Fire in upper NW?

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, the employee who left the 40k lied about what happened to the police? huh?

it doesn't sound like much of a lie - was the cash in the envelope already or did you see the person put the cash in the envelope. Something minor about when she was told to get it.

The fact that teh assistant went to home depot and was ordering stuff for studio right afterwards makes me think there is no involvement

I found the description in the charging document shown in Bruce Leshan's tweet to be rather confusing: https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/601823625021370368

NO. The asst. originally said he left the $40,000 on the front door step. He later said that was wrong: he opened the garage, opened the car in the garage and put the money on the front passenger seat. The type of envelope changed from manila envelope to red bag of sometype (is that right?)

Anyway, these are pretty significant changes and I do not understand why asst. "misremembered."

My reading of the charging documents is that the assistant (W-1) originally said he received a phone call from SS Thursday morning telling him to go to AIW and pick up a package, but actually received a text on Wednesday. He originally said the money was put into a manilla envelop at the bank, when it actually was put in a red bag and then transferred to a manilla envelope inside the garage. He originally said the car was locked but later said it wasn't. These all seem like minor issues to me.

I imagine the assistant was distraught that he didn't realize what was going on and maybe not a particularly detail oriented person in the best of times.

[Anonymous]

So, from charging documents:

[1] 2 large pizzas, 1 cheese, 1 pepperoni. Cheese uneaten. Pepperoni 3/4 eaten. Both found in a bedroom where three decedents (all but Philip) found.

[2] Person who was not DOA was Figueroa, who died at the hospital.

[3] Assistant made misstatements. First, unclear on time s/he received instruction to drop off cash (Wednesday night or Thursday morning). Second, got cash in red bag, but transferred it into manila envelope. Initially told cops it was in manila envelope the whole time. Third, said s/he had to unlock red car in garage when s/he did not, in fact, have to do so. Car was unlocked. Seems a little shifty -- wonder whether assistant skimmed a few hundreds off the stack.

[4] Pizza order was not online. Amy called for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet he came back to DC because he was scared to be in jail in New York.

+1000

Candy arse.

NYPD would have roughed him up good. MPD will not. In DC, violent felons are a political force to be reckoned with.

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did anyone else read in the charging papers that the perp who was seen by a witness driving the Porsche 'erratically' on Thurs. afternoon had short hair? doesn't DW have long hair?

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I think the Post story said the suspect was arrested at a gas station next to AIW in 2010, armed with a machete. I wonder if Mr. Savopoulous was aware of this.

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Anonymous wrote:I read the charging docs. I don't think they mean the boy was burned alive (at least not purposely). I think the intent was to kill everyone and then douse them all with gasoline and burn them and any evidence. But they were in separate rooms and the fire started in the child' bedroom and then didn't fully ignite the other room. It is clear that the other three were killed by trauma because their bodies were never consumed in flame. The child is unclear at best, but likely also beat (please, god quickly) and dead or nearly so (i.e. unconscious) when fire started.

I'd like to think he was in the other room, his bedroom, in bed out of kindness. They were letting the kid lie down.

Out of kindness? It would be nice to believe that, but I don't. Phillip's cause of death was thermal injuries: BURNS and sharp force injuries: STAB wounds. No kindness involved. It was sick, sadistic behavior. How horrifying for his family to have to know these details.

Exactly. And separated from his parents while all of this was going on?

PP, I'm sorry, but how dare you use the word "kindness" in any sentence or paragraph referring to these animals that killed him.

I would like to think that it wasn't complete hell for this little boy, that he got to lie down and sleep for some of it. How dare me not want it to have been 15 hours of pain and agony and desperate fear?

Not that PP, but if you want to believe that, go right ahead. If it helps you sleep at night, fine. But please keep that to yourself. To ascribe kindness to this coldblooded murderer goes beyond the pale and is outrageous.

You can 100% condemn something and someone and 100% be sickened by something they did that is, itself, beyond the pale of any humanity, and still imagine him letting a ten year old boy lie down in his bed. I don't get the outrageous of that. i am here in this thread because I am obsessed and horrified by this. and we are all imagining what it was like in that house. was there any humanity or kindness shown the hostages in those 18 hours. maybe not. but imagining some shown doesn't detract 1 bit from the horror. It probably just means I have a bigger imagination that you - one that can comprehend how evil and burtality and glimmers of generoisty can exist even in teh worst peopel

So what if he did let him lay down? You see that as a "glimmer of generosity"? I see that as an act of convenience on the part of the killer (if it did happen): He didn't want the parents to be able to see their child, the killer wanted them isolated. It was easier for the killer to maintain control of the situation with them apart. The parents were living their worst nightmare and to not be able to see their little boy must have been agonizing for them.
Imagine away all you want, but I think you are treading into the delusional range.

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Yes - charging papers say perp in green construction vest with short, groomed hair driving the porsche towards Maryland. Then green vest found in trunk of vehicle. If Daron still has his long dreds, that pretty much signifies another culprit. (As opposed to accessories after the fact).

Anyone have any thoughts about why they wanted to convert the cash to money orders? Concern that it might be traceable?

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Anonymous wrote:I read the charging docs. I don't think they mean the boy was burned alive (at least not purposely). I think the intent was to kill everyone and then douse them all with gasoline and burn them and any evidence. But they were in separate rooms and the fire started in the child' bedroom and then didn't fully ignite the other room. It is clear that the other three were killed by trauma because their bodies were never consumed in flame. The child is unclear at best, but likely also beat (please, god quickly) and dead or nearly so (i.e. unconscious) when fire started.

