for others than better for themselves.

Are you talking about that FCPS scale? Fairfax County doesn’t have collective bargaining. There is no negotiating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You realize the cap on steps is something the unions negotiate, don't you? This is a good example of a case where the unions are more focused on making things worse for others than better for themselves.

Are you talking about that FCPS scale? Fairfax County doesn’t have collective bargaining. There is no negotiating.

I'm not entirely sure that these people can understand that these so-called unions in Virginia do not have collective bargaining rights... There seems to be something lacking in their intellect.

[Anonymous]

A teacher around here can expect to make $90k a few years in for essentially 9 months of work (given the endless summers plus all the other holidays). That means average salaries are really more like $120k on an annualized basis. Plus the value of the pension that will easily bump it to a $130-140k equivalent. Plus generous benefits of all sorts. Pretty good for a union job with 100% job security and where you get to go home at 3pm!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A teacher around here can expect to make $90k a few years in for essentially 9 months of work (given the endless summers plus all the other holidays). That means average salaries are really more like $120k on an annualized basis. Plus the value of the pension that will easily bump it to a $130-140k equivalent. Plus generous benefits of all sorts. Pretty good for a union job with 100% job security and where you get to go home at 3pm!

Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher around here can expect to make $90k a few years in for essentially 9 months of work (given the endless summers plus all the other holidays). That means average salaries are really more like $120k on an annualized basis. Plus the value of the pension that will easily bump it to a $130-140k equivalent. Plus generous benefits of all sorts. Pretty good for a union job with 100% job security and where you get to go home at 3pm!

Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.

I’ve been teaching 15 years and make below 90K. My summer is 7 weeks, not 3 months. And the best one… home at 3pm! Sure, just to do another 4-5 hours of work.

If it is such a great package, why do you think we are having this major shortage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A teacher around here can expect to make $90k a few years in for essentially 9 months of work (given the endless summers plus all the other holidays). That means average salaries are really more like $120k on an annualized basis. Plus the value of the pension that will easily bump it to a $130-140k equivalent. Plus generous benefits of all sorts. Pretty good for a union job with 100% job security and where you get to go home at 3pm!

Where is “around here”? How many years are “a few years in”?

This ranks right there with the “retire after 20 years, free healthcare, union negotiated” posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher around here can expect to make $90k a few years in for essentially 9 months of work (given the endless summers plus all the other holidays). That means average salaries are really more like $120k on an annualized basis. Plus the value of the pension that will easily bump it to a $130-140k equivalent. Plus generous benefits of all sorts. Pretty good for a union job with 100% job security and where you get to go home at 3pm!

Where is “around here”? How many years are “a few years in”?

This ranks right there with the “retire after 20 years, free healthcare, union negotiated” posts.

Oh give it up, that trope about the underpaid teacher is getting seriously old.

https://www.aei.org/articles/the-truth-about-teacher-pay/

"It is clear that the widely cited 21% teacher salary gap is a meaningless statistic. Furthermore, predictions generated by the underpaid-teacher hypothesis fail to be borne out by the data: Teachers rarely quit their jobs and, when they do, rarely cite low pay as the reason; only a tiny percentage of teachers’ salaries come from second jobs, and that percentage has been falling over time; there is no generalized teacher shortage; most teachers live comfortable middle-class lives; and teaching is not more stressful or time-consuming than the average job. Over and over again, we fail to find evidence that teachers as a group are underpaid.

"It is more likely that workers in public education are on average overpaid, in the sense that they could not earn as much in the private sector. Studies of teachers who switch jobs and comparisons of teaching to other occupations with the same BLS skill requirements suggest that the teacher wage penalty is close to zero. If that is true, then incorporating fringe benefits as measured in the NIPA would boost total teacher compensation about 18% above private-sector levels. This premium comes before adding the value of job security and the predictability of regular raises, which economic theory predicts would be offset by lower wages."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher around here can expect to make $90k a few years in for essentially 9 months of work (given the endless summers plus all the other holidays). That means average salaries are really more like $120k on an annualized basis. Plus the value of the pension that will easily bump it to a $130-140k equivalent. Plus generous benefits of all sorts. Pretty good for a union job with 100% job security and where you get to go home at 3pm!

