Lockdown at Blair?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Up thread, the anti-SRO person said that SROs are cops, and that they didn't want cops in schools.

SROs can do the same things that cops can do. The cops are there now. So, what's the difference between having the cops there now, tomorrow, next week vs having SROs there permanently?

If you are ok with a cop being there now, today, tomorrow, why aren't you ok with an SRO being there today, tomorrow, next week?

Also, I'm a bit amazed that MoCo is charging the 16 yr old as an adult. I'm curious what the anti-SROs think about this fact.

As required by state law. I'm surprised you don't know that.

https://www.marylandmatters.org/2021/09/09/reform-council-recommends-ending-policy-of-automatically-charging-some-youth-as-adults/

You still haven't explained what, specifically, an SRO would do.

Why would I know that MD law requires a 16 yr old to be charged an adult?

And you have not answered the question of why it's fine for a cop to be there today, maybe tomorrow, next week but not an SRO. What's the cop doing there right now that the SRO wouldn't do?

SRO would do the same thing the cop is doing there now, except the SRO would do this everyday, and not just on the days after a stabbing took place and another kid brings a knife to school.

Your turn to answer my questions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Up thread, the anti-SRO person said that SROs are cops, and that they didn't want cops in schools.

SROs can do the same things that cops can do. The cops are there now. So, what's the difference between having the cops there now, tomorrow, next week vs having SROs there permanently?

If you are ok with a cop being there now, today, tomorrow, why aren't you ok with an SRO being there today, tomorrow, next week?

Also, I'm a bit amazed that MoCo is charging the 16 yr old as an adult. I'm curious what the anti-SROs think about this fact.

As required by state law. I'm surprised you don't know that.

https://www.marylandmatters.org/2021/09/09/reform-council-recommends-ending-policy-of-automatically-charging-some-youth-as-adults/

You still haven't explained what, specifically, an SRO would do.

Why would I know that MD law requires a 16 yr old to be charged an adult?

And you have not answered the question of why it's fine for a cop to be there today, maybe tomorrow, next week but not an SRO. What's the cop doing there right now that the SRO wouldn't do?

SRO would do the same thing the cop is doing there now, except the SRO would do this everyday, and not just on the days after a stabbing took place and another kid brings a knife to school.

Your turn to answer my questions.

Which is what?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Today the brother of the stabbing suspect was arrested for bringing a knife to Blair https://twitter.com/kevinlewis7news/status/1458108763009912836?s=21

you would think the kid/family learned their lesson.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/blair-high-school-stabbing-suspects-brother-arrested-after-bringing-knife-to-school?fbclid=IwAR121HPquXtPK_5h2RrIDpWyDoN_OG8wFIYYcsvw-beqS1zx-ELDvyuk77w

This is another source. This family is NOT going to have a good Thanksgiving. Also, if you have kids at Blair, be careful.

Ok so I have a child at Blair, so I get the gravity of the situation, but, am I the only one laughing at that last name?

I'm confused at the name because they said it was a white kid.

I said this upthread - it’s gang related.

Central American doesn’t mean gang.

Do you think a gang member’s parents would turn them in? Do you think a gang member would let their parents turn them in?

Depends on the scenario. A family that fled their country to get away from gang violence, and they have kids now associated with a gang - I’d bet they’d probably turn them in.
How is a 16 year old going to prevent his parents from turning him in? Especially if his hand friends aren’t living with him?

*gang friends, not hand friends.

These parents would know their son is going to a jail full of gang members where he will be forced to rely on them for protection. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Up thread, the anti-SRO person said that SROs are cops, and that they didn't want cops in schools.

SROs can do the same things that cops can do. The cops are there now. So, what's the difference between having the cops there now, tomorrow, next week vs having SROs there permanently?

If you are ok with a cop being there now, today, tomorrow, why aren't you ok with an SRO being there today, tomorrow, next week?

Also, I'm a bit amazed that MoCo is charging the 16 yr old as an adult. I'm curious what the anti-SROs think about this fact.