I'd like to think he was in the other room, his bedroom, in bed out of kindness. They were letting the kid lie down.

Out of kindness? It would be nice to believe that, but I don't. Phillip's cause of death was thermal injuries: BURNS and sharp force injuries: STAB wounds. No kindness involved. It was sick, sadistic behavior. How horrifying for his family to have to know these details.

Exactly. And separated from his parents while all of this was going on?

PP, I'm sorry, but how dare you use the word "kindness" in any sentence or paragraph referring to these animals that killed him.

I would like to think that it wasn't complete hell for this little boy, that he got to lie down and sleep for some of it. How dare me not want it to have been 15 hours of pain and agony and desperate fear?

Not that PP, but if you want to believe that, go right ahead. If it helps you sleep at night, fine. But please keep that to yourself. To ascribe kindness to this coldblooded murderer goes beyond the pale and is outrageous.

You can 100% condemn something and someone and 100% be sickened by something they did that is, itself, beyond the pale of any humanity, and still imagine him letting a ten year old boy lie down in his bed. I don't get the outrageous of that. i am here in this thread because I am obsessed and horrified by this. and we are all imagining what it was like in that house. was there any humanity or kindness shown the hostages in those 18 hours. maybe not. but imagining some shown doesn't detract 1 bit from the horror. It probably just means I have a bigger imagination that you - one that can comprehend how evil and burtality and glimmers of generoisty can exist even in teh worst peopel

So what if he did let him lay down? You see that as a "glimmer of generosity"? I see that as an act of convenience on the part of the killer (if it did happen): He didn't want the parents to be able to see their child, the killer wanted them isolated. It was easier for the killer to maintain control of the situation with them apart. The parents were living their worst nightmare and to not be able to see their little boy must have been agonizing for them.
Imagine away all you want, but I think you are treading into the delusional range.

I'm thinking there was nothing that little boy wanted more than to be in his mother's or father's arms at whatever moment those a$$holes asked/told/whatever him to lie down in his bedroom, so I agree it's insane to ascribe any type of "generosity" to the killers in their treatment of any one of these poor poor victims.

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Anonymous wrote:I read the charging docs. I don't think they mean the boy was burned alive (at least not purposely). I think the intent was to kill everyone and then douse them all with gasoline and burn them and any evidence. But they were in separate rooms and the fire started in the child' bedroom and then didn't fully ignite the other room. It is clear that the other three were killed by trauma because their bodies were never consumed in flame. The child is unclear at best, but likely also beat (please, god quickly) and dead or nearly so (i.e. unconscious) when fire started.

I'd like to think he was in the other room, his bedroom, in bed out of kindness. They were letting the kid lie down.

Out of kindness? It would be nice to believe that, but I don't. Phillip's cause of death was thermal injuries: BURNS and sharp force injuries: STAB wounds. No kindness involved. It was sick, sadistic behavior. How horrifying for his family to have to know these details.

Yes, this "out of kindness" language is really odd. There is absolutely nothing about the child's experience that suggests the murderers were acting "out of kindness." Sorry reality in this case isn't isn't what you want, OP. Please know that I'm genuinely sorry, not sarcastically sorry. As you probably are, I'm utterly sickened and devastated, knowing what these innocents suffered. To the point where I'm unable to stop crying.

[Anonymous]

The only person in custody is Daron Wint. All others have been released per the Cheif on CNN.

[Anonymous]

oh f&%$

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The only person in custody is Daron Wint. All others have been released per the Cheif on CNN.

Unbelievable! They were hanging out with a wanted fugitive and the police couldn't figure out how to charge them with a crime?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the charging docs. I don't think they mean the boy was burned alive (at least not purposely). I think the intent was to kill everyone and then douse them all with gasoline and burn them and any evidence. But they were in separate rooms and the fire started in the child' bedroom and then didn't fully ignite the other room. It is clear that the other three were killed by trauma because their bodies were never consumed in flame. The child is unclear at best, but likely also beat (please, god quickly) and dead or nearly so (i.e. unconscious) when fire started.

I'd like to think he was in the other room, his bedroom, in bed out of kindness. They were letting the kid lie down.

Out of kindness? It would be nice to believe that, but I don't. Phillip's cause of death was thermal injuries: BURNS and sharp force injuries: STAB wounds. No kindness involved. It was sick, sadistic behavior. How horrifying for his family to have to know these details.

Exactly. And separated from his parents while all of this was going on?

PP, I'm sorry, but how dare you use the word "kindness" in any sentence or paragraph referring to these animals that killed him.

I would like to think that it wasn't complete hell for this little boy, that he got to lie down and sleep for some of it. How dare me not want it to have been 15 hours of pain and agony and desperate fear?

I am like you pp. Before I read that the little boy was still alive at the time of the fire, I fantasied that the perps gave him something strong to sleep and then cut his throat or while he was sleeping so he wouldn't have to go through that one last fear of seeing someone coming at you with a knife and knowing you are going to die.

But it seems he was not only still alive at the time of the fire which is horrible in itself, but he heard his parents being murdered brutally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The only person in custody is Daron Wint. All others have been released per the Cheif on CNN.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The only person in custody is Daron Wint. All others have been released per the Cheif on CNN.

Unbelievable! They were hanging out with a wanted fugitive and the police couldn't figure out how to charge them with a crime?

this doesn't make sense to me either. they were not just hanging out with a wanted fugitive, they were transporting him, aiding him (in carting his money around)...even if they had nothing to do w/ the murders/robbery, they were accomplices to him after the fact, weren't they?