Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:I always thought she was a fake fraud because she’s a Jewish girl from California who had a ton of surgeries to try to look Nordic or something and then got married and tried to brand herself like some New England WASP mom. Everything about her is fake. Look at how she looked in her teens to now. Her face is totally different. It’s startling.

She is not Jewish. She was raised southern Baptist, but interesting that you assumed she is Jewish and she was determined to look Nordic and be a WASP. Sounds like you created a whole narrative in your head.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading a thread on Reddit where most people see an uncomfortable person trying to politely redirect a handsy director. So, I concede, there are a few ways to read this. It’s certainly an interesting case given the setting. Actors acting. He has one vision; she has another.

I think it will come down to having an IC present to avoid situations like this.

Agree, and also want to note this is one scene. Lively's complaint is a series of events, of which this is just one.

I don't think this footage exonerates him or PR best her complaint. I see two people who don't like each other but have to work closely together. I see a somewhat demanding, hard to work with star. I see a director who is aggravated with that and overlooking/ignoring the fact that she does not seem happy or comfortable.

Beyond that, I don't know.

You’re in the minority. She is an *actress* acting the role of someone falling in love. this isn’t the scene from Last Tango in Paris.

In the minority on what? I'm just saying this is just one scene and I don't think it resolves the question of whether his behavior on set crossed the line. She also alleges that he repeatedly told her he had been communicating with her dead father -- this footage doesn't speak to that. She says they pressured her to do nudity in the birthing scene -- this footage doesn't speak to that. She says Heath came into the makeup trailer while she was having body makeup removed and refused to turn around to give her privacy -- this footage doesn't speak to that.

I have no idea if she was harassed or not but this footage does not actually resolve that question. What I see is a director/star who doesn't really get along with his costar and a tense scene where he is trying to initiate more physical intimacy between their characters and Lively is pushing back on that in several different ways. I don't think that means he harassed her. It's just what I'm seeing with my eyes in this scene. This is not some smoking gun for either of them.

This footage strongly contradicts one of her claims, which casts doubt on the rest of them.

In sexual harassment law, the contact has to be *unwelcome.* Zero indication of that here, and to the extent she claims that a kiss WHILE FILMING A ROMANTIC SCENE is “unwelcome,” she sounds totally delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you could argue that when the director is one of the actors involved in a scene with intimacy, they should have an IC on set because it creates a weird dynamic. Especially in a situation like this where the director is playing a guy who turns out to be abusive.

I think, watching this, that the lines between Baldoni the director, Baldoni the actor, and Ryle the character, are getting crossed in ways that could be confusing or upsetting for his costar.

That doesn't mean I think he's a harasser. I don't. But I think the situation could have been handled better by the studio and by Baldoni himself, as they were in charge of the production.

The issue here is they are supposed to be acting a scene as characters in love and she doesn't want to stay in character by either staying silent as instructed, or just improvising some light in character dialogue. The talking muddled the boundaries so now instead of Lily and Ryle touching it's Blake and Justin touching. It's awkward.

We never see Baldoni say "let's do this in character" or "I want to improvise in character even though we aren't doing audio" though. He says he "was told" by others that he needed to get her to stop talking. Why doesn't he just say "Blake, we need a take without us talking, let's just act it out without words"? I see the part at the beginning where she's talking about how she likes the idea of them talking during this scene because that's how she and her husband fell in love, but Baldoni is passive about it. He just kind of ignores her and is like touching her face and nuzzling her. Why isn't he more direct about it?

His approach to directing in that scene was annoying to me. He won't just say "this is what I want" and he also doesn't try to find a diplomatic solution ("we'll do one take talking and one without, so we have both options"). Instead he's kind of passive aggressive, not giving Lively specific direction but just kind of trying to override her by playing the scene totally differently than what she's suggesting. It *is* awkward but I feel like the awkwardness is on Baldoni, who is the director and could have taken more control of the scene and done a better job communicating to his costar.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you could argue that when the director is one of the actors involved in a scene with intimacy, they should have an IC on set because it creates a weird dynamic. Especially in a situation like this where the director is playing a guy who turns out to be abusive.

