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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

We all know that Fair Facts was started by and run by people in Great Falls. But Aren't there also TWO Great Falls Associations because they got in a fight? I would love someone to explain all the Great Falls drama sometime! How can one tiny part of the county have so much drama?? My part of town doesn't have a citizens association, no drama other than the Oakton moms!

Because of the history of the change. The real goal is to change Great Fall’s zoning. They don’t think we should own large lots, etc. what they don’t tell you is how much of GF is on well, septic, and propane. Part of it is also caving to the Tysons developers. They also don’t think we are diverse enough, but what they really mean is they don’t like our kind of diversity. They would like nothing more than to take GF land because they don’t like capitalism. It’s really that simple

This is a troll post. It’s true most of us want stability, but this post is intended to foment ill-will toward GF.

I wrote that post. I live in GF and I stand by what I say. There is already ill-will towards GF - nothing I say will change that.

Then you're posting nonsense. A fair number of the Great Falls residents aren't very sophisticated. They praise capitalism when it enriches them, but favor government intervention when it protects them. Zoning laws such as those that restrict growth in Great Falls are anti-capitalist because they inhibit private development that might otherwise take place.

Not true. When zoning laws are changed to favor socioeconomic and socialistic practices, that is not capitalism

You confuse privilege with capitalism. The mindset of many Great Falls residents has more to do with entitlement than capitalism.

What's entitled is moving kids from one high school to another because you need them to boost the quality of the school you ruined with your own policies.

No one is being moved out of Great Falls now because the numbers don’t justify it. In five years things may be different and a move may be necessary based on capacity grounds.

If that happens, don’t expect anyone to buy your bogus argument that it’s based on an “anti-community” or “anti-capitalist” agenda. ALL it would mean is that you’re part of the same county as everyone else.

DP. Community isn’t bogus, it’s what makes public schools successful. Would give anything for the school board to understand that.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

We all know that Fair Facts was started by and run by people in Great Falls. But Aren't there also TWO Great Falls Associations because they got in a fight? I would love someone to explain all the Great Falls drama sometime! How can one tiny part of the county have so much drama?? My part of town doesn't have a citizens association, no drama other than the Oakton moms!

Because of the history of the change. The real goal is to change Great Fall’s zoning. They don’t think we should own large lots, etc. what they don’t tell you is how much of GF is on well, septic, and propane. Part of it is also caving to the Tysons developers. They also don’t think we are diverse enough, but what they really mean is they don’t like our kind of diversity. They would like nothing more than to take GF land because they don’t like capitalism. It’s really that simple

This is a troll post. It’s true most of us want stability, but this post is intended to foment ill-will toward GF.

I wrote that post. I live in GF and I stand by what I say. There is already ill-will towards GF - nothing I say will change that.

Then you're posting nonsense. A fair number of the Great Falls residents aren't very sophisticated. They praise capitalism when it enriches them, but favor government intervention when it protects them. Zoning laws such as those that restrict growth in Great Falls are anti-capitalist because they inhibit private development that might otherwise take place.

Not true. When zoning laws are changed to favor socioeconomic and socialistic practices, that is not capitalism

You confuse privilege with capitalism. The mindset of many Great Falls residents has more to do with entitlement than capitalism.

What's entitled is moving kids from one high school to another because you need them to boost the quality of the school you ruined with your own policies.

No one is being moved out of Great Falls now because the numbers don’t justify it. In five years things may be different and a move may be necessary based on capacity grounds.

If that happens, don’t expect anyone to buy your bogus argument that it’s based on an “anti-community” or “anti-capitalist” agenda. ALL it would mean is that you’re part of the same county as everyone else.

DP. Community isn’t bogus, it’s what makes public schools successful. Would give anything for the school board to understand that.

You define and redefine “community” as you see fit to stay zoned to certain schools.

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Well, certainly proximity affects community. Kind of don't understand why people on south side of 7 and have a Herndon address are zoned for Langley.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

We all know that Fair Facts was started by and run by people in Great Falls. But Aren't there also TWO Great Falls Associations because they got in a fight? I would love someone to explain all the Great Falls drama sometime! How can one tiny part of the county have so much drama?? My part of town doesn't have a citizens association, no drama other than the Oakton moms!

