Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

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The right hates free speech.

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Anonymous wrote:Judge has blocked his deportation

https://news.yahoo.com/federal-judge-blocks-trump-administration-from-deporting-pro-palestinian-activist-mahmoud-khalil-203724926.html

No he hasn't. This judge has no jurisdiction over Khalil.

LOL, did you go to the Trump University Law School?

Jesse Furman from the Southern District of New York doesn't have jurisdiction to hear a habeas petition of someone being held in Louisiana.

The filing was made when he was still in the NJ area. He was kidnapped by the government and shipped off to a GOP friendly circuit court jurisdiction.

Well, he is actively campaigning for and supporting people who engage in kidnapping (as well as torture and murder) so he probably understands the logistics of kidnapping better than most might. At least he’s got that going for him.

I actually don’t support this to be clear but I think the hysterics about “kidnapping” here are ridiculous. Khalil knows what actual kidnapping is — he has openly supported it. This is not kidnapping and the misuse of the phrase is appalling.

Your logic is appalling

This is kidnapping and your side is trying to brush it under the carpet so anyone else who might do something Trump won't like doesn't get their wind up and decide to band together.

Coz that is a lot of people he has targeted.

I literally wrote “I actually don’t support this to be clear” in my post. Also, I voted for Harris.

But facts and grounding in reality have never been the provenance of the pro-Palestine movement. So your inability to read doesn’t surprise me.

I know what you wrote.

It's not legal
And it's a dictator move

You can't just take people like this in country. Full stop

Well, it does seem to be something Khalil is quite in support of himself. But I agree that the US should have higher standards than Hamas, even if Khalil himself is a strong supporter of kidnapping innocents, including babies.

That having been said, this isn’t kidnapping and it’s offensive to describe it as such.

Armed officers physically removed him from his residence without legal cause to do so. How do you define it otherwise?

And then absconded to a secret location where his family and attorney cannot check if he is alive or dead.

He was kidnapped by plain clothes law enforcement of some kind, probably illegally, probably with no warrant, no probable cause, no due process.

This is dictatorship in action.

They will come for you next if you don't keep quiet, says the dictator.

Chilling. Horrifying. Nazi Germany II.

It seems you're confusing an arrest by law enforcement with the actions of Hamas on Oct. 7. The latter was kidnapping, along with rape and murder. The former can be litigated in court. The latter is being dealt with more definitively by the IDF.

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You keep going on and on. Why don't you start your own thread?

This is pertains American immigration laws and right of due process. Your PTSD may not get why people who don't care about Israel or Hamas (I certainly don't) would be scrutinizing this move by Trump.

Uh, oh! Somebody has been triggered!

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No sweetie

"Kidnapped", "kidnapped", "kidnapped:

Are you having tremors yet?

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Form I-485. If he knowling lied on that form, he obtained his green card fraudulently.

And if didn’t? He clearly was arrested for his political views which is a violation of the First Amendment and should make everyone very nervous.

Today Trump tweeted it was illegal to boycott Tesla— are people who protest at Tesla dealers the next to be arrested?

Haha. He wants his supporters to buy Tesla’s to support Elon. Like they can afford that.

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I feel bad for this man. This is what happens when you hang out with clueless white American liberals. People of color and immigrants can very easily forget that we're not similarly positioned to the native-born white "socialist" spouting foolish, borderline treasonous rhetoric.

Speaking as a former green card holder turned naturalized citizen, when I was in college, my white friends were always trying to get me to attend protests and sign on to petitions with them. I never did because I was very aware as a green card holder that many of the rights people speak of as absolute in America are actually secure only for *citizens.* Bush and then Obama's disparate treatment of green card holders versus citizens really brought that home. So many of these irresponsible white liberals told me I was being paranoid to fear immigration consequences as a green card holder because green card holders are "basically" the same as citizens. Except we're not. And the reality is that non-white green card holders are less secure than white people who commit crimes while overstaying their visas. That's why feds aren't raiding any of the eastern european mobbed up illegals in Brighton Beach, but this Arab activist has been disappeared into ICE custody.

Even though I am now a citizen and very politically engaged, I have still never been to a protest. I am still very careful not to associate with anyone or any groups that can even be construed as advocating positions contrary to America's interests. Being of immigrant origin matters very much when you're of color, even when you're technically now a citizen. The perception that non-white people aren't real Americans has serious consequences for non-white immigrants who get out of what is perceived to be our place. I'm sorry this man got the wakeup call in such a harsh way.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Form I-485. If he knowling lied on that form, he obtained his green card fraudulently.

And if didn’t? He clearly was arrested for his political views which is a violation of the First Amendment and should make everyone very nervous.

Today Trump tweeted it was illegal to boycott Tesla— are people who protest at Tesla dealers the next to be arrested?