I think, watching this, that the lines between Baldoni the director, Baldoni the actor, and Ryle the character, are getting crossed in ways that could be confusing or upsetting for his costar.

That doesn't mean I think he's a harasser. I don't. But I think the situation could have been handled better by the studio and by Baldoni himself, as they were in charge of the production.

OMG!!! She is an actress. If she is “confused” about her costar in a romantic movie kissing her, she needs a new job.

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Anonymous wrote:I always thought she was a fake fraud because she’s a Jewish girl from California who had a ton of surgeries to try to look Nordic or something and then got married and tried to brand herself like some New England WASP mom. Everything about her is fake. Look at how she looked in her teens to now. Her face is totally different. It’s startling.

She is not Jewish. She was raised southern Baptist, but interesting that you assumed she is Jewish and she was determined to look Nordic and be a WASP. Sounds like you created a whole narrative in your head.

Baptist is a religion, Jewish is an ethnicity.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading a thread on Reddit where most people see an uncomfortable person trying to politely redirect a handsy director. So, I concede, there are a few ways to read this. It’s certainly an interesting case given the setting. Actors acting. He has one vision; she has another.

I think it will come down to having an IC present to avoid situations like this.

Agree, and also want to note this is one scene. Lively's complaint is a series of events, of which this is just one.

I don't think this footage exonerates him or PR best her complaint. I see two people who don't like each other but have to work closely together. I see a somewhat demanding, hard to work with star. I see a director who is aggravated with that and overlooking/ignoring the fact that she does not seem happy or comfortable.

Beyond that, I don't know.

You’re in the minority. She is an *actress* acting the role of someone falling in love. this isn’t the scene from Last Tango in Paris.

In the minority on what? I'm just saying this is just one scene and I don't think it resolves the question of whether his behavior on set crossed the line. She also alleges that he repeatedly told her he had been communicating with her dead father -- this footage doesn't speak to that. She says they pressured her to do nudity in the birthing scene -- this footage doesn't speak to that. She says Heath came into the makeup trailer while she was having body makeup removed and refused to turn around to give her privacy -- this footage doesn't speak to that.

I have no idea if she was harassed or not but this footage does not actually resolve that question. What I see is a director/star who doesn't really get along with his costar and a tense scene where he is trying to initiate more physical intimacy between their characters and Lively is pushing back on that in several different ways. I don't think that means he harassed her. It's just what I'm seeing with my eyes in this scene. This is not some smoking gun for either of them.

This footage strongly contradicts one of her claims, which casts doubt on the rest of them.

In sexual harassment law, the contact has to be *unwelcome.* Zero indication of that here, and to the extent she claims that a kiss WHILE FILMING A ROMANTIC SCENE is “unwelcome,” she sounds totally delusional.

Which of her claims does it contradict? Her complaint says that Baldoni was kissing her neck and arms and face during a scene which the script describes as them simply slow dancing. That's what the footage shows. Her complaint also says that they were out of character, just talking, when he says "it smells good" in a way that felt inappropriate given the context of the conversation. I think this is subjective and can see it from her perspective and from his. But the footage doesn't contradict what her complaint says -- her complaint literally describes what I'm seeing that scene.

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Anonymous wrote:I always thought she was a fake fraud because she’s a Jewish girl from California who had a ton of surgeries to try to look Nordic or something and then got married and tried to brand herself like some New England WASP mom. Everything about her is fake. Look at how she looked in her teens to now. Her face is totally different. It’s startling.

Isn't this a lot of actors though? I assume most of them have had plastic surgery. Also having procedures like that in your teens... how much of that is her doing what she wants, versus her parents/agents/industry people telling her what to do in order to get jobs?

Not saying she's a total innocent -- I've never really liked her and find her arrogant and annoying. But I have trouble working up anger about her plastic surgery when it's so common and was probably necessary for having a career.