Because of the history of the change. The real goal is to change Great Fall’s zoning. They don’t think we should own large lots, etc. what they don’t tell you is how much of GF is on well, septic, and propane. Part of it is also caving to the Tysons developers. They also don’t think we are diverse enough, but what they really mean is they don’t like our kind of diversity. They would like nothing more than to take GF land because they don’t like capitalism. It’s really that simple

This is a troll post. It’s true most of us want stability, but this post is intended to foment ill-will toward GF.

I wrote that post. I live in GF and I stand by what I say. There is already ill-will towards GF - nothing I say will change that.

Then you're posting nonsense. A fair number of the Great Falls residents aren't very sophisticated. They praise capitalism when it enriches them, but favor government intervention when it protects them. Zoning laws such as those that restrict growth in Great Falls are anti-capitalist because they inhibit private development that might otherwise take place.

Not true. When zoning laws are changed to favor socioeconomic and socialistic practices, that is not capitalism

You confuse privilege with capitalism. The mindset of many Great Falls residents has more to do with entitlement than capitalism.

What's entitled is moving kids from one high school to another because you need them to boost the quality of the school you ruined with your own policies.

No one is being moved out of Great Falls now because the numbers don’t justify it. In five years things may be different and a move may be necessary based on capacity grounds.

If that happens, don’t expect anyone to buy your bogus argument that it’s based on an “anti-community” or “anti-capitalist” agenda. ALL it would mean is that you’re part of the same county as everyone else.

DP. Community isn’t bogus, it’s what makes public schools successful. Would give anything for the school board to understand that.

You define and redefine “community” as you see fit to stay zoned to certain schools.

Nope, you must be confusing me with someone else. Community is everything to us, and we certainly aren’t the only ones that feel that way. Really wish the school board would understand that.

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Anonymous wrote:There were a couple that had the number of comments in 100s, which means 100s of the same comment within the same minute. It’s the first column after the comment that tells how many times the same thing was posted.

The whole comment nonsense was just horrible planning on the consultants part. Having a system where you can use anyone's address, type in whatever you want and for how many ever times you want, and then telling communities over and over again to use the comment tool if they want to be heard??? Complete sh+t show. None of this is valid, but honestly I don't think we can fault people for trying to 'beat' the only system they had to feel seen/heard.

SMH Reading all the comments from the Town of Vienna parents freaking out about their kids not going to Madison because it’s “the town’s high school.” Except it’s a county, not a town school. I’m a Vienna resident and love it but the TOV residents who act like Vienna and Madison are special are annoying AF. “Oh but my kid always dreamed of being a Warhawk!”

Um, really, FCPS should focus on creating "town" high schools as much as humanly possible.

Generational community connection to the high schools will significantly improve the quality of education at all of the FCPS schools.

Sure, that would be nice, but how many established “towns” are there in the county? Vienna, Mclean, Great Falls, Herndon, Clifton, Fairfax, Falls Church (not really parts of Ffx Co).

It’s only Town of Vienna, Herndon, and Clifton and the City of Fairfax and Falls Church. McLean tax district is split between Langley and McLean HS. I don’t know if Great Falls has any sort of tax district or if they’re just full of advocates.

If you think this is bad, go look up how the community reacted when they closed Clifton Elementary.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

We all know that Fair Facts was started by and run by people in Great Falls. But Aren't there also TWO Great Falls Associations because they got in a fight? I would love someone to explain all the Great Falls drama sometime! How can one tiny part of the county have so much drama?? My part of town doesn't have a citizens association, no drama other than the Oakton moms!

Because of the history of the change. The real goal is to change Great Fall’s zoning. They don’t think we should own large lots, etc. what they don’t tell you is how much of GF is on well, septic, and propane. Part of it is also caving to the Tysons developers. They also don’t think we are diverse enough, but what they really mean is they don’t like our kind of diversity. They would like nothing more than to take GF land because they don’t like capitalism. It’s really that simple

This is a troll post. It’s true most of us want stability, but this post is intended to foment ill-will toward GF.

I wrote that post. I live in GF and I stand by what I say. There is already ill-will towards GF - nothing I say will change that.

Then you're posting nonsense. A fair number of the Great Falls residents aren't very sophisticated. They praise capitalism when it enriches them, but favor government intervention when it protects them. Zoning laws such as those that restrict growth in Great Falls are anti-capitalist because they inhibit private development that might otherwise take place.

