Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:I always thought she was a fake fraud because she’s a Jewish girl from California who had a ton of surgeries to try to look Nordic or something and then got married and tried to brand herself like some New England WASP mom. Everything about her is fake. Look at how she looked in her teens to now. Her face is totally different. It’s startling.

Isn't this a lot of actors though? I assume most of them have had plastic surgery. Also having procedures like that in your teens... how much of that is her doing what she wants, versus her parents/agents/industry people telling her what to do in order to get jobs?

Not saying she's a total innocent -- I've never really liked her and find her arrogant and annoying. But I have trouble working up anger about her plastic surgery when it's so common and was probably necessary for having a career.

Baldoni hasn't embraced his Jewishness either so what's the issue?

Blake Lively is not Jewish. She's Scottish, English and German.

I’m Jewish and I have eyes. Google photos when she was a teen. That’s a Jewish gal.

Can you explain this to those of us who are not Jewish? How can you tell by looking at a teen photo?

This poster is not Jewish. Many non-Jewish people have big noses.

I have brown hair brown eyes and a big nose and I'm 1/2 Norwegian and 1/2 WASP. This is white people with big noses erasure!

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Anonymous wrote:I think you could argue that when the director is one of the actors involved in a scene with intimacy, they should have an IC on set because it creates a weird dynamic. Especially in a situation like this where the director is playing a guy who turns out to be abusive.

I think, watching this, that the lines between Baldoni the director, Baldoni the actor, and Ryle the character, are getting crossed in ways that could be confusing or upsetting for his costar.

That doesn't mean I think he's a harasser. I don't. But I think the situation could have been handled better by the studio and by Baldoni himself, as they were in charge of the production.

OMG!!! She is an actress. If she is “confused” about her costar in a romantic movie kissing her, she needs a new job.

The script does not specify that they are kissing or being intimate. It describes them as slow dancing and "being in their own world" in the middle of a crowded bar. I can understand being confused when he's like kissing her neck and arms. That seems weird to me -- I remember the night I fell in love with my DH -- we went to a concert and then to a bar afterwards with friends, and we were very into each other but he wasn't like initiating a make out session in the middle of a crowd. It was like holding hands and looking at each other a lot, and talking just to each other.

What is this possibly have to do with the night you fell in love with your husband?

They had a less than two hour movie. They had a couple of scenes where they needed to show them falling in love to move the story along. this was one and it was very intimate. He didn’t want talking in it, she did and she used his words against him, even though any reasonable person does not think there’s anything wrong with what he said.

This is not sexual harassment, and it’s deeply offensive for anyone who has been through it to say that it is. Blake is over privileged and wanted a me too moment. She didn’t realize the mics were picking up their audio. Oops.

I have been both sexually assaulted by a supervisor in a workplace, and sexually harassed by multiple colleagues in the same workplace.

I get why she was bothered by the way he said "it smells good" while kissing her arm, when just a moment before they'd been talking as though out of character. That would have bothered me too. In fact having the experience of having been sexually harassed would make me particularly aware of something like that which yes, might seem small, but definitely feels like a blurring of the lines.

I also think the way she handled it in the moment was fine -- she gets serious and says something like "actually I'm talking about my body makeup" as though to bring him back to the idea that they are professionals on a set and not actually flirting. She does a good job of redrawing the boundary.

If stuff like that happened a lot while they were filming, I get why she felt it was crossing a line and why she would feel uncomfortable working with him without an IC present pretty much all the time. It's unprofessional.

Literally, this whole interaction on camera was to film them being flirty. This has gotten absolutely insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading a thread on Reddit where most people see an uncomfortable person trying to politely redirect a handsy director. So, I concede, there are a few ways to read this. It’s certainly an interesting case given the setting. Actors acting. He has one vision; she has another.

I think it will come down to having an IC present to avoid situations like this.

Agree, and also want to note this is one scene. Lively's complaint is a series of events, of which this is just one.

I don't think this footage exonerates him or PR best her complaint. I see two people who don't like each other but have to work closely together. I see a somewhat demanding, hard to work with star. I see a director who is aggravated with that and overlooking/ignoring the fact that she does not seem happy or comfortable.

Beyond that, I don't know.

You’re in the minority. She is an *actress* acting the role of someone falling in love. this isn’t the scene from Last Tango in Paris.

In the minority on what? I'm just saying this is just one scene and I don't think it resolves the question of whether his behavior on set crossed the line. She also alleges that he repeatedly told her he had been communicating with her dead father -- this footage doesn't speak to that. She says they pressured her to do nudity in the birthing scene -- this footage doesn't speak to that. She says Heath came into the makeup trailer while she was having body makeup removed and refused to turn around to give her privacy -- this footage doesn't speak to that.