Baldoni hasn't embraced his Jewishness either so what's the issue?

Blake Lively is not Jewish. She's Scottish, English and German.

I’m Jewish and I have eyes. Google photos when she was a teen. That’s a Jewish gal.

Can you explain this to those of us who are not Jewish? How can you tell by looking at a teen photo?

This poster is not Jewish. Many non-Jewish people have big noses.

It ain’t just her nose. That’s for damn sure. IYKYK

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Anonymous wrote:I think you could argue that when the director is one of the actors involved in a scene with intimacy, they should have an IC on set because it creates a weird dynamic. Especially in a situation like this where the director is playing a guy who turns out to be abusive.

I think, watching this, that the lines between Baldoni the director, Baldoni the actor, and Ryle the character, are getting crossed in ways that could be confusing or upsetting for his costar.

That doesn't mean I think he's a harasser. I don't. But I think the situation could have been handled better by the studio and by Baldoni himself, as they were in charge of the production.

OMG!!! She is an actress. If she is “confused” about her costar in a romantic movie kissing her, she needs a new job.

The script does not specify that they are kissing or being intimate. It describes them as slow dancing and "being in their own world" in the middle of a crowded bar. I can understand being confused when he's like kissing her neck and arms. That seems weird to me -- I remember the night I fell in love with my DH -- we went to a concert and then to a bar afterwards with friends, and we were very into each other but he wasn't like initiating a make out session in the middle of a crowd. It was like holding hands and looking at each other a lot, and talking just to each other.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading a thread on Reddit where most people see an uncomfortable person trying to politely redirect a handsy director. So, I concede, there are a few ways to read this. It’s certainly an interesting case given the setting. Actors acting. He has one vision; she has another.

I think it will come down to having an IC present to avoid situations like this.

Agree, and also want to note this is one scene. Lively's complaint is a series of events, of which this is just one.

I don't think this footage exonerates him or PR best her complaint. I see two people who don't like each other but have to work closely together. I see a somewhat demanding, hard to work with star. I see a director who is aggravated with that and overlooking/ignoring the fact that she does not seem happy or comfortable.

Beyond that, I don't know.

You’re in the minority. She is an *actress* acting the role of someone falling in love. this isn’t the scene from Last Tango in Paris.

In the minority on what? I'm just saying this is just one scene and I don't think it resolves the question of whether his behavior on set crossed the line. She also alleges that he repeatedly told her he had been communicating with her dead father -- this footage doesn't speak to that. She says they pressured her to do nudity in the birthing scene -- this footage doesn't speak to that. She says Heath came into the makeup trailer while she was having body makeup removed and refused to turn around to give her privacy -- this footage doesn't speak to that.

I have no idea if she was harassed or not but this footage does not actually resolve that question. What I see is a director/star who doesn't really get along with his costar and a tense scene where he is trying to initiate more physical intimacy between their characters and Lively is pushing back on that in several different ways. I don't think that means he harassed her. It's just what I'm seeing with my eyes in this scene. This is not some smoking gun for either of them.

This footage strongly contradicts one of her claims, which casts doubt on the rest of them.

In sexual harassment law, the contact has to be *unwelcome.* Zero indication of that here, and to the extent she claims that a kiss WHILE FILMING A ROMANTIC SCENE is “unwelcome,” she sounds totally delusional.

Which of her claims does it contradict? Her complaint says that Baldoni was kissing her neck and arms and face during a scene which the script describes as them simply slow dancing. That's what the footage shows. Her complaint also says that they were out of character, just talking, when he says "it smells good" in a way that felt inappropriate given the context of the conversation. I think this is subjective and can see it from her perspective and from his. But the footage doesn't contradict what her complaint says -- her complaint literally describes what I'm seeing that scene.

The claim that he was sexually harassing her in this scene. This scene shows two actors acting a romantic slow dancing scene, not harassment as Lively claimed. Even if she felt the contact was unwanted, that was totally subjective and unreasonable (because they are ACTING a romantic scene).

