ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

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Anonymous wrote:DP here, totally horrified and disgusted by this incident: however, I will not be joining the rioters and those who seeking vigilante justice. The guy likely has a defense since the driver was turning the steering wheel as her wife shouted “drive baby drive!”

How was he to know if her intent was to flee or cause harm and mow him down? He was faced with a split second decision.

She was turning the steering wheel AWAY from him.

I wasn’t there, but the visibility through most windshields is not great especially in the winter with road salt and grime. What was he supposed to be watching? Her turning the wheel? The tires themselves? The wife exiting the vehicle , yelling and acting unpredictably? All simultaneously? Yeah, right.

A horrible and volatile situation. I hope that there will be scene reconstructions done to clarify the situation. Until then, I can’t be judge and jury (and neither should all the hysterical Tik tokkers and redditors.)

Maybe a clue he ignored was her smiling at him and saying, "I"m not mad at you, dude."

That was more than ten seconds before she reversed and turned her car to face the agent, and then accelerated.

When she pulled out of her parking spot.

Have you watched the video? There are no parking spaces that are perpendicular to, and in the middle of, a one way street.

She was parked. She pulled out. Incidentally, were any cars able to get by her? When things get a little dicey, drivers often wave cars through. Did she wave any cars through?

Parked perpendicular with rear of car to the curb in a traffic lane is ok as long as you wave people to go around you?

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Anonymous wrote:Violating the use of force policy establishes his actions are objectively unreasonable, which is part of establishing he broke the law.

Are you 100% certain he violated the use of force policy?

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Do you have a link to the DHS use of force policy you are referencing?

This is the DOJ policy. Federal law says the DOJ policy is the minimum standard for all federal agencies.

“Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force

It’s really an open and shut case under this policy. Even if you think she was driving at him, he had the option of getting out of the way. How do we know he could have gotten out of the way? The did in fact get out of the way and the car went past him for a hundred yards or so.

Whether he was hit is immaterial. If he believed he could be hit, putting him in immediate danger of death or serious bodily harm, deadly force is justified. Nothing that happened before the Honda Pilot was put into drive or after the shots were fired matters.

What he believed or feared is irrelevant. The instruction a jury is given is where a reasonable person would believe so.

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Anonymous wrote:DP here, totally horrified and disgusted by this incident: however, I will not be joining the rioters and those who seeking vigilante justice. The guy likely has a defense since the driver was turning the steering wheel as her wife shouted “drive baby drive!”

How was he to know if her intent was to flee or cause harm and mow him down? He was faced with a split second decision.

She was turning the steering wheel AWAY from him.

I wasn’t there, but the visibility through most windshields is not great especially in the winter with road salt and grime. What was he supposed to be watching? Her turning the wheel? The tires themselves? The wife exiting the vehicle , yelling and acting unpredictably? All simultaneously? Yeah, right.

A horrible and volatile situation. I hope that there will be scene reconstructions done to clarify the situation. Until then, I can’t be judge and jury (and neither should all the hysterical Tik tokkers and redditors.)

Maybe a clue he ignored was her smiling at him and saying, "I"m not mad at you, dude."

That was more than ten seconds before she reversed and turned her car to face the agent, and then accelerated.

When she pulled out of her parking spot.

Have you watched the video? There are no parking spaces that are perpendicular to, and in the middle of, a one way street.

She was parked. She pulled out. Incidentally, were any cars able to get by her? When things get a little dicey, drivers often wave cars through. Did she wave any cars through?

Parked perpendicular with rear of car to the curb in a traffic lane is ok as long as you wave people to go around you?

That's a capital offense now?

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Anonymous wrote:DP here, totally horrified and disgusted by this incident: however, I will not be joining the rioters and those who seeking vigilante justice. The guy likely has a defense since the driver was turning the steering wheel as her wife shouted “drive baby drive!”

How was he to know if her intent was to flee or cause harm and mow him down? He was faced with a split second decision.

She was turning the steering wheel AWAY from him.

I wasn’t there, but the visibility through most windshields is not great especially in the winter with road salt and grime. What was he supposed to be watching? Her turning the wheel? The tires themselves? The wife exiting the vehicle , yelling and acting unpredictably? All simultaneously? Yeah, right.

A horrible and volatile situation. I hope that there will be scene reconstructions done to clarify the situation. Until then, I can’t be judge and jury (and neither should all the hysterical Tik tokkers and redditors.)

Maybe a clue he ignored was her smiling at him and saying, "I"m not mad at you, dude."

That was more than ten seconds before she reversed and turned her car to face the agent, and then accelerated.

When she pulled out of her parking spot.

Have you watched the video? There are no parking spaces that are perpendicular to, and in the middle of, a one way street.

She was parked. She pulled out. Incidentally, were any cars able to get by her? When things get a little dicey, drivers often wave cars through. Did she wave any cars through?

