GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!

[Anonymous]

FWIW, the COGAT has always been read to the students. I was under the impression that they didn't need to read any part of it for the second grade test. The Naglieri has always been all shape based and requires no reading which is why they give that as well - to capture kids who aren't strong English speakers and/or readers.

[Anonymous]

No - this is a intelligence test - and human brain can process images better than words.

For the bazillionth time, the NNAT and CogAT are NOT intelligence tests. They are ability tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No - this is a intelligence test - and human brain can process images better than words.

For the bazillionth time, the NNAT and CogAT are NOT intelligence tests. They are ability tests.

http://www.pearsonassessments.com/HAIWEB/Cultures/en-us/Productdetail.htm?Pid=015-8706-005

Naglieri Nonverbal Ability Test®

Individually assess general nonverbal ability in children



http://www.riversidepublishing.com/products/cogAt/index.html

Cognitive Abilities Test™ (CogAT®)

Type: Group administered ability test battery

Purpose: To assess students’ abilities in reasoning and problem solving using verbal, quantitative, and nonverbal (spatial) symbols

[Anonymous]

And what determines ability? Intelligence

- you will not see a kid with poor intelligence- do well on an ability test such as the COGAT.

But since you all are so hung up on it, lets call it the ability test. Happy?

[Anonymous]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence

"Intelligence has been defined in different ways, including the abilities for abstract thought, understanding, communication, reasoning, learning, retaining, planning, and problem solving."

[Anonymous]

And what determines ability? Intelligence

- you will not see a kid with poor intelligence- do well on an ability test such as the COGAT.

But since you all are so hung up on it, lets call it the ability test. Happy?

Actually, no. It's not just semantics. Ability and intelligence are not the same thing or interchangeable. There are intelligence tests that measure IQ and there are tests like the NNAT and CogAT that measure ability. You can improve "ability" to perform well on these tests with practice & preparation; that's not true for tests that measure intelligence. So you may see a kid who has practiced be able to perform better than he otherwise would/should on the ability tests, but not on intelligence tests.

You act like others are being nit-picky with their words, but really you just seem not to understand that there are two distinct categories of tests. Nobody said there's no relation between the two, but they do measure different things.

[Anonymous]

What you say makes sense - there are a lot of children out there who have been prepped for these tests. Few of the children in AAP level IV are truly "Gifted" - including ours. (Though you could argue the definition of gifted....)

[Anonymous]

Well, maybe that's why they changed the name from "Gifted" to just "Advanced Academic". It would seem that studying and prepping should help one advance academically.

[Anonymous]

My understanding at the time of the name change was that it was to emphasize that the GT program was for those gifted specifically in academics. Before that there was sometimes some confusion that it was meant for children with any particular talent such as for music or art or athletics. So they changed the name to indicate that it was not a program for any talented child, but for those with a specific talent for academics. I think it was just to make the purpose of the program more clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And what determines ability? Intelligence

- you will not see a kid with poor intelligence- do well on an ability test such as the COGAT.

But since you all are so hung up on it, lets call it the ability test. Happy?

Actually, no. It's not just semantics. Ability and intelligence are not the same thing or interchangeable. There are intelligence tests that measure IQ and there are tests like the NNAT and CogAT that measure ability. You can improve "ability" to perform well on these tests with practice & preparation; that's not true for tests that measure intelligence. So you may see a kid who has practiced be able to perform better than he otherwise would/should on the ability tests, but not on intelligence tests.

You act like others are being nit-picky with their words, but really you just seem not to understand that there are two distinct categories of tests. Nobody said there's no relation between the two, but they do measure different things.

I guess you missed the definition right above your post, 13:14

[Anonymous]

Has anyone got the pool letter or score results from the county/school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My understanding at the time of the name change was that it was to emphasize that the GT program was for those gifted specifically in academics. Before that there was sometimes some confusion that it was meant for children with any particular talent such as for music or art or athletics. So they changed the name to indicate that it was not a program for any talented child, but for those with a specific talent for academics. I think it was just to make the purpose of the program more clear.

that's a good one! tks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone got the pool letter or score results from the county/school?

Letters and CogAT scores will be sent out next week. There are some schools that have informed parents of in-the-pool students already, mostly by phone but some by email.

[Anonymous]

We got an in pool letter today...Saturday. No scores yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We got an in pool letter today...Saturday. No scores yet.

Hi
Did you receive it from the school or by mail?