Fleeing APS schools for FFX County

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or what? You’ll vote for that guy who wants to give even less to schools?
Great plan,Chief!

Yes. Let’s just do nothing and then complain about it later. Good approach.

You think making the situation affirmatively worse is better than maintaining the status quo for one more year? I don't think you understand the dynamics here. Vihstadt is willing to do far more for schools than de Ferranti, and he's opposed to further expansion of AH while de Ferranti supports its expansion. If we vote out Vihstadt in favor of de Ferranti, the message we will send to the CB is that voters want AH and don't want more money going to schools.

Dorsey and Cristol (both of whom are hostile to school funding) are both up for reelection in 2019. That's the year to make our statement. Not this year.

Cite please?

He's not wholly opposed to AH, but he definitely favors greater restraint in its growth than the rest of the board:

Last December, Vihstadt voted against a proposal for the county surplus (which ultimately passed anyway) in part because he didn't think extra funds should be allocated to the Affordable Housing Investment Fund: https://www.arlnow.com/2017/11/29/board-allocates-closeout-funds-to-affordable-housing-other-items/

Vihstadt supports mixed-income buildings and developments rather than 100% affordable/low-income units and opposed a proposal to require projects involving public facilities such as community centers to also include affordable housing: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/ideas-for-adding-affordable-housing-will-get-airing-in-arlington-saturday/2015/03/26/2cc83798-d25f-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html?utm_term=.e30a6a930958

Was the only "no" vote on a proposal to make it harder for developers to convert multi-family dwellings to SFHs (a practice that tends to reduce the amount of affordable housing): https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/arlington-creates-housing-conservation-district--but-some-say-too-quickly/2017/12/16/db9c91a6-e283-11e7-bbd0-9dfb2e37492a_story.html?utm_term=.8ab2b3b893e3

He also had some choice comments in the joint SB/CB work session this spring, but I'm not going to sift through a couple of hours of video to find them, you can watch it for yourself.

He tends to side with individual homeowners. Someone in this county should.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or what? You’ll vote for that guy who wants to give even less to schools?
Great plan,Chief!

Yes. Let’s just do nothing and then complain about it later. Good approach.

You think making the situation affirmatively worse is better than maintaining the status quo for one more year? I don't think you understand the dynamics here. Vihstadt is willing to do far more for schools than de Ferranti, and he's opposed to further expansion of AH while de Ferranti supports its expansion. If we vote out Vihstadt in favor of de Ferranti, the message we will send to the CB is that voters want AH and don't want more money going to schools.

Dorsey and Cristol (both of whom are hostile to school funding) are both up for reelection in 2019. That's the year to make our statement. Not this year.

Cite please?

Look it up yourself

DP. That’s not how this works. If you can’t back up your statements then STFU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or what? You’ll vote for that guy who wants to give even less to schools?
Great plan,Chief!

Yes. Let’s just do nothing and then complain about it later. Good approach.

You think making the situation affirmatively worse is better than maintaining the status quo for one more year? I don't think you understand the dynamics here. Vihstadt is willing to do far more for schools than de Ferranti, and he's opposed to further expansion of AH while de Ferranti supports its expansion. If we vote out Vihstadt in favor of de Ferranti, the message we will send to the CB is that voters want AH and don't want more money going to schools.

Dorsey and Cristol (both of whom are hostile to school funding) are both up for reelection in 2019. That's the year to make our statement. Not this year.

Cite please?

Look it up yourself

DP. That’s not how this works. If you can’t back up your statements then STFU.

1) Someone already posted links, so calm down.

2) While I agree in general that people should be prepared to back up their assertions with support, there are also some things that shouldn't be considered controversial or questionable to anyone who is paying attention. Would you demand proof from someone who said there's a FARMS disparity between North and South Arlington schools? That there are five members on the APS School Board? At what point do people have a responsibility to minimally educate themselves on issues rather than demanding everyone else take the time to educate themselves and then spoonfeed that information to people who can't be bothered?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or what? You’ll vote for that guy who wants to give even less to schools?
Great plan,Chief!