Not true. When zoning laws are changed to favor socioeconomic and socialistic practices, that is not capitalism

You confuse privilege with capitalism. The mindset of many Great Falls residents has more to do with entitlement than capitalism.

What's entitled is moving kids from one high school to another because you need them to boost the quality of the school you ruined with your own policies.

No one is being moved out of Great Falls now because the numbers don’t justify it. In five years things may be different and a move may be necessary based on capacity grounds.

If that happens, don’t expect anyone to buy your bogus argument that it’s based on an “anti-community” or “anti-capitalist” agenda. ALL it would mean is that you’re part of the same county as everyone else.

DP. Community isn’t bogus, it’s what makes public schools successful. Would give anything for the school board to understand that.

You define and redefine “community” as you see fit to stay zoned to certain schools.

People fight to stay in certain schools when a small chunk gets moved. If you wholesale moved Madison's student body to Marshall, in 3 years it would just be Madison. The culture would change, the baseball team would be a lot better, etc. School performance is almost entirely a result of what the families put into it.

In all the 90s movies about kids at rough schools turning things around, it's because teachers get the students and parents to see the value of education. Not because they magically made the quality of the education offered better. It's the community that sets those values.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

We all know that Fair Facts was started by and run by people in Great Falls. But Aren't there also TWO Great Falls Associations because they got in a fight? I would love someone to explain all the Great Falls drama sometime! How can one tiny part of the county have so much drama?? My part of town doesn't have a citizens association, no drama other than the Oakton moms!

Because of the history of the change. The real goal is to change Great Fall’s zoning. They don’t think we should own large lots, etc. what they don’t tell you is how much of GF is on well, septic, and propane. Part of it is also caving to the Tysons developers. They also don’t think we are diverse enough, but what they really mean is they don’t like our kind of diversity. They would like nothing more than to take GF land because they don’t like capitalism. It’s really that simple

This is a troll post. It’s true most of us want stability, but this post is intended to foment ill-will toward GF.

I wrote that post. I live in GF and I stand by what I say. There is already ill-will towards GF - nothing I say will change that.

Then you're posting nonsense. A fair number of the Great Falls residents aren't very sophisticated. They praise capitalism when it enriches them, but favor government intervention when it protects them. Zoning laws such as those that restrict growth in Great Falls are anti-capitalist because they inhibit private development that might otherwise take place.

Not true. When zoning laws are changed to favor socioeconomic and socialistic practices, that is not capitalism

You confuse privilege with capitalism. The mindset of many Great Falls residents has more to do with entitlement than capitalism.

What's entitled is moving kids from one high school to another because you need them to boost the quality of the school you ruined with your own policies.

No one is being moved out of Great Falls now because the numbers don’t justify it. In five years things may be different and a move may be necessary based on capacity grounds.

If that happens, don’t expect anyone to buy your bogus argument that it’s based on an “anti-community” or “anti-capitalist” agenda. ALL it would mean is that you’re part of the same county as everyone else.

DP. Community isn’t bogus, it’s what makes public schools successful. Would give anything for the school board to understand that.

You define and redefine “community” as you see fit to stay zoned to certain schools.

People fight to stay in certain schools when a small chunk gets moved. If you wholesale moved Madison's student body to Marshall, in 3 years it would just be Madison. The culture would change, the baseball team would be a lot better, etc. School performance is almost entirely a result of what the families put into it.

In all the 90s movies about kids at rough schools turning things around, it's because teachers get the students and parents to see the value of education. Not because they magically made the quality of the education offered better. It's the community that sets those values.

It’s amusing that you pretend a sense of community is enhanced by sending kids to a different HS than 80% of both their ES and their MS classmates.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

We all know that Fair Facts was started by and run by people in Great Falls. But Aren't there also TWO Great Falls Associations because they got in a fight? I would love someone to explain all the Great Falls drama sometime! How can one tiny part of the county have so much drama?? My part of town doesn't have a citizens association, no drama other than the Oakton moms!

Because of the history of the change. The real goal is to change Great Fall’s zoning. They don’t think we should own large lots, etc. what they don’t tell you is how much of GF is on well, septic, and propane. Part of it is also caving to the Tysons developers. They also don’t think we are diverse enough, but what they really mean is they don’t like our kind of diversity. They would like nothing more than to take GF land because they don’t like capitalism. It’s really that simple

This is a troll post. It’s true most of us want stability, but this post is intended to foment ill-will toward GF.