Haha. He wants his supporters to buy Tesla’s to support Elon. Like they can afford that.

Yeah and the ones who can afford it would spend the bucks for a status car. Nowadays, no one else is envying their swasticar. They will just look like chumps.

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Anonymous wrote:The right hates free speech.

Yup, deport all who say speech is violence.

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What does it mean to "support Hamas?"
Pledging allegience to Hamas would certainly count.
Transferring money to "Hamas Inc." via wire transfer would count.
Saying "I think Hamas' actions are justified" seems like a grey area.

Saying I want a cease fire and think Israel is committing genocide doesn't necessarily equate to "supporting Hamas." Did Hamas even want a cease-fire? Certainly on their terms, but that applies to any belligerent. For all we know he might hate Hamas and prefer the PLO or some other organization.

What evidence is there that the student "supported Hamas?" Merely asking for a ceasefire or asking Columbia to divest, would not seem to qualify as "supporting terrorism."

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Anonymous wrote:Classic Dems… on the wrong side of common sense, again. Doge, men in womens sports, trans issues writ large….same old same old.

Classic Dems - upholding the Constitution and civil liberties... Same old same old.

Thank you for helping us to remember how important the Constitution is.

The polls would say otherwise. Strong border, no wars, less government seems to be a pretty compelling case to the average American.

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Anonymous wrote:What does it mean to "support Hamas?"
Pledging allegience to Hamas would certainly count.
Transferring money to "Hamas Inc." via wire transfer would count.
Saying "I think Hamas' actions are justified" seems like a grey area.

Saying I want a cease fire and think Israel is committing genocide doesn't necessarily equate to "supporting Hamas." Did Hamas even want a cease-fire? Certainly on their terms, but that applies to any belligerent. For all we know he might hate Hamas and prefer the PLO or some other organization.

What evidence is there that the student "supported Hamas?" Merely asking for a ceasefire or asking Columbia to divest, would not seem to qualify as "supporting terrorism."

How 'bout this (which I posted earlier)?

Khalil acted as a negotiator and sometimes spokesperson for CUAD (Columbia University Apartheid Divest).

CUAD explicitly and officially issued a statement supporting Hamas and 10/7. As quoted in the Times:

“We support liberation by any means necessary, including armed resistance,” the group, Columbia University Apartheid Divest, said in its statement revoking the apology.

The group marked the anniversary of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by distributing a newspaper with a headline that used Hamas’s name for it: “One Year Since Al-Aqsa Flood, Revolution Until Victory,” it read, over a picture of Hamas fighters breaching the security fence to Israel. And the group posted an essay calling the attack a “moral, military and political victory” and quoting Ismail Haniyeh, the assassinated former political leader of Hamas.

“The Palestinian resistance is moving their struggle to a new phase of escalation and it is our duty to meet them there,” the group wrote on Oct. 7 on Telegram. “It is our duty to fight for our freedom!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/c...ian-group-hamas.html

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Anonymous wrote:What does it mean to "support Hamas?"
Pledging allegience to Hamas would certainly count.
Transferring money to "Hamas Inc." via wire transfer would count.
Saying "I think Hamas' actions are justified" seems like a grey area.

Saying I want a cease fire and think Israel is committing genocide doesn't necessarily equate to "supporting Hamas." Did Hamas even want a cease-fire? Certainly on their terms, but that applies to any belligerent. For all we know he might hate Hamas and prefer the PLO or some other organization.

What evidence is there that the student "supported Hamas?" Merely asking for a ceasefire or asking Columbia to divest, would not seem to qualify as "supporting terrorism."

How 'bout this (which I posted earlier)?

Khalil acted as a negotiator and sometimes spokesperson for CUAD (Columbia University Apartheid Divest).

CUAD explicitly and officially issued a statement supporting Hamas and 10/7. As quoted in the Times:

“We support liberation by any means necessary, including armed resistance,” the group, Columbia University Apartheid Divest, said in its statement revoking the apology.

The group marked the anniversary of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by distributing a newspaper with a headline that used Hamas’s name for it: “One Year Since Al-Aqsa Flood, Revolution Until Victory,” it read, over a picture of Hamas fighters breaching the security fence to Israel. And the group posted an essay calling the attack a “moral, military and political victory” and quoting Ismail Haniyeh, the assassinated former political leader of Hamas.

“The Palestinian resistance is moving their struggle to a new phase of escalation and it is our duty to meet them there,” the group wrote on Oct. 7 on Telegram. “It is our duty to fight for our freedom!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/c...ian-group-hamas.html

Exactly. This guy wasn’t just walking around with a cardboard sign reading “Cease Fire.”

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Form I-485. If he knowling lied on that form, he obtained his green card fraudulently.