Yes. Let’s just do nothing and then complain about it later. Good approach.

You think making the situation affirmatively worse is better than maintaining the status quo for one more year? I don't think you understand the dynamics here. Vihstadt is willing to do far more for schools than de Ferranti, and he's opposed to further expansion of AH while de Ferranti supports its expansion. If we vote out Vihstadt in favor of de Ferranti, the message we will send to the CB is that voters want AH and don't want more money going to schools.

Dorsey and Cristol (both of whom are hostile to school funding) are both up for reelection in 2019. That's the year to make our statement. Not this year.

Cite please?

Look it up yourself

DP. That’s not how this works. If you can’t back up your statements then STFU.

1) Someone already posted links, so calm down.

2) While I agree in general that people should be prepared to back up their assertions with support, there are also some things that shouldn't be considered controversial or questionable to anyone who is paying attention. Would you demand proof from someone who said there's a FARMS disparity between North and South Arlington schools? That there are five members on the APS School Board? At what point do people have a responsibility to minimally educate themselves on issues rather than demanding everyone else take the time to educate themselves and then spoonfeed that information to people who can't be bothered?

AMEN

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or what? You’ll vote for that guy who wants to give even less to schools?
Great plan,Chief!

Yes. Let’s just do nothing and then complain about it later. Good approach.

You think making the situation affirmatively worse is better than maintaining the status quo for one more year? I don't think you understand the dynamics here. Vihstadt is willing to do far more for schools than de Ferranti, and he's opposed to further expansion of AH while de Ferranti supports its expansion. If we vote out Vihstadt in favor of de Ferranti, the message we will send to the CB is that voters want AH and don't want more money going to schools.

Dorsey and Cristol (both of whom are hostile to school funding) are both up for reelection in 2019. That's the year to make our statement. Not this year.

Cite please?

He's not wholly opposed to AH, but he definitely favors greater restraint in its growth than the rest of the board:

Last December, Vihstadt voted against a proposal for the county surplus (which ultimately passed anyway) in part because he didn't think extra funds should be allocated to the Affordable Housing Investment Fund: https://www.arlnow.com/2017/11/29/board-allocates-closeout-funds-to-affordable-housing-other-items/

Vihstadt supports mixed-income buildings and developments rather than 100% affordable/low-income units and opposed a proposal to require projects involving public facilities such as community centers to also include affordable housing: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/ideas-for-adding-affordable-housing-will-get-airing-in-arlington-saturday/2015/03/26/2cc83798-d25f-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html?utm_term=.e30a6a930958

Was the only "no" vote on a proposal to make it harder for developers to convert multi-family dwellings to SFHs (a practice that tends to reduce the amount of affordable housing): https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/arlington-creates-housing-conservation-district--but-some-say-too-quickly/2017/12/16/db9c91a6-e283-11e7-bbd0-9dfb2e37492a_story.html?utm_term=.8ab2b3b893e3

He also had some choice comments in the joint SB/CB work session this spring, but I'm not going to sift through a couple of hours of video to find them, you can watch it for yourself.

He tends to side with individual homeowners. Someone in this county should.

Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or what? You’ll vote for that guy who wants to give even less to schools?
Great plan,Chief!

Yes. Let’s just do nothing and then complain about it later. Good approach.

You think making the situation affirmatively worse is better than maintaining the status quo for one more year? I don't think you understand the dynamics here. Vihstadt is willing to do far more for schools than de Ferranti, and he's opposed to further expansion of AH while de Ferranti supports its expansion. If we vote out Vihstadt in favor of de Ferranti, the message we will send to the CB is that voters want AH and don't want more money going to schools.

Dorsey and Cristol (both of whom are hostile to school funding) are both up for reelection in 2019. That's the year to make our statement. Not this year.

Cite please?

Look it up yourself

DP. That’s not how this works. If you can’t back up your statements then STFU.

1) Someone already posted links, so calm down.