I have no idea if she was harassed or not but this footage does not actually resolve that question. What I see is a director/star who doesn't really get along with his costar and a tense scene where he is trying to initiate more physical intimacy between their characters and Lively is pushing back on that in several different ways. I don't think that means he harassed her. It's just what I'm seeing with my eyes in this scene. This is not some smoking gun for either of them.

This footage strongly contradicts one of her claims, which casts doubt on the rest of them.

In sexual harassment law, the contact has to be *unwelcome.* Zero indication of that here, and to the extent she claims that a kiss WHILE FILMING A ROMANTIC SCENE is “unwelcome,” she sounds totally delusional.

Which of her claims does it contradict? Her complaint says that Baldoni was kissing her neck and arms and face during a scene which the script describes as them simply slow dancing. That's what the footage shows. Her complaint also says that they were out of character, just talking, when he says "it smells good" in a way that felt inappropriate given the context of the conversation. I think this is subjective and can see it from her perspective and from his. But the footage doesn't contradict what her complaint says -- her complaint literally describes what I'm seeing that scene.

I see it as he was trying to say something positive when she mentions the spray tan. It wasn't some creepy way to come on to her. He's just trying to say what won't offend her, and boy did that not work out!

I agree. He was trying to be nice because she seemed self conscious about how the body makeup smelled. He was going out of his way to make her feel comfortable.

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I tend to think it's normal for them to drift in and out of character during scenes where they know the audio will be replaced by music in the final cut. Lively wanted to talk because she thought it would look more romantic onscreen and the audience would wonder what they were saying. That's fine. Also fine to do it the other way. Adding kissing and touching to a slow dancing is also within the realm of appropriate ways to stage the scene, even if the script originally didn't include those things.

As someone who had supported Lively in the past, it's just hard to argue she's not being completely disingenuous here. In fact if it were reversed (with him arguing that talking was more romantic and saying he and his wife would stay up talking for hours, and it's more than cute, and talking about Blake's nose) I'm pretty sure she would categorize those things in her complaint as inappropriate harassment.

She'd better hope this was his strongest evidence and the rest is less compelling.

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I have to say I find Blake Lively's complaint about the dancing scene really odd. She previously has done at least one raunchy sex scene in The Town where she and Ben Affleck were acting out vigorous sex. And now she is offended by dancing and staring romantically? It makes very little sense. This is not intended as a commentary about Ben Affleck but rather about her experience in romantic scenes.

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Anonymous wrote:I always thought she was a fake fraud because she’s a Jewish girl from California who had a ton of surgeries to try to look Nordic or something and then got married and tried to brand herself like some New England WASP mom. Everything about her is fake. Look at how she looked in her teens to now. Her face is totally different. It’s startling.

She is not Jewish. She was raised southern Baptist, but interesting that you assumed she is Jewish and she was determined to look Nordic and be a WASP. Sounds like you created a whole narrative in your head.

I am actually shocked that there are any Southern Baptists in California.

Everyone in Hollywood has a fake life story and lies about all the money they blew with various surgeons. Imagine believing Harvey’s girl was some babe in the woods Baptist. lol

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say I find Blake Lively's complaint about the dancing scene really odd. She previously has done at least one raunchy sex scene in The Town where she and Ben Affleck were acting out vigorous sex. And now she is offended by dancing and staring romantically? It makes very little sense. This is not intended as a commentary about Ben Affleck but rather about her experience in romantic scenes.

Exactly. Harvey’s girl and the Hollywood pass-around is a prim and proper puritan now. Give me a break. This whole thing is such fake bullshit.

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Anonymous wrote:I always thought she was a fake fraud because she’s a Jewish girl from California who had a ton of surgeries to try to look Nordic or something and then got married and tried to brand herself like some New England WASP mom. Everything about her is fake. Look at how she looked in her teens to now. Her face is totally different. It’s startling.

Isn't this a lot of actors though? I assume most of them have had plastic surgery. Also having procedures like that in your teens... how much of that is her doing what she wants, versus her parents/agents/industry people telling her what to do in order to get jobs?

Not saying she's a total innocent -- I've never really liked her and find her arrogant and annoying. But I have trouble working up anger about her plastic surgery when it's so common and was probably necessary for having a career.

Baldoni hasn't embraced his Jewishness either so what's the issue?

Blake Lively is not Jewish. She's Scottish, English and German.

I’m Jewish and I have eyes. Google photos when she was a teen. That’s a Jewish gal.