As required by state law. I'm surprised you don't know that.

https://www.marylandmatters.org/2021/09/09/reform-council-recommends-ending-policy-of-automatically-charging-some-youth-as-adults/

You still haven't explained what, specifically, an SRO would do.

Why would I know that MD law requires a 16 yr old to be charged an adult?

And you have not answered the question of why it's fine for a cop to be there today, maybe tomorrow, next week but not an SRO. What's the cop doing there right now that the SRO wouldn't do?

SRO would do the same thing the cop is doing there now, except the SRO would do this everyday, and not just on the days after a stabbing took place and another kid brings a knife to school.

Your turn to answer my questions.

Which is what?

You tell me. Why have cops at any situation where there are violent incidents? If your neighborhood had a rash of burglaries, would you say, "We don't need the cops around. We will just hire mental health professionals to talk to the thieves".

Was the Principal wrong to have cops be present there? Do you have kids at Blair? Would you feel more safe or less safe if there were several knife incidents at your kid's school and the police were called to patrol the school?


I honestly can't tell if you are a troll or just really obtuse.

[Anonymous]

Do you want a police officer patrolling your street and your street only every day? What exactly would be their role when no crimes are being committed? I am perfectly happy to be able to call the police when they are needed, I don't want them here proactively, that's a waste of taxpayer dollars and needless police surveillance of my life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Up thread, the anti-SRO person said that SROs are cops, and that they didn't want cops in schools.

SROs can do the same things that cops can do. The cops are there now. So, what's the difference between having the cops there now, tomorrow, next week vs having SROs there permanently?

If you are ok with a cop being there now, today, tomorrow, why aren't you ok with an SRO being there today, tomorrow, next week?

Also, I'm a bit amazed that MoCo is charging the 16 yr old as an adult. I'm curious what the anti-SROs think about this fact.

As required by state law. I'm surprised you don't know that.

https://www.marylandmatters.org/2021/09/09/reform-council-recommends-ending-policy-of-automatically-charging-some-youth-as-adults/

You still haven't explained what, specifically, an SRO would do.

Why would I know that MD law requires a 16 yr old to be charged an adult?

And you have not answered the question of why it's fine for a cop to be there today, maybe tomorrow, next week but not an SRO. What's the cop doing there right now that the SRO wouldn't do?

SRO would do the same thing the cop is doing there now, except the SRO would do this everyday, and not just on the days after a stabbing took place and another kid brings a knife to school.

Your turn to answer my questions.

Which is what?

Again, you didn't answer any of my questions. Why is that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you want a police officer patrolling your street and your street only every day? What exactly would be their role when no crimes are being committed? I am perfectly happy to be able to call the police when they are needed, I don't want them here proactively, that's a waste of taxpayer dollars and needless police surveillance of my life.

Yes, I would be perfectly happy to have the cops around. What's the saying.. "where's a cop when you need one". Here's the thing.. you don't know when you will need the cops. And as we've seen, kids are turning violent in our schools. You don't know when the next incident will happen.

I'm proactive. You'd rather be reactive and only act when someone's been stabbed. I sincerely hope that never happens to your child.

I see on nextdoor a lot of posts about car breakins in the middle of the night in certain areas. You know what would help, if the cops were patrolling that area every night. It's called a deterent. It works well. When there are cops on the roads, people tend to not break the law, speed. When there are no cops on the roads, people tend to do all kinds of illegal things, and there are more speeders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you want a police officer patrolling your street and your street only every day? What exactly would be their role when no crimes are being committed? I am perfectly happy to be able to call the police when they are needed, I don't want them here proactively, that's a waste of taxpayer dollars and needless police surveillance of my life.

Yes, I would be perfectly happy to have the cops around. What's the saying.. "where's a cop when you need one". Here's the thing.. you don't know when you will need the cops. And as we've seen, kids are turning violent in our schools. You don't know when the next incident will happen.

I'm proactive. You'd rather be reactive and only act when someone's been stabbed. I sincerely hope that never happens to your child.