2) While I agree in general that people should be prepared to back up their assertions with support, there are also some things that shouldn't be considered controversial or questionable to anyone who is paying attention. Would you demand proof from someone who said there's a FARMS disparity between North and South Arlington schools? That there are five members on the APS School Board? At what point do people have a responsibility to minimally educate themselves on issues rather than demanding everyone else take the time to educate themselves and then spoonfeed that information to people who can't be bothered?

His “opposition to further expansion of AH” is NOT a well-known “fact”. He HAS voted to expand AH and still considers lack of affordable housing to be a big issue in 2018.

If you want to make disputable statements back them up. Or just stfu.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or what? You’ll vote for that guy who wants to give even less to schools?
Great plan,Chief!

Yes. Let’s just do nothing and then complain about it later. Good approach.

You think making the situation affirmatively worse is better than maintaining the status quo for one more year? I don't think you understand the dynamics here. Vihstadt is willing to do far more for schools than de Ferranti, and he's opposed to further expansion of AH while de Ferranti supports its expansion. If we vote out Vihstadt in favor of de Ferranti, the message we will send to the CB is that voters want AH and don't want more money going to schools.

Dorsey and Cristol (both of whom are hostile to school funding) are both up for reelection in 2019. That's the year to make our statement. Not this year.

Cite please?

Look it up yourself

DP. That’s not how this works. If you can’t back up your statements then STFU.

1) Someone already posted links, so calm down.

2) While I agree in general that people should be prepared to back up their assertions with support, there are also some things that shouldn't be considered controversial or questionable to anyone who is paying attention. Would you demand proof from someone who said there's a FARMS disparity between North and South Arlington schools? That there are five members on the APS School Board? At what point do people have a responsibility to minimally educate themselves on issues rather than demanding everyone else take the time to educate themselves and then spoonfeed that information to people who can't be bothered?

His “opposition to further expansion of AH” is NOT a well-known “fact”. He HAS voted to expand AH and still considers lack of affordable housing to be a big issue in 2018.

If you want to make disputable statements back them up. Or just stfu.

Dp- It’s all listed above you. Anyone who has been following arlington politics would understand the dynamics at play. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or what? You’ll vote for that guy who wants to give even less to schools?
Great plan,Chief!

Yes. Let’s just do nothing and then complain about it later. Good approach.

You think making the situation affirmatively worse is better than maintaining the status quo for one more year? I don't think you understand the dynamics here. Vihstadt is willing to do far more for schools than de Ferranti, and he's opposed to further expansion of AH while de Ferranti supports its expansion. If we vote out Vihstadt in favor of de Ferranti, the message we will send to the CB is that voters want AH and don't want more money going to schools.

Dorsey and Cristol (both of whom are hostile to school funding) are both up for reelection in 2019. That's the year to make our statement. Not this year.

Cite please?

Look it up yourself

DP. That’s not how this works. If you can’t back up your statements then STFU.

1) Someone already posted links, so calm down.

2) While I agree in general that people should be prepared to back up their assertions with support, there are also some things that shouldn't be considered controversial or questionable to anyone who is paying attention. Would you demand proof from someone who said there's a FARMS disparity between North and South Arlington schools? That there are five members on the APS School Board? At what point do people have a responsibility to minimally educate themselves on issues rather than demanding everyone else take the time to educate themselves and then spoonfeed that information to people who can't be bothered?

His “opposition to further expansion of AH” is NOT a well-known “fact”. He HAS voted to expand AH and still considers lack of affordable housing to be a big issue in 2018.

If you want to make disputable statements back them up. Or just stfu.

Are you waiting for a candidate to PUBLICLY OPPOSE AH? In Arlington? Oh sweetie... you are hopelessly uninformed. Nobody here has that kind of time and energy. Start reading ARLnow and go back through old threads here. You’ve got a lot of catching up to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or what? You’ll vote for that guy who wants to give even less to schools?
Great plan,Chief!

Yes. Let’s just do nothing and then complain about it later. Good approach.