Can you explain this to those of us who are not Jewish? How can you tell by looking at a teen photo?

This poster is not Jewish. Many non-Jewish people have big noses.

It ain’t just her nose. That’s for damn sure. IYKYK

Ok anti-Semite. We know that's what you are.

Her husband exclusively dated Jewish women for decades and everything about his wife is Jewish. Please share when their kids were baptized in a Christian church. Spoiler: They weren’t. Her whole New England WASP aesthetic is fraud.

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Blake is cooked

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say I find Blake Lively's complaint about the dancing scene really odd. She previously has done at least one raunchy sex scene in The Town where she and Ben Affleck were acting out vigorous sex. And now she is offended by dancing and staring romantically? It makes very little sense. This is not intended as a commentary about Ben Affleck but rather about her experience in romantic scenes.

The big difference here is when she filmed the town she was not with Ryan. I think he is super controlling. I don’t recall her doing a sex scene since the town. I watched age of Adaline, its implied that they go to bed together, but nothing is shown. Similarly there are no sex scenes in It Ends With Us. Just a few intimate seems like the dancing in the bar and one where she has slightly fewer clothes on, she has fishnet tights on and a bra, but he tucks her into bed and leaves.

In the movie the shallow, she basically acts with a shark. And in a simple favor, she seduces Henry Goulding and it’s implied that they go get busy in an airplane bathroom but it’s not shown.

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Just because she did sex scenes in the past doesn't make she can't be sexually harassed! I don't think she's being harassed in the clip, but that's based on watching the clip, not her onscreen and offscreen sexual history. So gross.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you could argue that when the director is one of the actors involved in a scene with intimacy, they should have an IC on set because it creates a weird dynamic. Especially in a situation like this where the director is playing a guy who turns out to be abusive.

I think, watching this, that the lines between Baldoni the director, Baldoni the actor, and Ryle the character, are getting crossed in ways that could be confusing or upsetting for his costar.

That doesn't mean I think he's a harasser. I don't. But I think the situation could have been handled better by the studio and by Baldoni himself, as they were in charge of the production.

The issue here is they are supposed to be acting a scene as characters in love and she doesn't want to stay in character by either staying silent as instructed, or just improvising some light in character dialogue. The talking muddled the boundaries so now instead of Lily and Ryle touching it's Blake and Justin touching. It's awkward.

We never see Baldoni say "let's do this in character" or "I want to improvise in character even though we aren't doing audio" though. He says he "was told" by others that he needed to get her to stop talking. Why doesn't he just say "Blake, we need a take without us talking, let's just act it out without words"? I see the part at the beginning where she's talking about how she likes the idea of them talking during this scene because that's how she and her husband fell in love, but Baldoni is passive about it. He just kind of ignores her and is like touching her face and nuzzling her. Why isn't he more direct about it?

His approach to directing in that scene was annoying to me. He won't just say "this is what I want" and he also doesn't try to find a diplomatic solution ("we'll do one take talking and one without, so we have both options"). Instead he's kind of passive aggressive, not giving Lively specific direction but just kind of trying to override her by playing the scene totally differently than what she's suggesting. It *is* awkward but I feel like the awkwardness is on Baldoni, who is the director and could have taken more control of the scene and done a better job communicating to his costar.

What? They are filming a scene, why would he have to say, “let’s do this in character”? They are supposed to be in character! Anytime he is kissing her, they are in character. He does give direction. Doesn’t he say something like “let’s do this” before she lifts her hair and he kisses her neck? And don’t they talk about almost kissing before they start to kiss and then pull away?

They are in and out of character. Not in character the whole time. He says in his complaint he was trying to get her to stop talking. Why didn't he just say, "I want to do a take without talking"? Or suggest they do a take where they are in character the whole time (in which case he would also not break character) including talking in character as Lily and Ryle? He complains that she was trying to control the scene but I don't see him trying to control it. I see him being passive aggressive about it, getting annoyed that she's not doing what he wants even though he is not being clear about it.

I just see them being on two totally different wavelengths and as the director, it was within his power to fix that. Instead he just kind of acts annoyed the whole time (also not in character! Ryle is not annoyed with Lily in that scene) but never comes out and says "Thank you for your input but I want to do this so that we can get this specific shot." Which would be within his right to say as the director.

I think Baldoni was intimidated by Lively and handled it by being passive-aggressive, which annoyed her and sometimes came off as him being inappropriate.