Parked perpendicular with rear of car to the curb in a traffic lane is ok as long as you wave people to go around you?

Are they the parking patrol? Is this relevant? Can you shoot someone in the face for bad parking or parking in a way that inconveniences you?

I know that they think that they are very important big grown up boys for the first time in their lives, but no.

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She was clearly trying to go around another van, not “parked perpendicular in traffic”

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand how we got to this point where every republican is freaking defending this. Any prior Republican administration would have immediately stated that this rogue ICE officer did not represento DHS as a whole or this admin. We have tons of people on the internet celebrating this woman's death. How did we get here?!

Most likely bots. But elected officials declining to say anything shows you how they this it’s all OK.

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Anonymous wrote:Violating the use of force policy establishes his actions are objectively unreasonable, which is part of establishing he broke the law.

Are you 100% certain he violated the use of force policy?

Yes

Do you have a link to the DHS use of force policy you are referencing?

This is the DOJ policy. Federal law says the DOJ policy is the minimum standard for all federal agencies.

“Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force

It’s really an open and shut case under this policy. Even if you think she was driving at him, he had the option of getting out of the way. How do we know he could have gotten out of the way? The did in fact get out of the way and the car went past him for a hundred yards or so.

Whether he was hit is immaterial. If he believed he could be hit, putting him in immediate danger of death or serious bodily harm, deadly force is justified. Nothing that happened before the Honda Pilot was put into drive or after the shots were fired matters.

What he believed or feared is irrelevant. The instruction a jury is given is where a reasonable person would believe so.

The argument that he believed shooting then driver was the only way to prevent injury to himself is insane even on its own terms. According to his defenders, she was gunning the car straight at him and he was only a few feet away . How would shooting her possibly prevent injury to himself in that situation? The car isn’t going to suddenly stop just because the driver is shot. In fact, it’s pretty likely the driver will hit the accelerator even harder as they slump forward (which in fact happened) or turn the wheel in an unpredictable way making any attempt to jump out of the way harder and also endangering others.

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Anonymous wrote: Minneapolis is an occupied city. ICE is Trump’s private army of thugs. Would much rather have illegal immigrants vs illegal police state.

And you is what is wrong with democrats in this country follows the laws and don’t have problem. If you want to protest protest congress to change the laws not interfere with federal investigations.

Interacting with Good was part of an investigation?

Part of the investigation was going through the neighborhood, house by house, in order to identify people who have a removal order. Good parked her vehicle perpendicular to the traffic, obstructing the federal agents in the middle of investigation. They politely to ask her to move the vehicle. She refused. They ordered her to step out from the vehicle. She refused, and began driving/fleeing the scene/disobeying the order of LEO. At the same time her wife/girlfriend/husband was in a close proximity to the LEO, inciting Good to flee or to run over the officer.

Norm has state multiple times that ICE has as coming back from a mission and got stuck in the snow. (Inclement weather or something like that). They were NOT going door to door.

Please stop making things up. I mean, just stick to JD and Norms talking points at least.

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I hold a research grant focused on vehicle ramming attacks, and I curate what I believe is the largest database of these incidents, more than 500 cases worldwide since 1987.
As a result, I have watched more video footage of vehicle ramming attacks than most people ever will.

That is why I am going to be direct about what the available video shows in the killing of Renee Nicole Good in Minneapolis on January 7, 2026. Based on the publicly available footage described by multiple outlets, I do not see indicators consistent with a deliberate vehicle ramming attempt.
When authorities claim “she tried to run over an officer,” they are not just offering an interpretation. They are trying to lock in a narrative that justifies lethal force after the fact.

What I see, and what is being described in reporting based on video review, looks like ambiguity and escalation, not a textbook ramming attempt. Reports indicate the agent was not in the vehicle’s direct path when shots were fired, and that at least some shots were fired from the side as the vehicle moved away.

This matters because I know what ramming attempts look like when they are real.
Across hundreds of cases, intentional vehicle ramming attacks tend to leave a signature in the footage.
* A purposeful approach line toward a person.
* Commitment to that line.
* Steering corrections that track a target.
* Acceleration and follow through.

Those indicators are the difference between “the vehicle moved” and “the vehicle was used as the weapon.” When the state kills first and invents the threat afterward, it is not policing, it is death squad behavior.

~ Yannick Veilleux-Lepage, PhD
Associate Professor at the Royal Military College
of Canada

So the ice agent should know what this expert knows?
I’m not defending the agent. I’m calling this out as a poor, specific argument.

Everybody on this board would have avoided Good's car by just standing in place or taking a very casual step to the right. He's making the "fear for his life" defense because that's literally all he has. And it comes across as completely laughable to anybody who actually watches the video.

You have no idea what anybody would do in that situation.

All these armchair critics, I swear.

There wasn't even a reason to pull their service vehicles over and get out of their pick up trucks. It all went down from there. They could have just continued on to their break.

