Why racial segregation is unacceptable but socioeconomic segregation is ok in private schools

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

Let me explain - I’ll make the math easy.

Say a public school gets 10k for a 10 kid class now. With the vouchers 5 of those public school kids go to private school and augment that 2x. The public school now has 5k and the private (now with 10k extra) can raise their tuition 7%, plus they still have large endowments to buy extras that the public school cannot afford. The private school kids get much much more, while the public schools suffer more. It’s really very simple.

It will pass legislation because people like me want the discount and people like you think you can get a better education. It’s already got my vote and my kids would be attending private anyway. So my tax money earmarked for a public school I don’t use is now going to subsidize my kid instead of yours.

Forgot to mention - those private schools that will accept he influx of ex-public kids will just get harder to get into, so they’ll rely more on legacy and recommendations - so if you’re not already upper class the door will shut tight and be sealed.

Maybe it's time for the rich people in publics to open their checkbooks and donate to their public schools the way private school parents do. There are quite a few of them according to PPs in here. Write those checks, and be the change. Don't they believe in their school enough to support it and help cover the needs?

Yeah every April 15th

Private school parents pay for public school too. And they pay a lot more than most.

Private school parents do not pay a lot more than most for public school through taxes. In absolutely numbers, working class people pay more as there are more of them. Your individual tax payment is a drop in the bucket in the city budget. Your payment is much closer to the individual payment of a working class person than it is to the receipts of the city’s top taxpayers (they aren’t individuals). Get over yourself. You aren’t that rich, you aren’t that smart.

They are the type to say “we pay the bills around here”. No, you just pay your kid’s tuition. That’s like someone who pays tuition at Harvard saying they pay the bills around Harvard. You don’t pay the teacher’s salary, your tuition is less than the lowest paid teacher.

You and PP need a quick lesson in simple math (obviously public school education). A tax payer who makes $1M (and many private school parents do) has an average effective tax rate of about 10%. A person with an income of $150k (MC) has an effective tax rate of 8%. DC uses approximately 20% of tax revenue for public schools. So the private school parents pays 20k/yr for your kid to go to school and the MC person pays $2400. So, yeah, rich people are already subsidizing your kids. Stop whining and wanting more money from us. And YES I’m absolutely voting for vouchers because I’d rather get a discount to send my kid to private school than pay for your kids.

20k is less than the cost of one pupil in DCPS. Paying less than cost of one pupil in DCPS is not footing the bill. Go check the multi billion dollar total budget of DCPS. 20k is a drop in the bucket.

Sure, but 20k is a heck of a lot more than most people pay!

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

Financial aid, yes that’s a literal that means charity. Scholarships, no that’s a payment for excellence.

You are an idiot. “Scholarships” in college work just like financial aid in private school. It’s easier for people who can pay “full sticker price” to get in. But many students, at some schools most students, get some scholarship funding to lessen the cost. The average price paid at many schools is far below sticker.

You are an idiot. Scholarship and financial aid are NOT the same thing. Not all scholarships are needs based. Scholarships are based on attaining high GPAs or having an unusual talent in sporting or arts valued by an institution. If you ever got one you would know that. All financial aid is needs based. Dummy.

This is pretty funny, as I actually got a full scholarship to several schools in my lifetime. Literally went to Harvard on a full tuition scholarship.

I went to school on a full scholarship as well. I was offered full scholarships to several schools including schools I did not even apply to. This was based on MERIT.

I have friends who also went to schools on scholarships, again based on merit. Some of them from rather wealthy families.

I also have friends who qualified for financial aid packages after filling out their FAFSAs which is based on need. I can dumb it down for those who don’t know the simple word “aid” which means help. Wealthy people don’t need and in most instances don’t qualify for help after filling out FAFSAs. Thats at the collegiate level, of course private k-12 schools are making their own rules concerning needs based cutoffs but either way, they are checking pockets before determining that “aid”. And still offering exceptionally talented people and athletes scholarships based on merit.

DC privates don’t give out financial aid to students who lack merit. That’s why they have to test and interview to qualify. Just like the Ivy League does not award scholarships for athletics but the recruited athletes get full financial aid awards, DC private schools offer financial aid/scholarships to high performing students and athletes that also have some financial need.

That’s not true for most schools. There are a lot scholarships for athletes and also for diversity. Not so much for academic performance. Of course you have to pass all exams, but the financial aid recipients are not always the smartest among classmates.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.


Discrimination has been going on since humanity lumbered from the primordial ooze. All races, every corner of earth, all since day one.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.

And the same groups of people who were targeted and discriminated against before the Civil Rights Act, are still the main targets of discrimination in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.


Discrimination has been going on since humanity lumbered from the primordial ooze. All races, every corner of earth, all since day one.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.

And the same groups of people who were targeted and discriminated against before the Civil Rights Act, are still the main targets of discrimination in this country.

But it’s illegal and they have recourse

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.


Discrimination has been going on since humanity lumbered from the primordial ooze. All races, every corner of earth, all since day one.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.

And the same groups of people who were targeted and discriminated against before the Civil Rights Act, are still the main targets of discrimination in this country.

