Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the charging docs. I don't think they mean the boy was burned alive (at least not purposely). I think the intent was to kill everyone and then douse them all with gasoline and burn them and any evidence. But they were in separate rooms and the fire started in the child' bedroom and then didn't fully ignite the other room. It is clear that the other three were killed by trauma because their bodies were never consumed in flame. The child is unclear at best, but likely also beat (please, god quickly) and dead or nearly so (i.e. unconscious) when fire started.

I'd like to think he was in the other room, his bedroom, in bed out of kindness. They were letting the kid lie down.

Out of kindness? It would be nice to believe that, but I don't. Phillip's cause of death was thermal injuries: BURNS and sharp force injuries: STAB wounds. No kindness involved. It was sick, sadistic behavior. How horrifying for his family to have to know these details.

Exactly. And separated from his parents while all of this was going on?

PP, I'm sorry, but how dare you use the word "kindness" in any sentence or paragraph referring to these animals that killed him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, the employee who left the 40k lied about what happened to the police? huh?

it doesn't sound like much of a lie - was the cash in the envelope already or did you see the person put the cash in the envelope. Something minor about when she was told to get it.

The fact that teh assistant went to home depot and was ordering stuff for studio right afterwards makes me think there is no involvement

I found the description in the charging document shown in Bruce Leshan's tweet to be rather confusing: https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/601823625021370368

NO. The asst. originally said he left the $40,000 on the front door step. He later said that was wrong: he opened the garage, opened the car in the garage and put the money on the front passenger seat. The type of envelope changed from manila envelope to red bag of sometype (is that right?)

Anyway, these are pretty significant changes and I do not understand why asst. "misremembered."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the charging docs. I don't think they mean the boy was burned alive (at least not purposely). I think the intent was to kill everyone and then douse them all with gasoline and burn them and any evidence. But they were in separate rooms and the fire started in the child' bedroom and then didn't fully ignite the other room. It is clear that the other three were killed by trauma because their bodies were never consumed in flame. The child is unclear at best, but likely also beat (please, god quickly) and dead or nearly so (i.e. unconscious) when fire started.

I'd like to think he was in the other room, his bedroom, in bed out of kindness. They were letting the kid lie down.

Out of kindness? It would be nice to believe that, but I don't. Phillip's cause of death was thermal injuries: BURNS and sharp force injuries: STAB wounds. No kindness involved. It was sick, sadistic behavior. How horrifying for his family to have to know these details.

Exactly. And separated from his parents while all of this was going on?

PP, I'm sorry, but how dare you use the word "kindness" in any sentence or paragraph referring to these animals that killed him.

I would like to think that it wasn't complete hell for this little boy, that he got to lie down and sleep for some of it. How dare me not want it to have been 15 hours of pain and agony and desperate fear?

[Anonymous]

Where can I find the article on cause of death?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, the employee who left the 40k lied about what happened to the police? huh?

it doesn't sound like much of a lie - was the cash in the envelope already or did you see the person put the cash in the envelope. Something minor about when she was told to get it.

The fact that teh assistant went to home depot and was ordering stuff for studio right afterwards makes me think there is no involvement

I found the description in the charging document shown in Bruce Leshan's tweet to be rather confusing: https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/601823625021370368

NO. The asst. originally said he left the $40,000 on the front door step. He later said that was wrong: he opened the garage, opened the car in the garage and put the money on the front passenger seat. The type of envelope changed from manila envelope to red bag of sometype (is that right?)

Anyway, these are pretty significant changes and I do not understand why asst. "misremembered."

I thought the assistant was a woman and that she was distraught when she found out. that woudl explain some. The biggest change is requested wednesday or thrusday morning, but the wednesday request is only significant if it happened prior to 6pm, and the charging docs don't say.

[Anonymous]

No way anyone in that house slept. And kindness is the wrong word.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, the employee who left the 40k lied about what happened to the police? huh?

it doesn't sound like much of a lie - was the cash in the envelope already or did you see the person put the cash in the envelope. Something minor about when she was told to get it.