I wrote that post. I live in GF and I stand by what I say. There is already ill-will towards GF - nothing I say will change that.

Then you're posting nonsense. A fair number of the Great Falls residents aren't very sophisticated. They praise capitalism when it enriches them, but favor government intervention when it protects them. Zoning laws such as those that restrict growth in Great Falls are anti-capitalist because they inhibit private development that might otherwise take place.

Not true. When zoning laws are changed to favor socioeconomic and socialistic practices, that is not capitalism

You confuse privilege with capitalism. The mindset of many Great Falls residents has more to do with entitlement than capitalism.

What's entitled is moving kids from one high school to another because you need them to boost the quality of the school you ruined with your own policies.

No one is being moved out of Great Falls now because the numbers don’t justify it. In five years things may be different and a move may be necessary based on capacity grounds.

If that happens, don’t expect anyone to buy your bogus argument that it’s based on an “anti-community” or “anti-capitalist” agenda. ALL it would mean is that you’re part of the same county as everyone else.

DP. Community isn’t bogus, it’s what makes public schools successful. Would give anything for the school board to understand that.

You define and redefine “community” as you see fit to stay zoned to certain schools.

People fight to stay in certain schools when a small chunk gets moved. If you wholesale moved Madison's student body to Marshall, in 3 years it would just be Madison. The culture would change, the baseball team would be a lot better, etc. School performance is almost entirely a result of what the families put into it.

In all the 90s movies about kids at rough schools turning things around, it's because teachers get the students and parents to see the value of education. Not because they magically made the quality of the education offered better. It's the community that sets those values.

It’s amusing that you pretend a sense of community is enhanced by sending kids to a different HS than 80% of both their ES and their MS classmates.

It's telling you didn't challenge the assumption that communities make the good schools...

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

We all know that Fair Facts was started by and run by people in Great Falls. But Aren't there also TWO Great Falls Associations because they got in a fight? I would love someone to explain all the Great Falls drama sometime! How can one tiny part of the county have so much drama?? My part of town doesn't have a citizens association, no drama other than the Oakton moms!

Because of the history of the change. The real goal is to change Great Fall’s zoning. They don’t think we should own large lots, etc. what they don’t tell you is how much of GF is on well, septic, and propane. Part of it is also caving to the Tysons developers. They also don’t think we are diverse enough, but what they really mean is they don’t like our kind of diversity. They would like nothing more than to take GF land because they don’t like capitalism. It’s really that simple

This is a troll post. It’s true most of us want stability, but this post is intended to foment ill-will toward GF.

I wrote that post. I live in GF and I stand by what I say. There is already ill-will towards GF - nothing I say will change that.

Then you're posting nonsense. A fair number of the Great Falls residents aren't very sophisticated. They praise capitalism when it enriches them, but favor government intervention when it protects them. Zoning laws such as those that restrict growth in Great Falls are anti-capitalist because they inhibit private development that might otherwise take place.

Not true. When zoning laws are changed to favor socioeconomic and socialistic practices, that is not capitalism

You confuse privilege with capitalism. The mindset of many Great Falls residents has more to do with entitlement than capitalism.

What's entitled is moving kids from one high school to another because you need them to boost the quality of the school you ruined with your own policies.

No one is being moved out of Great Falls now because the numbers don’t justify it. In five years things may be different and a move may be necessary based on capacity grounds.

If that happens, don’t expect anyone to buy your bogus argument that it’s based on an “anti-community” or “anti-capitalist” agenda. ALL it would mean is that you’re part of the same county as everyone else.

DP. Community isn’t bogus, it’s what makes public schools successful. Would give anything for the school board to understand that.

You define and redefine “community” as you see fit to stay zoned to certain schools.

People fight to stay in certain schools when a small chunk gets moved. If you wholesale moved Madison's student body to Marshall, in 3 years it would just be Madison. The culture would change, the baseball team would be a lot better, etc. School performance is almost entirely a result of what the families put into it.

In all the 90s movies about kids at rough schools turning things around, it's because teachers get the students and parents to see the value of education. Not because they magically made the quality of the education offered better. It's the community that sets those values.

It’s amusing that you pretend a sense of community is enhanced by sending kids to a different HS than 80% of both their ES and their MS classmates.