I see on nextdoor a lot of posts about car breakins in the middle of the night in certain areas. You know what would help, if the cops were patrolling that area every night. It's called a deterent. It works well. When there are cops on the roads, people tend to not break the law, speed. When there are no cops on the roads, people tend to do all kinds of illegal things, and there are more speeders.

You can't have cops everywhere, and having cops in schools "proactively" has known negative impacts on students. Even if you put the one cop back in the 3000-student high school the odds they can stop a stabbing is incredibly low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you want a police officer patrolling your street and your street only every day? What exactly would be their role when no crimes are being committed? I am perfectly happy to be able to call the police when they are needed, I don't want them here proactively, that's a waste of taxpayer dollars and needless police surveillance of my life.

Yes, I would be perfectly happy to have the cops around. What's the saying.. "where's a cop when you need one". Here's the thing.. you don't know when you will need the cops. And as we've seen, kids are turning violent in our schools. You don't know when the next incident will happen.

I'm proactive. You'd rather be reactive and only act when someone's been stabbed. I sincerely hope that never happens to your child.

I see on nextdoor a lot of posts about car breakins in the middle of the night in certain areas. You know what would help, if the cops were patrolling that area every night. It's called a deterent. It works well. When there are cops on the roads, people tend to not break the law, speed. When there are no cops on the roads, people tend to do all kinds of illegal things, and there are more speeders.

You can't have cops everywhere, and having cops in schools "proactively" has known negative impacts on students. Even if you put the one cop back in the 3000-student high school the odds they can stop a stabbing is incredibly low.

This is like a broken record, yet it shows that we do need SROs to mitigate serious issues like these at school. Why can’t we both have SRO and whatever other resources Jawando suggested to out in place? Both can have good active roles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you want a police officer patrolling your street and your street only every day? What exactly would be their role when no crimes are being committed? I am perfectly happy to be able to call the police when they are needed, I don't want them here proactively, that's a waste of taxpayer dollars and needless police surveillance of my life.

Spoken like someone who's never actually tried to.call the police.
Unless you're actively being assaulted, good luck getting a response. That, too, is a result of urbanization.
In the suburbs the police will come out when any law is being broken. That's already gone and the criminals know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you want a police officer patrolling your street and your street only every day? What exactly would be their role when no crimes are being committed? I am perfectly happy to be able to call the police when they are needed, I don't want them here proactively, that's a waste of taxpayer dollars and needless police surveillance of my life.

Yes, I would be perfectly happy to have the cops around. What's the saying.. "where's a cop when you need one". Here's the thing.. you don't know when you will need the cops. And as we've seen, kids are turning violent in our schools. You don't know when the next incident will happen.

I'm proactive. You'd rather be reactive and only act when someone's been stabbed. I sincerely hope that never happens to your child.

I see on nextdoor a lot of posts about car breakins in the middle of the night in certain areas. You know what would help, if the cops were patrolling that area every night. It's called a deterent. It works well. When there are cops on the roads, people tend to not break the law, speed. When there are no cops on the roads, people tend to do all kinds of illegal things, and there are more speeders.

You can't have cops everywhere, and having cops in schools "proactively" has known negative impacts on students. Even if you put the one cop back in the 3000-student high school the odds they can stop a stabbing is incredibly low.

This is like a broken record, yet it shows that we do need SROs to mitigate serious issues like these at school. Why can’t we both have SRO and whatever other resources Jawando suggested to out in place? Both can have good active roles.

Because jawando has no intention of solving any problems except the personal problem he has with cops.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today the brother of the stabbing suspect was arrested for bringing a knife to Blair https://twitter.com/kevinlewis7news/status/1458108763009912836?s=21

you would think the kid/family learned their lesson.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/blair-high-school-stabbing-suspects-brother-arrested-after-bringing-knife-to-school?fbclid=IwAR121HPquXtPK_5h2RrIDpWyDoN_OG8wFIYYcsvw-beqS1zx-ELDvyuk77w

This is another source. This family is NOT going to have a good Thanksgiving. Also, if you have kids at Blair, be careful.