I would love someone to address that. All the other cars went through. Why did they stop and force a confrontation?

They are not traffic cops so since she wasn't physically impeding them...

Any thoughts?

They stopped because she was creating a blockade and a road hazard. A car that is not disabled, and is parked perpendicular in the road both causes a back up, is suspicious, and a safety hazard. They were absolutely right to investigate and tell her to move. That is not normal behavior- to put your car sideways in the road and creates a hazard to all other drivers, not just law enforcement.

That's why these highly trained ICE agents, after detaining the driver of a vehicle on a high-traffic road, left the vehicle in the road, in neutral, and it rolled and caused an accident. (I've seen video of the vehicles that collided with it, and it is included in the lawsuit filed by the state.) There are also reports of agents brake-checking cars and a video of them ramming a car at a red light (but not pursuing that vehicle, instead they turned onto antother road).

They are going to wind up hurting someone totally uninvolved.

They already have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The DOJ is trying to pin charges on the wife instead of the officer.

The writers of this season have really run out of material.

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Anonymous wrote:DP here, totally horrified and disgusted by this incident: however, I will not be joining the rioters and those who seeking vigilante justice. The guy likely has a defense since the driver was turning the steering wheel as her wife shouted “drive baby drive!”

How was he to know if her intent was to flee or cause harm and mow him down? He was faced with a split second decision.

She was turning the steering wheel AWAY from him.

I wasn’t there, but the visibility through most windshields is not great especially in the winter with road salt and grime. What was he supposed to be watching? Her turning the wheel? The tires themselves? The wife exiting the vehicle , yelling and acting unpredictably? All simultaneously? Yeah, right.

A horrible and volatile situation. I hope that there will be scene reconstructions done to clarify the situation. Until then, I can’t be judge and jury (and neither should all the hysterical Tik tokkers and redditors.)

Maybe a clue he ignored was her smiling at him and saying, "I"m not mad at you, dude."

That was more than ten seconds before she reversed and turned her car to face the agent, and then accelerated.

When she pulled out of her parking spot.

Have you watched the video? There are no parking spaces that are perpendicular to, and in the middle of, a one way street.

She was parked. She pulled out. Incidentally, were any cars able to get by her? When things get a little dicey, drivers often wave cars through. Did she wave any cars through?

Parked perpendicular with rear of car to the curb in a traffic lane is ok as long as you wave people to go around you?

That's a capital offense now?

I didn't say it was a capital offense. I'm asking is that ok and why did she do that?

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Anonymous wrote:DP here, totally horrified and disgusted by this incident: however, I will not be joining the rioters and those who seeking vigilante justice. The guy likely has a defense since the driver was turning the steering wheel as her wife shouted “drive baby drive!”

How was he to know if her intent was to flee or cause harm and mow him down? He was faced with a split second decision.

She was turning the steering wheel AWAY from him.

I wasn’t there, but the visibility through most windshields is not great especially in the winter with road salt and grime. What was he supposed to be watching? Her turning the wheel? The tires themselves? The wife exiting the vehicle , yelling and acting unpredictably? All simultaneously? Yeah, right.

A horrible and volatile situation. I hope that there will be scene reconstructions done to clarify the situation. Until then, I can’t be judge and jury (and neither should all the hysterical Tik tokkers and redditors.)

Maybe a clue he ignored was her smiling at him and saying, "I"m not mad at you, dude."

That was more than ten seconds before she reversed and turned her car to face the agent, and then accelerated.

When she pulled out of her parking spot.

Have you watched the video? There are no parking spaces that are perpendicular to, and in the middle of, a one way street.

She was parked. She pulled out. Incidentally, were any cars able to get by her? When things get a little dicey, drivers often wave cars through. Did she wave any cars through?

Parked perpendicular with rear of car to the curb in a traffic lane is ok as long as you wave people to go around you?

Do you drive much? At all? Stop treating this as if everyone drives like they're taking their road test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You might've heard that Minneapolis public schools went hybrid because so many families are in hiding. Well, a coworker just told me that today, during his kid's hybrid class, a kid's apartment building was raided onscreen.

- reports on twitter

Gestapo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lady trying to drive down the street to a doctor's appointment. ICE agents stop her. Some agents scream at her to move. Others smash her windows and grab her. She's totally confused about what's she's supposed to do. Eventually they yank her out of her car and arrest her. She's lucky they didn't shoot her. This is America where trying to go to a doctor's appointment is now a crime.

https://bsky.app/profile/noturtlesoup17.bsky.social/post/3mcdab3qrvs2g

Apparently they cut her seatbelt off. Nazis.

Call your members of congress and demand zero funding until ICE is reigned in. Senator Murphy has some very reasonable asks.

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The woman's wife yelling out "why did you have real bullets"

The woman is playing, she’s playing for fun. They don’t understand that ICE is targeting narco gangs, cartel members, and often general criminals.

It’s not a game.