The fact that teh assistant went to home depot and was ordering stuff for studio right afterwards makes me think there is no involvement

I found the description in the charging document shown in Bruce Leshan's tweet to be rather confusing: https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/601823625021370368

NO. The asst. originally said he left the $40,000 on the front door step. He later said that was wrong: he opened the garage, opened the car in the garage and put the money on the front passenger seat. The type of envelope changed from manila envelope to red bag of sometype (is that right?)

Anyway, these are pretty significant changes and I do not understand why asst. "misremembered."

My reading of the charging documents is that the assistant (W-1) originally said he received a phone call from SS Thursday morning telling him to go to AIW and pick up a package, but actually received a text on Wednesday. He originally said the money was put into a manilla envelop at the bank, when it actually was put in a red bag and then transferred to a manilla envelope inside the garage. He originally said the car was locked but later said it wasn't. These all seem like minor issues to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I bet he came back to DC because he was scared to be in jail in New York.

+1000

Candy arse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the charging docs. I don't think they mean the boy was burned alive (at least not purposely). I think the intent was to kill everyone and then douse them all with gasoline and burn them and any evidence. But they were in separate rooms and the fire started in the child' bedroom and then didn't fully ignite the other room. It is clear that the other three were killed by trauma because their bodies were never consumed in flame. The child is unclear at best, but likely also beat (please, god quickly) and dead or nearly so (i.e. unconscious) when fire started.

I'd like to think he was in the other room, his bedroom, in bed out of kindness. They were letting the kid lie down.

Out of kindness? It would be nice to believe that, but I don't. Phillip's cause of death was thermal injuries: BURNS and sharp force injuries: STAB wounds. No kindness involved. It was sick, sadistic behavior. How horrifying for his family to have to know these details.

Exactly. And separated from his parents while all of this was going on?

PP, I'm sorry, but how dare you use the word "kindness" in any sentence or paragraph referring to these animals that killed him.

I would like to think that it wasn't complete hell for this little boy, that he got to lie down and sleep for some of it. How dare me not want it to have been 15 hours of pain and agony and desperate fear?

Not that PP, but if you want to believe that, go right ahead. If it helps you sleep at night, fine. But please keep that to yourself. To ascribe kindness to this coldblooded murderer goes beyond the pale and is outrageous.

[Anonymous]

I was just thinking last night before I went to bed they know who did it. I don't pray anymore but I needed to last night. I just want them to be at peace and I hope their daughters
have their parents strength. I hope wherever the four souls are that they know how much the world cares about their loss.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, the employee who left the 40k lied about what happened to the police? huh?

it doesn't sound like much of a lie - was the cash in the envelope already or did you see the person put the cash in the envelope. Something minor about when she was told to get it.

The fact that teh assistant went to home depot and was ordering stuff for studio right afterwards makes me think there is no involvement

I found the description in the charging document shown in Bruce Leshan's tweet to be rather confusing: https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/601823625021370368

NO. The asst. originally said he left the $40,000 on the front door step. He later said that was wrong: he opened the garage, opened the car in the garage and put the money on the front passenger seat. The type of envelope changed from manila envelope to red bag of sometype (is that right?)

Anyway, these are pretty significant changes and I do not understand why asst. "misremembered."

My reading of the charging documents is that the assistant (W-1) originally said he received a phone call from SS Thursday morning telling him to go to AIW and pick up a package, but actually received a text on Wednesday. He originally said the money was put into a manilla envelop at the bank, when it actually was put in a red bag and then transferred to a manilla envelope inside the garage. He originally said the car was locked but later said it wasn't. These all seem like minor issues to me.

They do seem minor, but weird just the same. Some people can never tell a straight story even if there is no nefarious intent, maybe he is one of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SS was overpowered or manipulated with threat to the other victims such that defending himself (martial arts) was apparently not an option. I doubt reaching for a gun would have been possible either.

Possibly that is true. But often knowing homeowner has or may have gun is a deterrent in itself. The more obstacles criminals have to avoid the better. I personally don't believe you would have all those home burglaries people were mentioning if guns were legal. The criminals are so brazen because who is going to stop them? They're the only ones with the guns.

This is something of a fantasy. I know an ER doctor and gun collector who was tied up in his house with his housekeeper, and watched as his guns were stolen. He didn't defend himself with them, and he's lucky he wasn't killed with them.

+10000

If you know anything about crime, you know this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That lawyer is on CNN. Someone needs to get him a muzzle.