Why is it so important to you to dictate what people define as their community? This is clearly coming from someone who doesn't have any and is just bitter other people do.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

We all know that Fair Facts was started by and run by people in Great Falls. But Aren't there also TWO Great Falls Associations because they got in a fight? I would love someone to explain all the Great Falls drama sometime! How can one tiny part of the county have so much drama?? My part of town doesn't have a citizens association, no drama other than the Oakton moms!

Because of the history of the change. The real goal is to change Great Fall’s zoning. They don’t think we should own large lots, etc. what they don’t tell you is how much of GF is on well, septic, and propane. Part of it is also caving to the Tysons developers. They also don’t think we are diverse enough, but what they really mean is they don’t like our kind of diversity. They would like nothing more than to take GF land because they don’t like capitalism. It’s really that simple

This is a troll post. It’s true most of us want stability, but this post is intended to foment ill-will toward GF.

I wrote that post. I live in GF and I stand by what I say. There is already ill-will towards GF - nothing I say will change that.

Then you're posting nonsense. A fair number of the Great Falls residents aren't very sophisticated. They praise capitalism when it enriches them, but favor government intervention when it protects them. Zoning laws such as those that restrict growth in Great Falls are anti-capitalist because they inhibit private development that might otherwise take place.

Not true. When zoning laws are changed to favor socioeconomic and socialistic practices, that is not capitalism

You confuse privilege with capitalism. The mindset of many Great Falls residents has more to do with entitlement than capitalism.

What's entitled is moving kids from one high school to another because you need them to boost the quality of the school you ruined with your own policies.

No one is being moved out of Great Falls now because the numbers don’t justify it. In five years things may be different and a move may be necessary based on capacity grounds.

If that happens, don’t expect anyone to buy your bogus argument that it’s based on an “anti-community” or “anti-capitalist” agenda. ALL it would mean is that you’re part of the same county as everyone else.

DP. Community isn’t bogus, it’s what makes public schools successful. Would give anything for the school board to understand that.

You define and redefine “community” as you see fit to stay zoned to certain schools.

People fight to stay in certain schools when a small chunk gets moved. If you wholesale moved Madison's student body to Marshall, in 3 years it would just be Madison. The culture would change, the baseball team would be a lot better, etc. School performance is almost entirely a result of what the families put into it.

In all the 90s movies about kids at rough schools turning things around, it's because teachers get the students and parents to see the value of education. Not because they magically made the quality of the education offered better. It's the community that sets those values.

It’s amusing that you pretend a sense of community is enhanced by sending kids to a different HS than 80% of both their ES and their MS classmates.

It's telling you didn't challenge the assumption that communities make the good schools...

There’s no point because people typically will just define “community” as they see fit to stay assigned or get reassigned to wealthier schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

We all know that Fair Facts was started by and run by people in Great Falls. But Aren't there also TWO Great Falls Associations because they got in a fight? I would love someone to explain all the Great Falls drama sometime! How can one tiny part of the county have so much drama?? My part of town doesn't have a citizens association, no drama other than the Oakton moms!

Because of the history of the change. The real goal is to change Great Fall’s zoning. They don’t think we should own large lots, etc. what they don’t tell you is how much of GF is on well, septic, and propane. Part of it is also caving to the Tysons developers. They also don’t think we are diverse enough, but what they really mean is they don’t like our kind of diversity. They would like nothing more than to take GF land because they don’t like capitalism. It’s really that simple

This is a troll post. It’s true most of us want stability, but this post is intended to foment ill-will toward GF.

I wrote that post. I live in GF and I stand by what I say. There is already ill-will towards GF - nothing I say will change that.

Then you're posting nonsense. A fair number of the Great Falls residents aren't very sophisticated. They praise capitalism when it enriches them, but favor government intervention when it protects them. Zoning laws such as those that restrict growth in Great Falls are anti-capitalist because they inhibit private development that might otherwise take place.

Not true. When zoning laws are changed to favor socioeconomic and socialistic practices, that is not capitalism

You confuse privilege with capitalism. The mindset of many Great Falls residents has more to do with entitlement than capitalism.

What's entitled is moving kids from one high school to another because you need them to boost the quality of the school you ruined with your own policies.

No one is being moved out of Great Falls now because the numbers don’t justify it. In five years things may be different and a move may be necessary based on capacity grounds.