Where is “around here”? How many years are “a few years in”?

This ranks right there with the “retire after 20 years, free healthcare, union negotiated” posts.

This fool knows that their post is inaccurate and they just come on here because they like attention. The reality is they likely lack intelligence and are probably pretty unattractive people, which is why they're on here looking for attention...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher around here can expect to make $90k a few years in for essentially 9 months of work (given the endless summers plus all the other holidays). That means average salaries are really more like $120k on an annualized basis. Plus the value of the pension that will easily bump it to a $130-140k equivalent. Plus generous benefits of all sorts. Pretty good for a union job with 100% job security and where you get to go home at 3pm!

Where is “around here”? How many years are “a few years in”?

This ranks right there with the “retire after 20 years, free healthcare, union negotiated” posts.

Oh give it up, that trope about the underpaid teacher is getting seriously old.

https://www.aei.org/articles/the-truth-about-teacher-pay/

"It is clear that the widely cited 21% teacher salary gap is a meaningless statistic. Furthermore, predictions generated by the underpaid-teacher hypothesis fail to be borne out by the data: Teachers rarely quit their jobs and, when they do, rarely cite low pay as the reason; only a tiny percentage of teachers’ salaries come from second jobs, and that percentage has been falling over time; there is no generalized teacher shortage; most teachers live comfortable middle-class lives; and teaching is not more stressful or time-consuming than the average job. Over and over again, we fail to find evidence that teachers as a group are underpaid.

"It is more likely that workers in public education are on average overpaid, in the sense that they could not earn as much in the private sector. Studies of teachers who switch jobs and comparisons of teaching to other occupations with the same BLS skill requirements suggest that the teacher wage penalty is close to zero. If that is true, then incorporating fringe benefits as measured in the NIPA would boost total teacher compensation about 18% above private-sector levels. This premium comes before adding the value of job security and the predictability of regular raises, which economic theory predicts would be offset by lower wages."

You cite an outdated opinion piece that lacks citations to real data.

Sorry… this doesn’t work. Come back with something more convincing. Until then, I’m going to let the crazy teacher shortage speak, and it’s telling me teachers are overworked and underpaid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher around here can expect to make $90k a few years in for essentially 9 months of work (given the endless summers plus all the other holidays). That means average salaries are really more like $120k on an annualized basis. Plus the value of the pension that will easily bump it to a $130-140k equivalent. Plus generous benefits of all sorts. Pretty good for a union job with 100% job security and where you get to go home at 3pm!

Where is “around here”? How many years are “a few years in”?

This ranks right there with the “retire after 20 years, free healthcare, union negotiated” posts.

Oh give it up, that trope about the underpaid teacher is getting seriously old.

https://www.aei.org/articles/the-truth-about-teacher-pay/

"It is clear that the widely cited 21% teacher salary gap is a meaningless statistic. Furthermore, predictions generated by the underpaid-teacher hypothesis fail to be borne out by the data: Teachers rarely quit their jobs and, when they do, rarely cite low pay as the reason; only a tiny percentage of teachers’ salaries come from second jobs, and that percentage has been falling over time; there is no generalized teacher shortage; most teachers live comfortable middle-class lives; and teaching is not more stressful or time-consuming than the average job. Over and over again, we fail to find evidence that teachers as a group are underpaid.

"It is more likely that workers in public education are on average overpaid, in the sense that they could not earn as much in the private sector. Studies of teachers who switch jobs and comparisons of teaching to other occupations with the same BLS skill requirements suggest that the teacher wage penalty is close to zero. If that is true, then incorporating fringe benefits as measured in the NIPA would boost total teacher compensation about 18% above private-sector levels. This premium comes before adding the value of job security and the predictability of regular raises, which economic theory predicts would be offset by lower wages."

"If that is true, then incorporating fringe benefits as measured in the NIPA would boost total teacher compensation about 18% above private-sector levels. This premium comes before adding the value of job security and the predictability of regular raises, which economic theory predicts would be offset by lower wages."