You think making the situation affirmatively worse is better than maintaining the status quo for one more year? I don't think you understand the dynamics here. Vihstadt is willing to do far more for schools than de Ferranti, and he's opposed to further expansion of AH while de Ferranti supports its expansion. If we vote out Vihstadt in favor of de Ferranti, the message we will send to the CB is that voters want AH and don't want more money going to schools.

Dorsey and Cristol (both of whom are hostile to school funding) are both up for reelection in 2019. That's the year to make our statement. Not this year.

Cite please?

Look it up yourself

DP. That’s not how this works. If you can’t back up your statements then STFU.

1) Someone already posted links, so calm down.

2) While I agree in general that people should be prepared to back up their assertions with support, there are also some things that shouldn't be considered controversial or questionable to anyone who is paying attention. Would you demand proof from someone who said there's a FARMS disparity between North and South Arlington schools? That there are five members on the APS School Board? At what point do people have a responsibility to minimally educate themselves on issues rather than demanding everyone else take the time to educate themselves and then spoonfeed that information to people who can't be bothered?

His “opposition to further expansion of AH” is NOT a well-known “fact”. He HAS voted to expand AH and still considers lack of affordable housing to be a big issue in 2018.

If you want to make disputable statements back them up. Or just stfu.

Dp- It’s all listed above you. Anyone who has been following arlington politics would understand the dynamics at play. Stop embarrassing yourself.

You’re still just making some assumptions here.

Just because he wants to make informed, controlled decisions about AH expansion doesn’t mean he opposes it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or what? You’ll vote for that guy who wants to give even less to schools?
Great plan,Chief!

Yes. Let’s just do nothing and then complain about it later. Good approach.

You think making the situation affirmatively worse is better than maintaining the status quo for one more year? I don't think you understand the dynamics here. Vihstadt is willing to do far more for schools than de Ferranti, and he's opposed to further expansion of AH while de Ferranti supports its expansion. If we vote out Vihstadt in favor of de Ferranti, the message we will send to the CB is that voters want AH and don't want more money going to schools.

Dorsey and Cristol (both of whom are hostile to school funding) are both up for reelection in 2019. That's the year to make our statement. Not this year.

Cite please?

Look it up yourself

DP. That’s not how this works. If you can’t back up your statements then STFU.

1) Someone already posted links, so calm down.

2) While I agree in general that people should be prepared to back up their assertions with support, there are also some things that shouldn't be considered controversial or questionable to anyone who is paying attention. Would you demand proof from someone who said there's a FARMS disparity between North and South Arlington schools? That there are five members on the APS School Board? At what point do people have a responsibility to minimally educate themselves on issues rather than demanding everyone else take the time to educate themselves and then spoonfeed that information to people who can't be bothered?

His “opposition to further expansion of AH” is NOT a well-known “fact”. He HAS voted to expand AH and still considers lack of affordable housing to be a big issue in 2018.

If you want to make disputable statements back them up. Or just stfu.

Dp- It’s all listed above you. Anyone who has been following arlington politics would understand the dynamics at play. Stop embarrassing yourself.

You’re still just making some assumptions here.

Just because he wants to make informed, controlled decisions about AH expansion doesn’t mean he opposes it.

That is “opposing it” in Arlington. What is your worry? That he will or won’t be elected? Because he will handily be re elected FYI.

[Anonymous]

I've worked for FCPS and have traveled to all schools within the FCPS from ES to HS and I noticed a few things:

- ES/MS/HS in places like Langley and Mclean are much better off than schools in places like Springfield. The PTA at schools in Mclean and Langley are flushed with$$$ from donations that they can buy things and take field trips that other schools just simply can not.

- The parents from Langley and Mclean are very pro-active in getting things for the classes, especially in ES. I guess having a lot of disposable incomes do help.

- ES kids from school in Springfield areas are mostly minorities, Hispanic and AA. A lot of them from single parent home with multiple siblings from different fathers. Not a very good environment to be in. Almost all of them have breakfast and lunch provide free of charge,

- ES kids from schools in Langley/Mclean are mostly white and Asians and I think they want to keep it that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've worked for FCPS and have traveled to all schools within the FCPS from ES to HS and I noticed a few things:

- ES/MS/HS in places like Langley and Mclean are much better off than schools in places like Springfield. The PTA at schools in Mclean and Langley are flushed with$$$ from donations that they can buy things and take field trips that other schools just simply can not.