If that happens, don’t expect anyone to buy your bogus argument that it’s based on an “anti-community” or “anti-capitalist” agenda. ALL it would mean is that you’re part of the same county as everyone else.

DP. Community isn’t bogus, it’s what makes public schools successful. Would give anything for the school board to understand that.

You define and redefine “community” as you see fit to stay zoned to certain schools.

People fight to stay in certain schools when a small chunk gets moved. If you wholesale moved Madison's student body to Marshall, in 3 years it would just be Madison. The culture would change, the baseball team would be a lot better, etc. School performance is almost entirely a result of what the families put into it.

In all the 90s movies about kids at rough schools turning things around, it's because teachers get the students and parents to see the value of education. Not because they magically made the quality of the education offered better. It's the community that sets those values.

It’s amusing that you pretend a sense of community is enhanced by sending kids to a different HS than 80% of both their ES and their MS classmates.

It's telling you didn't challenge the assumption that communities make the good schools...

There’s no point because people typically will just define “community” as they see fit to stay assigned or get reassigned to wealthier schools.

Ok (wink)

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

We all know that Fair Facts was started by and run by people in Great Falls. But Aren't there also TWO Great Falls Associations because they got in a fight? I would love someone to explain all the Great Falls drama sometime! How can one tiny part of the county have so much drama?? My part of town doesn't have a citizens association, no drama other than the Oakton moms!

Because of the history of the change. The real goal is to change Great Fall’s zoning. They don’t think we should own large lots, etc. what they don’t tell you is how much of GF is on well, septic, and propane. Part of it is also caving to the Tysons developers. They also don’t think we are diverse enough, but what they really mean is they don’t like our kind of diversity. They would like nothing more than to take GF land because they don’t like capitalism. It’s really that simple

This is a troll post. It’s true most of us want stability, but this post is intended to foment ill-will toward GF.

I wrote that post. I live in GF and I stand by what I say. There is already ill-will towards GF - nothing I say will change that.

Then you're posting nonsense. A fair number of the Great Falls residents aren't very sophisticated. They praise capitalism when it enriches them, but favor government intervention when it protects them. Zoning laws such as those that restrict growth in Great Falls are anti-capitalist because they inhibit private development that might otherwise take place.

Not true. When zoning laws are changed to favor socioeconomic and socialistic practices, that is not capitalism

You confuse privilege with capitalism. The mindset of many Great Falls residents has more to do with entitlement than capitalism.

What's entitled is moving kids from one high school to another because you need them to boost the quality of the school you ruined with your own policies.

No one is being moved out of Great Falls now because the numbers don’t justify it. In five years things may be different and a move may be necessary based on capacity grounds.

If that happens, don’t expect anyone to buy your bogus argument that it’s based on an “anti-community” or “anti-capitalist” agenda. ALL it would mean is that you’re part of the same county as everyone else.

DP. Community isn’t bogus, it’s what makes public schools successful. Would give anything for the school board to understand that.

You define and redefine “community” as you see fit to stay zoned to certain schools.

People fight to stay in certain schools when a small chunk gets moved. If you wholesale moved Madison's student body to Marshall, in 3 years it would just be Madison. The culture would change, the baseball team would be a lot better, etc. School performance is almost entirely a result of what the families put into it.

In all the 90s movies about kids at rough schools turning things around, it's because teachers get the students and parents to see the value of education. Not because they magically made the quality of the education offered better. It's the community that sets those values.

It’s amusing that you pretend a sense of community is enhanced by sending kids to a different HS than 80% of both their ES and their MS classmates.

It's telling you didn't challenge the assumption that communities make the good schools...

There’s no point because people typically will just define “community” as they see fit to stay assigned or get reassigned to wealthier schools.

+1

If they put AP at Marshall, there’d be less opposition, but there’s a fairly obvious narrative from Wolftrap and Lemon Road families trying to upgrade to the richer schools. Marshall is split between Vienna, McLean, and Falls Church for youth sports, so its sense of community really suffers at the elementary level.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

We all know that Fair Facts was started by and run by people in Great Falls. But Aren't there also TWO Great Falls Associations because they got in a fight? I would love someone to explain all the Great Falls drama sometime! How can one tiny part of the county have so much drama?? My part of town doesn't have a citizens association, no drama other than the Oakton moms!