But it’s illegal and they have recourse

Very little recourse and that’s why it has continued.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.


Discrimination has been going on since humanity lumbered from the primordial ooze. All races, every corner of earth, all since day one.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.

And the same groups of people who were targeted and discriminated against before the Civil Rights Act, are still the main targets of discrimination in this country.

But it’s illegal and they have recourse

Very little recourse and that’s why it has continued.

More recourse and less racism than before the “great society” and yet still worse outcomes while other racial minorities have sprung to the top of the US socioeconomic ladder.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.


Discrimination has been going on since humanity lumbered from the primordial ooze. All races, every corner of earth, all since day one.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.

And the same groups of people who were targeted and discriminated against before the Civil Rights Act, are still the main targets of discrimination in this country.

But it’s illegal and they have recourse

Very little recourse and that’s why it has continued.

More recourse and less racism than before the “great society” and yet still worse outcomes while other racial minorities have sprung to the top of the US socioeconomic ladder.

Hard to call the US a successful racist country when Indians and other Asians are now atop the socio-economic standings.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.


Discrimination has been going on since humanity lumbered from the primordial ooze. All races, every corner of earth, all since day one.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.

And the same groups of people who were targeted and discriminated against before the Civil Rights Act, are still the main targets of discrimination in this country.

But it’s illegal and they have recourse

Very little recourse and that’s why it has continued.

More recourse and less racism than before the “great society” and yet still worse outcomes while other racial minorities have sprung to the top of the US socioeconomic ladder.

Hard to call the US a successful racist country when Indians and other Asians are now atop the socio-economic standings.

Systematic discrimination hasn’t been targeting those groups and they are willing to assimilate.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.


Discrimination has been going on since humanity lumbered from the primordial ooze. All races, every corner of earth, all since day one.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.

And the same groups of people who were targeted and discriminated against before the Civil Rights Act, are still the main targets of discrimination in this country.

But it’s illegal and they have recourse

Very little recourse and that’s why it has continued.

More recourse and less racism than before the “great society” and yet still worse outcomes while other racial minorities have sprung to the top of the US socioeconomic ladder.

Hard to call the US a successful racist country when Indians and other Asians are now atop the socio-economic standings.

I agree. Its mostly a classist country, not so much racist. Which goes to the main point raised by OP.

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It's a private school OP, it's inherently classiest.

And I know, att need one for 12 long years; while I did receive a good education which helped me, socially it was unhelpful and bullying. One the plus side, I learned how well money talks by middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a private school OP, it's inherently classiest.

And I know, att need one for 12 long years; while I did receive a good education which helped me, socially it was unhelpful and bullying. One the plus side, I learned how well money talks by middle school.

Sort of classist, but there is one race of people which have been made into a permanent underclass.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a private school OP, it's inherently classiest.

And I know, att need one for 12 long years; while I did receive a good education which helped me, socially it was unhelpful and bullying. One the plus side, I learned how well money talks by middle school.

I agree, the irony is that this class differentiation feeds into the political polarization we observe today. So this socioeconomic exclusion is not innocuous. Carrying a rainbow or a Palestine flag doesn’t make things better.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.


Discrimination has been going on since humanity lumbered from the primordial ooze. All races, every corner of earth, all since day one.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.

And the same groups of people who were targeted and discriminated against before the Civil Rights Act, are still the main targets of discrimination in this country.

But it’s illegal and they have recourse

Very little recourse and that’s why it has continued.

More recourse and less racism than before the “great society” and yet still worse outcomes while other racial minorities have sprung to the top of the US socioeconomic ladder.

Hard to call the US a successful racist country when Indians and other Asians are now atop the socio-economic standings.

I agree. Its mostly a classist country, not so much racist. Which goes to the main point raised by OP.

It’s actually mainly an anti-Black country more than anything. Slowly becoming more hostile towards Hispanics, but historically not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.


Discrimination has been going on since humanity lumbered from the primordial ooze. All races, every corner of earth, all since day one.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.

And the same groups of people who were targeted and discriminated against before the Civil Rights Act, are still the main targets of discrimination in this country.

But it’s illegal and they have recourse

Very little recourse. Ask me how I know.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.


Discrimination has been going on since humanity lumbered from the primordial ooze. All races, every corner of earth, all since day one.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.

And the same groups of people who were targeted and discriminated against before the Civil Rights Act, are still the main targets of discrimination in this country.

But it’s illegal and they have recourse

Very little recourse and that’s why it has continued.

More recourse and less racism than before the “great society” and yet still worse outcomes while other racial minorities have sprung to the top of the US socioeconomic ladder.

Hard to call the US a successful racist country when Indians and other Asians are now atop the socio-economic standings.

I agree. Its mostly a classist country, not so much racist. Which goes to the main point raised by OP.

It’s actually mainly an anti-Black country more than anything. Slowly becoming more hostile towards Hispanics, but historically not so much.

Also very Islamophobic and anti middle eastern countries - especially post 9/11 and with the current climate of continuing to try to garner support to continue to bomb Iran and destabilize and take over other middle eastern countries.