Ok so I have a child at Blair, so I get the gravity of the situation, but, am I the only one laughing at that last name?

I'm confused at the name because they said it was a white kid.

I said this upthread - it’s gang related.

Central American doesn’t mean gang.

Do you think a gang member’s parents would turn them in? Do you think a gang member would let their parents turn them in?

Depends on the scenario. A family that fled their country to get away from gang violence, and they have kids now associated with a gang - I’d bet they’d probably turn them in.
How is a 16 year old going to prevent his parents from turning him in? Especially if his hand friends aren’t living with him?

*gang friends, not hand friends.

These parents would know their son is going to a jail full of gang members where he will be forced to rely on them for protection. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Maybe they’re more concerned with their kid hurting other kids at school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you want a police officer patrolling your street and your street only every day? What exactly would be their role when no crimes are being committed? I am perfectly happy to be able to call the police when they are needed, I don't want them here proactively, that's a waste of taxpayer dollars and needless police surveillance of my life.

We aren't talking about a neighborhood, we are talking about schools and at schools, there have been multiple incidents of violence this year and those are jus the ones we know about.

Sure, I'd love a police officer patrolling our street. Happy to bring them food, snacks, drinks too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you want a police officer patrolling your street and your street only every day? What exactly would be their role when no crimes are being committed? I am perfectly happy to be able to call the police when they are needed, I don't want them here proactively, that's a waste of taxpayer dollars and needless police surveillance of my life.

Yes, I would be perfectly happy to have the cops around. What's the saying.. "where's a cop when you need one". Here's the thing.. you don't know when you will need the cops. And as we've seen, kids are turning violent in our schools. You don't know when the next incident will happen.

I'm proactive. You'd rather be reactive and only act when someone's been stabbed. I sincerely hope that never happens to your child.

I see on nextdoor a lot of posts about car breakins in the middle of the night in certain areas. You know what would help, if the cops were patrolling that area every night. It's called a deterent. It works well. When there are cops on the roads, people tend to not break the law, speed. When there are no cops on the roads, people tend to do all kinds of illegal things, and there are more speeders.

You can't have cops everywhere, and having cops in schools "proactively" has known negative impacts on students. Even if you put the one cop back in the 3000-student high school the odds they can stop a stabbing is incredibly low.

This is like a broken record, yet it shows that we do need SROs to mitigate serious issues like these at school. Why can’t we both have SRO and whatever other resources Jawando suggested to out in place? Both can have good active roles.

Because jawando has no intention of solving any problems except the personal problem he has with cops.

What has he done to bring the mental health programs into the schools? What has he done to also help with prevention starting at the elementary school level? There kids are acting up for many reasons, including struggling with academics as their ES schools (and possibly parents but not all parents are capable of helping) to make sure their needs were met early on. We need far more resources in the ES from reading specialists, to speech pathologists, to mental health and behavior.

He wants his 5 minutes of fame every few weeks to keep him in the media. He has zero interest in actually being part of change and if he did, his kids would be in MCPS.

[Anonymous]

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SROs are cops, no? SROs would do the same thing the cops are doing there. why have the cops there if SROs can't do anything?

What? No, that's backwards. Evidently the general police (not SROs) are handling it. So what would an SRO do that the general police aren't doing/can't do?

Up thread, the anti-SRO person said that SROs are cops, and that they didn't want cops in schools.

SROs can do the same things that cops can do. The cops are there now. So, what's the difference between having the cops there now, tomorrow, next week vs having SROs there permanently?

If you are ok with a cop being there now, today, tomorrow, why aren't you ok with an SRO being there today, tomorrow, next week?

Also, I'm a bit amazed that MoCo is charging the 16 yr old as an adult. I'm curious what the anti-SROs think about this fact.

I don't care what you call them but we need better security in the schools. If you can take a knife to school and stab someone and make a very adult choice, you should get charged as an adult.