Because of the history of the change. The real goal is to change Great Fall’s zoning. They don’t think we should own large lots, etc. what they don’t tell you is how much of GF is on well, septic, and propane. Part of it is also caving to the Tysons developers. They also don’t think we are diverse enough, but what they really mean is they don’t like our kind of diversity. They would like nothing more than to take GF land because they don’t like capitalism. It’s really that simple

This is a troll post. It’s true most of us want stability, but this post is intended to foment ill-will toward GF.

I wrote that post. I live in GF and I stand by what I say. There is already ill-will towards GF - nothing I say will change that.

Then you're posting nonsense. A fair number of the Great Falls residents aren't very sophisticated. They praise capitalism when it enriches them, but favor government intervention when it protects them. Zoning laws such as those that restrict growth in Great Falls are anti-capitalist because they inhibit private development that might otherwise take place.

Not true. When zoning laws are changed to favor socioeconomic and socialistic practices, that is not capitalism

You confuse privilege with capitalism. The mindset of many Great Falls residents has more to do with entitlement than capitalism.

What's entitled is moving kids from one high school to another because you need them to boost the quality of the school you ruined with your own policies.

No one is being moved out of Great Falls now because the numbers don’t justify it. In five years things may be different and a move may be necessary based on capacity grounds.

If that happens, don’t expect anyone to buy your bogus argument that it’s based on an “anti-community” or “anti-capitalist” agenda. ALL it would mean is that you’re part of the same county as everyone else.

DP. Community isn’t bogus, it’s what makes public schools successful. Would give anything for the school board to understand that.

You define and redefine “community” as you see fit to stay zoned to certain schools.

People fight to stay in certain schools when a small chunk gets moved. If you wholesale moved Madison's student body to Marshall, in 3 years it would just be Madison. The culture would change, the baseball team would be a lot better, etc. School performance is almost entirely a result of what the families put into it.

In all the 90s movies about kids at rough schools turning things around, it's because teachers get the students and parents to see the value of education. Not because they magically made the quality of the education offered better. It's the community that sets those values.

It’s amusing that you pretend a sense of community is enhanced by sending kids to a different HS than 80% of both their ES and their MS classmates.

Did you seriously just cite "movies from the 90's" as a blueprint to turn rough schools around. I'm literally dying from the insane amount of privilege and complete cluelessness you displayed. This is literally the most white suburban Karen thing to ever be muttered and I can't wait to share this at the Thanksgiving table tomorrow so I can laugh again.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

We all know that Fair Facts was started by and run by people in Great Falls. But Aren't there also TWO Great Falls Associations because they got in a fight? I would love someone to explain all the Great Falls drama sometime! How can one tiny part of the county have so much drama?? My part of town doesn't have a citizens association, no drama other than the Oakton moms!

Because of the history of the change. The real goal is to change Great Fall’s zoning. They don’t think we should own large lots, etc. what they don’t tell you is how much of GF is on well, septic, and propane. Part of it is also caving to the Tysons developers. They also don’t think we are diverse enough, but what they really mean is they don’t like our kind of diversity. They would like nothing more than to take GF land because they don’t like capitalism. It’s really that simple

This is a troll post. It’s true most of us want stability, but this post is intended to foment ill-will toward GF.

I wrote that post. I live in GF and I stand by what I say. There is already ill-will towards GF - nothing I say will change that.

Then you're posting nonsense. A fair number of the Great Falls residents aren't very sophisticated. They praise capitalism when it enriches them, but favor government intervention when it protects them. Zoning laws such as those that restrict growth in Great Falls are anti-capitalist because they inhibit private development that might otherwise take place.

Not true. When zoning laws are changed to favor socioeconomic and socialistic practices, that is not capitalism

You confuse privilege with capitalism. The mindset of many Great Falls residents has more to do with entitlement than capitalism.

What's entitled is moving kids from one high school to another because you need them to boost the quality of the school you ruined with your own policies.

No one is being moved out of Great Falls now because the numbers don’t justify it. In five years things may be different and a move may be necessary based on capacity grounds.

If that happens, don’t expect anyone to buy your bogus argument that it’s based on an “anti-community” or “anti-capitalist” agenda. ALL it would mean is that you’re part of the same county as everyone else.

DP. Community isn’t bogus, it’s what makes public schools successful. Would give anything for the school board to understand that.