Why are you still here with your crazy takes? You told us you were leaving in a huff just a few pages ago, claiming we were all women haters. And don’t try to say that wasn’t you, it clearly was. Your writing style and “take” give you away.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say I find Blake Lively's complaint about the dancing scene really odd. She previously has done at least one raunchy sex scene in The Town where she and Ben Affleck were acting out vigorous sex. And now she is offended by dancing and staring romantically? It makes very little sense. This is not intended as a commentary about Ben Affleck but rather about her experience in romantic scenes.

Presumably there was an IC on that set who choreographed that entire scene. So that may have been the difference -- maybe the intimacy in previous movies/TV she's filmed was handled more professionally and she was bothered by some of the blurred lines in the way Baloni et al handled the intimacy on this movie. We don't know what that set was like.

Or maybe it was handled very poorly on The Town and was very unprofessional and she has PTSD that makes her more sensitive to crossed lines on a set.

There is a big difference between watching the edit of a sex scene in a movie and knowing what it was like for the actors to film that scene. It's not like she actually had "vigorous sex" with Ben Affleck.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say I find Blake Lively's complaint about the dancing scene really odd. She previously has done at least one raunchy sex scene in The Town where she and Ben Affleck were acting out vigorous sex. And now she is offended by dancing and staring romantically? It makes very little sense. This is not intended as a commentary about Ben Affleck but rather about her experience in romantic scenes.

I mean…that’s kind of what consent is all about. You might agree to something with one person but not another, you might agree to something when younger but not 15 years later, you might agree to something when single but not when married, you might agree to something when you feel safe and respected and comfortable but not when you feel unsafe or disrespected or uncomfortable.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you could argue that when the director is one of the actors involved in a scene with intimacy, they should have an IC on set because it creates a weird dynamic. Especially in a situation like this where the director is playing a guy who turns out to be abusive.

I think, watching this, that the lines between Baldoni the director, Baldoni the actor, and Ryle the character, are getting crossed in ways that could be confusing or upsetting for his costar.

That doesn't mean I think he's a harasser. I don't. But I think the situation could have been handled better by the studio and by Baldoni himself, as they were in charge of the production.

The issue here is they are supposed to be acting a scene as characters in love and she doesn't want to stay in character by either staying silent as instructed, or just improvising some light in character dialogue. The talking muddled the boundaries so now instead of Lily and Ryle touching it's Blake and Justin touching. It's awkward.

We never see Baldoni say "let's do this in character" or "I want to improvise in character even though we aren't doing audio" though. He says he "was told" by others that he needed to get her to stop talking. Why doesn't he just say "Blake, we need a take without us talking, let's just act it out without words"? I see the part at the beginning where she's talking about how she likes the idea of them talking during this scene because that's how she and her husband fell in love, but Baldoni is passive about it. He just kind of ignores her and is like touching her face and nuzzling her. Why isn't he more direct about it?

His approach to directing in that scene was annoying to me. He won't just say "this is what I want" and he also doesn't try to find a diplomatic solution ("we'll do one take talking and one without, so we have both options"). Instead he's kind of passive aggressive, not giving Lively specific direction but just kind of trying to override her by playing the scene totally differently than what she's suggesting. It *is* awkward but I feel like the awkwardness is on Baldoni, who is the director and could have taken more control of the scene and done a better job communicating to his costar.

What? They are filming a scene, why would he have to say, “let’s do this in character”? They are supposed to be in character! Anytime he is kissing her, they are in character. He does give direction. Doesn’t he say something like “let’s do this” before she lifts her hair and he kisses her neck? And don’t they talk about almost kissing before they start to kiss and then pull away?

They are in and out of character. Not in character the whole time. He says in his complaint he was trying to get her to stop talking. Why didn't he just say, "I want to do a take without talking"? Or suggest they do a take where they are in character the whole time (in which case he would also not break character) including talking in character as Lily and Ryle? He complains that she was trying to control the scene but I don't see him trying to control it. I see him being passive aggressive about it, getting annoyed that she's not doing what he wants even though he is not being clear about it.

I just see them being on two totally different wavelengths and as the director, it was within his power to fix that. Instead he just kind of acts annoyed the whole time (also not in character! Ryle is not annoyed with Lily in that scene) but never comes out and says "Thank you for your input but I want to do this so that we can get this specific shot." Which would be within his right to say as the director.

I think Baldoni was intimidated by Lively and handled it by being passive-aggressive, which annoyed her and sometimes came off as him being inappropriate.

Why are you still here with your crazy takes? You told us you were leaving in a huff just a few pages ago, claiming we were all women haters. And don’t try to say that wasn’t you, it clearly was. Your writing style and “take” give you away.

That wasn't me, there is more than one poster who disagrees with you.

If you don't believe me, go ask Jeff. It is weird that anytime someone posts something you disagree with, you assume it's the same person.