- The parents from Langley and Mclean are very pro-active in getting things for the classes, especially in ES. I guess having a lot of disposable incomes do help.

- ES kids from school in Springfield areas are mostly minorities, Hispanic and AA. A lot of them from single parent home with multiple siblings from different fathers. Not a very good environment to be in. Almost all of them have breakfast and lunch provide free of charge,

- ES kids from schools in Langley/Mclean are mostly white and Asians and I think they want to keep it that way.

Deep insights.

[Anonymous]

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That is “opposing it” in Arlington. What is your worry? That he will or won’t be elected? Because he will handily be re elected FYI.

Some people want to have it both ways - when JV is running for reelection, to say he supports it, because they don't want him to look out of alignment with Arlington. Then when AH is being discussed outside the context of an election, to say JV opposes it, to make it appear as if opposition to AH is mainstream in Arlington.

You can't have it both ways. Not everyone in Arlington agrees on the priority for AH, or where it should be located, but its so mainstream that the least supportive member of the BoS has to support it and votes for it regularly. Quite different from say, the street car, or the Long Bridge Acquatics Center, which did not / do not have that breadth of support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've worked for FCPS and have traveled to all schools within the FCPS from ES to HS and I noticed a few things:

- ES/MS/HS in places like Langley and Mclean are much better off than schools in places like Springfield. The PTA at schools in Mclean and Langley are flushed with$$$ from donations that they can buy things and take field trips that other schools just simply can not.

- The parents from Langley and Mclean are very pro-active in getting things for the classes, especially in ES. I guess having a lot of disposable incomes do help.

- ES kids from school in Springfield areas are mostly minorities, Hispanic and AA. A lot of them from single parent home with multiple siblings from different fathers. Not a very good environment to be in. Almost all of them have breakfast and lunch provide free of charge,

- ES kids from schools in Langley/Mclean are mostly white and Asians and I think they want to keep it that way.

Another obvious, but important thing to note. McLean is so far, geographically, from Springfield, etc that there is no feasible way to integrate the schools by redistricting. Ergo McLean people can sit pretty, knowing they are beneficiaries of de facto segregation, without having to engage in the overt things that North Arlington people do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've worked for FCPS and have traveled to all schools within the FCPS from ES to HS and I noticed a few things:

- ES/MS/HS in places like Langley and Mclean are much better off than schools in places like Springfield. The PTA at schools in Mclean and Langley are flushed with$$$ from donations that they can buy things and take field trips that other schools just simply can not.

- The parents from Langley and Mclean are very pro-active in getting things for the classes, especially in ES. I guess having a lot of disposable incomes do help.

- ES kids from school in Springfield areas are mostly minorities, Hispanic and AA. A lot of them from single parent home with multiple siblings from different fathers. Not a very good environment to be in. Almost all of them have breakfast and lunch provide free of charge,

- ES kids from schools in Langley/Mclean are mostly white and Asians and I think they want to keep it that way.

Another obvious, but important thing to note. McLean is so far, geographically, from Springfield, etc that there is no feasible way to integrate the schools by redistricting. Ergo McLean people can sit pretty, knowing they are beneficiaries of de facto segregation, without having to engage in the overt things that North Arlington people do.

Springfield isn’t the only low-income area in Fairfax.

FCPS assigned Longfellow/McLean an area of Falls Church with lower-income apartments that is closer to Falls Church and Marshall HS decades ago. Kind of like APS creating what used to be the Yorktown island near Rosslyn/Court House before that area got more expensive.

They can assign some lower-income areas in Tysons or Reston to Cooper/Langley if they want to create some diversity there. School Board members for Langley traditionally have kept low-income neighborhoods out of Langley and then bragged about it when seeking re-election.