You define and redefine “community” as you see fit to stay zoned to certain schools.

People fight to stay in certain schools when a small chunk gets moved. If you wholesale moved Madison's student body to Marshall, in 3 years it would just be Madison. The culture would change, the baseball team would be a lot better, etc. School performance is almost entirely a result of what the families put into it.

In all the 90s movies about kids at rough schools turning things around, it's because teachers get the students and parents to see the value of education. Not because they magically made the quality of the education offered better. It's the community that sets those values.

It’s amusing that you pretend a sense of community is enhanced by sending kids to a different HS than 80% of both their ES and their MS classmates.

Did you seriously just cite "movies from the 90's" as a blueprint to turn rough schools around. I'm literally dying from the insane amount of privilege and complete cluelessness you displayed. This is literally the most white suburban Karen thing to ever be muttered and I can't wait to share this at the Thanksgiving table tomorrow so I can laugh again.

DP. Absurd reference, but the underlying point is right. Schools will never improve if importance of education and achievement isn't in the home. Move those kids around all you want - a kid that isn't getting reinforcement at home isn't going to get into Harvard because some boundary tetris puts them at Madison.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

We all know that Fair Facts was started by and run by people in Great Falls. But Aren't there also TWO Great Falls Associations because they got in a fight? I would love someone to explain all the Great Falls drama sometime! How can one tiny part of the county have so much drama?? My part of town doesn't have a citizens association, no drama other than the Oakton moms!

Because of the history of the change. The real goal is to change Great Fall’s zoning. They don’t think we should own large lots, etc. what they don’t tell you is how much of GF is on well, septic, and propane. Part of it is also caving to the Tysons developers. They also don’t think we are diverse enough, but what they really mean is they don’t like our kind of diversity. They would like nothing more than to take GF land because they don’t like capitalism. It’s really that simple

This is a troll post. It’s true most of us want stability, but this post is intended to foment ill-will toward GF.

I wrote that post. I live in GF and I stand by what I say. There is already ill-will towards GF - nothing I say will change that.

Then you're posting nonsense. A fair number of the Great Falls residents aren't very sophisticated. They praise capitalism when it enriches them, but favor government intervention when it protects them. Zoning laws such as those that restrict growth in Great Falls are anti-capitalist because they inhibit private development that might otherwise take place.

Not true. When zoning laws are changed to favor socioeconomic and socialistic practices, that is not capitalism

You confuse privilege with capitalism. The mindset of many Great Falls residents has more to do with entitlement than capitalism.

What's entitled is moving kids from one high school to another because you need them to boost the quality of the school you ruined with your own policies.

No one is being moved out of Great Falls now because the numbers don’t justify it. In five years things may be different and a move may be necessary based on capacity grounds.

If that happens, don’t expect anyone to buy your bogus argument that it’s based on an “anti-community” or “anti-capitalist” agenda. ALL it would mean is that you’re part of the same county as everyone else.

DP. Community isn’t bogus, it’s what makes public schools successful. Would give anything for the school board to understand that.

You define and redefine “community” as you see fit to stay zoned to certain schools.

People fight to stay in certain schools when a small chunk gets moved. If you wholesale moved Madison's student body to Marshall, in 3 years it would just be Madison. The culture would change, the baseball team would be a lot better, etc. School performance is almost entirely a result of what the families put into it.

In all the 90s movies about kids at rough schools turning things around, it's because teachers get the students and parents to see the value of education. Not because they magically made the quality of the education offered better. It's the community that sets those values.

It’s amusing that you pretend a sense of community is enhanced by sending kids to a different HS than 80% of both their ES and their MS classmates.

Did you seriously just cite "movies from the 90's" as a blueprint to turn rough schools around. I'm literally dying from the insane amount of privilege and complete cluelessness you displayed. This is literally the most white suburban Karen thing to ever be muttered and I can't wait to share this at the Thanksgiving table tomorrow so I can laugh again.

In the 1800s there was a doctor who suggested that hand-washing would reduce mortality rates in childbirth. The upper class doctors were all offended they were being called unclean and the practice first caught on in hospitals for the poor. Which the rich women all went to when giving birth because they didn't want to die.

It has nothing to do with money although you weirdly keep making it about that. It has to do with the underlying values and beliefs of the people at the schools. My guess is that you aren't at one of the schools people are fighting to stay at, and that you fit in just fine.