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Anonymous wrote:I always thought she was a fake fraud because she’s a Jewish girl from California who had a ton of surgeries to try to look Nordic or something and then got married and tried to brand herself like some New England WASP mom. Everything about her is fake. Look at how she looked in her teens to now. Her face is totally different. It’s startling.

Isn't this a lot of actors though? I assume most of them have had plastic surgery. Also having procedures like that in your teens... how much of that is her doing what she wants, versus her parents/agents/industry people telling her what to do in order to get jobs?

Not saying she's a total innocent -- I've never really liked her and find her arrogant and annoying. But I have trouble working up anger about her plastic surgery when it's so common and was probably necessary for having a career.

Baldoni hasn't embraced his Jewishness either so what's the issue?

Blake Lively is not Jewish. She's Scottish, English and German.

I’m Jewish and I have eyes. Google photos when she was a teen. That’s a Jewish gal.

Can you explain this to those of us who are not Jewish? How can you tell by looking at a teen photo?

This poster is not Jewish. Many non-Jewish people have big noses.

It ain’t just her nose. That’s for damn sure. IYKYK

her parents surnames were Brown and McAlpin. I don’t think there’s any Jewish heritage there.

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Anonymous wrote:I always thought she was a fake fraud because she’s a Jewish girl from California who had a ton of surgeries to try to look Nordic or something and then got married and tried to brand herself like some New England WASP mom. Everything about her is fake. Look at how she looked in her teens to now. Her face is totally different. It’s startling.

Isn't this a lot of actors though? I assume most of them have had plastic surgery. Also having procedures like that in your teens... how much of that is her doing what she wants, versus her parents/agents/industry people telling her what to do in order to get jobs?

Not saying she's a total innocent -- I've never really liked her and find her arrogant and annoying. But I have trouble working up anger about her plastic surgery when it's so common and was probably necessary for having a career.

Baldoni hasn't embraced his Jewishness either so what's the issue?

Blake Lively is not Jewish. She's Scottish, English and German.

I’m Jewish and I have eyes. Google photos when she was a teen. That’s a Jewish gal.

Can you explain this to those of us who are not Jewish? How can you tell by looking at a teen photo?

This poster is not Jewish. Many non-Jewish people have big noses.

It ain’t just her nose. That’s for damn sure. IYKYK

Ok anti-Semite. We know that's what you are.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you could argue that when the director is one of the actors involved in a scene with intimacy, they should have an IC on set because it creates a weird dynamic. Especially in a situation like this where the director is playing a guy who turns out to be abusive.

I think, watching this, that the lines between Baldoni the director, Baldoni the actor, and Ryle the character, are getting crossed in ways that could be confusing or upsetting for his costar.

That doesn't mean I think he's a harasser. I don't. But I think the situation could have been handled better by the studio and by Baldoni himself, as they were in charge of the production.

The issue here is they are supposed to be acting a scene as characters in love and she doesn't want to stay in character by either staying silent as instructed, or just improvising some light in character dialogue. The talking muddled the boundaries so now instead of Lily and Ryle touching it's Blake and Justin touching. It's awkward.

We never see Baldoni say "let's do this in character" or "I want to improvise in character even though we aren't doing audio" though. He says he "was told" by others that he needed to get her to stop talking. Why doesn't he just say "Blake, we need a take without us talking, let's just act it out without words"? I see the part at the beginning where she's talking about how she likes the idea of them talking during this scene because that's how she and her husband fell in love, but Baldoni is passive about it. He just kind of ignores her and is like touching her face and nuzzling her. Why isn't he more direct about it?

His approach to directing in that scene was annoying to me. He won't just say "this is what I want" and he also doesn't try to find a diplomatic solution ("we'll do one take talking and one without, so we have both options"). Instead he's kind of passive aggressive, not giving Lively specific direction but just kind of trying to override her by playing the scene totally differently than what she's suggesting. It *is* awkward but I feel like the awkwardness is on Baldoni, who is the director and could have taken more control of the scene and done a better job communicating to his costar.