How dare he say "the pizza crust was found outside and the murder took place inside the home"

All he keeps saying is Daron has no convictions. He desperately wants camera time. I'm turning.

I saw him on Megyn Kelly last night and can’t believe what a joke he is.
Yes, people have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but to call him a “nice guy” and to pretty much deny other crimes this scumbag has committed is over the top.
He gives lawyers a bad name.

"Ficker" means "f***er" in German. The name definitely fits this motherf***er.

He's not an animal. He's doing his job. Defense attorneys are just as important as prosecutors, Nancy Grace.

So tell us, Johnnie Cochran, exactly how you would defend Daron Wint. Let me guess - he is not guilty by reason of insanity. He ate Twinkies and they made him crazy. He had a deprived childhood. It wasn't him, it was his brother. He didn't mean to kill any of these people - things just got out of hand.

If there is more than one assailant, my defense strategy would be the point the finger at the other(s). Say I was there but I didn't do it, I was coerced or threatened to be there but didn't want to. If you are the only assailant, try to disprove you weren't there. It is up to the prosecution to prove the case, then you poke the holes. Either way, it sounds like the DNA evidence is solid, so then your strategy may just be to get life in prison and not the death penalty (we don't know yet whether a federal case with that could be maid, but assuming it could be).

His prior crimes cannot come into the trials to prove the likelihood he did this one. But it can be discussed at sentencing.

All you need is one wackadoodle juror, just one, to buy any doubt the defense throughs out. And you never know.....

This Ficker guy wants free publicity, so he's talking all sorts of crazy mumbo jumbo to anyone who will listen. He also probably wants to be the defense attorney for Wint.

I was on a trial in DC a few weeks ago. It was clear as day that the defendant was guilty. The crime was witnessed by 30 some people. The evidence was a clear as glass. There was no doubt.
However, there was one juror who said that he/she would not convict anyone under any circumstances. Never, ever, ever.
After 3 days of deliberation a mistrial was called.
Massive waste of everyone's time.

Re the mistrial above, how was that allowed to happen? I thought part of the jury screening process was to make sure that jurors are willing to put people behind bars? Wouldn't the juror have had to disclose the "never, ever, ever" during jury selection? Is there a risk this could happen when the Wint case goes to trial?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where can I find the article on cause of death?

https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/601822055370207234/photo/1

Also there is a link to the charging documents on here which that shot was taken from

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the charging docs. I don't think they mean the boy was burned alive (at least not purposely). I think the intent was to kill everyone and then douse them all with gasoline and burn them and any evidence. But they were in separate rooms and the fire started in the child' bedroom and then didn't fully ignite the other room. It is clear that the other three were killed by trauma because their bodies were never consumed in flame. The child is unclear at best, but likely also beat (please, god quickly) and dead or nearly so (i.e. unconscious) when fire started.

I'd like to think he was in the other room, his bedroom, in bed out of kindness. They were letting the kid lie down.

Out of kindness? It would be nice to believe that, but I don't. Phillip's cause of death was thermal injuries: BURNS and sharp force injuries: STAB wounds. No kindness involved. It was sick, sadistic behavior. How horrifying for his family to have to know these details.

Exactly. And separated from his parents while all of this was going on?

PP, I'm sorry, but how dare you use the word "kindness" in any sentence or paragraph referring to these animals that killed him.

I would like to think that it wasn't complete hell for this little boy, that he got to lie down and sleep for some of it. How dare me not want it to have been 15 hours of pain and agony and desperate fear?

Not that PP, but if you want to believe that, go right ahead. If it helps you sleep at night, fine. But please keep that to yourself. To ascribe kindness to this coldblooded murderer goes beyond the pale and is outrageous.

You can 100% condemn something and someone and 100% be sickened by something they did that is, itself, beyond the pale of any humanity, and still imagine him letting a ten year old boy lie down in his bed. I don't get the outrageous of that. i am here in this thread because I am obsessed and horrified by this. and we are all imagining what it was like in that house. was there any humanity or kindness shown the hostages in those 18 hours. maybe not. but imagining some shown doesn't detract 1 bit from the horror. It probably just means I have a bigger imagination that you - one that can comprehend how evil and burtality and glimmers of generoisty can exist even in teh worst peopel