What? They are filming a scene, why would he have to say, “let’s do this in character”? They are supposed to be in character! Anytime he is kissing her, they are in character. He does give direction. Doesn’t he say something like “let’s do this” before she lifts her hair and he kisses her neck? And don’t they talk about almost kissing before they start to kiss and then pull away?

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Anonymous wrote:I think you could argue that when the director is one of the actors involved in a scene with intimacy, they should have an IC on set because it creates a weird dynamic. Especially in a situation like this where the director is playing a guy who turns out to be abusive.

I think, watching this, that the lines between Baldoni the director, Baldoni the actor, and Ryle the character, are getting crossed in ways that could be confusing or upsetting for his costar.

That doesn't mean I think he's a harasser. I don't. But I think the situation could have been handled better by the studio and by Baldoni himself, as they were in charge of the production.

OMG!!! She is an actress. If she is “confused” about her costar in a romantic movie kissing her, she needs a new job.

The script does not specify that they are kissing or being intimate. It describes them as slow dancing and "being in their own world" in the middle of a crowded bar. I can understand being confused when he's like kissing her neck and arms. That seems weird to me -- I remember the night I fell in love with my DH -- we went to a concert and then to a bar afterwards with friends, and we were very into each other but he wasn't like initiating a make out session in the middle of a crowd. It was like holding hands and looking at each other a lot, and talking just to each other.

It’s NOT sexual harassment to act out a scene of … two people falling in love … with a kiss, ffs. That claim is completely absurd and untenable. her specific allegation about the comment about “you smell good” was totally disproven by this showing the full context. If she felt subjectively uncomfortable, that was unreasonable on her part and cannot be the basis for a sexual harassment claim. It would be like if your job was a lactation consultant and you claimed that a woman’s bare breast offended you.

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I think I’m starting to warm to the theory that Blake Lively was having difficulty because Baldoni was in fact attractive to her. She’s pretty dumb and a bad actress so she wasn’t able to compartmentalize it or use it for the character. So she gets confused during the dance scene because she finds herself attracted to him and gets nervous. Then because she cannot admit to how she felt she claims it was “unwanted”.

Think about it - not playing into the RR is gay thing, but Baldoni is the polar opposite of waspy RR. Dark, strong features, sensual, dripping with sex appeal.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you could argue that when the director is one of the actors involved in a scene with intimacy, they should have an IC on set because it creates a weird dynamic. Especially in a situation like this where the director is playing a guy who turns out to be abusive.

I think, watching this, that the lines between Baldoni the director, Baldoni the actor, and Ryle the character, are getting crossed in ways that could be confusing or upsetting for his costar.

That doesn't mean I think he's a harasser. I don't. But I think the situation could have been handled better by the studio and by Baldoni himself, as they were in charge of the production.

OMG!!! She is an actress. If she is “confused” about her costar in a romantic movie kissing her, she needs a new job.

The script does not specify that they are kissing or being intimate. It describes them as slow dancing and "being in their own world" in the middle of a crowded bar. I can understand being confused when he's like kissing her neck and arms. That seems weird to me -- I remember the night I fell in love with my DH -- we went to a concert and then to a bar afterwards with friends, and we were very into each other but he wasn't like initiating a make out session in the middle of a crowd. It was like holding hands and looking at each other a lot, and talking just to each other.

It’s NOT sexual harassment to act out a scene of … two people falling in love … with a kiss, ffs. That claim is completely absurd and untenable. her specific allegation about the comment about “you smell good” was totally disproven by this showing the full context. If she felt subjectively uncomfortable, that was unreasonable on her part and cannot be the basis for a sexual harassment claim. It would be like if your job was a lactation consultant and you claimed that a woman’s bare breast offended you.

Her account also claims that he was talking when he shouldn’t have been when SHE was the one encouraging him to talk by saying that’s what she and her husband do