And if didn’t? He clearly was arrested for his political views which is a violation of the First Amendment and should make everyone very nervous.

Today Trump tweeted it was illegal to boycott Tesla— are people who protest at Tesla dealers the next to be arrested?

Views or activities? If it's the latter, that is subject to review by immigration officials to obtain a green card.

It seems pretty clear that the organization he spoke for (CUAD) calls for violence in Palestine as a form of resistance, even the nyt reported that:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/columbia-pro-palestinian-group-hamas.html

Is that still covered free speech for a non-citizen? I’m not entirely sure…I think a good analogy would be IRA members in the US. Most Sinn Fein leaders were barred from travel to the US due to their history of IRA activity. I’m not sure we want to be a country that offers safe harbor to immigrants who want to use the US as a base from which to advocate to violence or wage war abroad. That is a big can of worms. And I do think Columbia University should have kicked out these students as soon as they began supporting violence.

I’m no fan of the trump admin and I think the retaliation against the law firms is a scary precedent. But I don’t see this action in quite the same light.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Form I-485. If he knowling lied on that form, he obtained his green card fraudulently.

And if didn’t? He clearly was arrested for his political views which is a violation of the First Amendment and should make everyone very nervous.

Today Trump tweeted it was illegal to boycott Tesla— are people who protest at Tesla dealers the next to be arrested?

Views or activities? If it's the latter, that is subject to review by immigration officials to obtain a green card.

It seems pretty clear that the organization he spoke for (CUAD) calls for violence in Palestine as a form of resistance, even the nyt reported that:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/columbia-pro-palestinian-group-hamas.html

Is that still covered free speech for a non-citizen? I’m not entirely sure…I think a good analogy would be IRA members in the US. Most Sinn Fein leaders were barred from travel to the US due to their history of IRA activity. I’m not sure we want to be a country that offers safe harbor to immigrants who want to use the US as a base from which to advocate to violence or wage war abroad. That is a big can of worms. And I do think Columbia University should have kicked out these students as soon as they began supporting violence.

I’m no fan of the trump admin and I think the retaliation against the law firms is a scary precedent. But I don’t see this action in quite the same light.

Look at the words the administration is using: "Led activities aligned to Hamas"

Which is so vague. PPs have mentioned how "aligned to Hamas" can really mean anything that Hamas also wants. Like a ceasefire. Like the end of occupation. Like the end of the siege of humanitarian goods/water/electricity.

If the admin had something specific that he himself has directly said, they would not use such vague words.

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I think Israel is totally in the wrong 🧟

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Form I-485. If he knowling lied on that form, he obtained his green card fraudulently.

And if didn’t? He clearly was arrested for his political views which is a violation of the First Amendment and should make everyone very nervous.

Today Trump tweeted it was illegal to boycott Tesla— are people who protest at Tesla dealers the next to be arrested?

Views or activities? If it's the latter, that is subject to review by immigration officials to obtain a green card.

It seems pretty clear that the organization he spoke for (CUAD) calls for violence in Palestine as a form of resistance, even the nyt reported that:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/columbia-pro-palestinian-group-hamas.html

Is that still covered free speech for a non-citizen? I’m not entirely sure…I think a good analogy would be IRA members in the US. Most Sinn Fein leaders were barred from travel to the US due to their history of IRA activity. I’m not sure we want to be a country that offers safe harbor to immigrants who want to use the US as a base from which to advocate to violence or wage war abroad. That is a big can of worms. And I do think Columbia University should have kicked out these students as soon as they began supporting violence.

I’m no fan of the trump admin and I think the retaliation against the law firms is a scary precedent. But I don’t see this action in quite the same light.

Look at the words the administration is using: "Led activities aligned to Hamas"

Which is so vague. PPs have mentioned how "aligned to Hamas" can really mean anything that Hamas also wants. Like a ceasefire. Like the end of occupation. Like the end of the siege of humanitarian goods/water/electricity.

If the admin had something specific that he himself has directly said, they would not use such vague words.

DP.

How 'bout we deal with this issues honestly and directly? Here's the situation:

1. Khalil is affiliated with an "coalition" (CUAD) that expressly and openly supports Hamas. He has acted as a "negotiator" during some of the coalition's protests.

2. However, there is no evidence that CUAD has supported Hamas with anything other than speech. (No evidence of material support has been presented).

3. There is also no evidence of direct statements by Khalil himself supporting Hamas.

4. US law allows deportation of aliens who endorse or espouse support for terrorist organizations. Hamas is a designated terrorist organization.

5. It's not clear whether the applicable laws are constitutional. SCOTUS jurisprudence on aliens' 1st Amendment rights is mixed.

Any disagreement with this analysis?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at Form I-485. If he knowling lied on that form, he obtained his green card fraudulently.

And if didn’t? He clearly was arrested for his political views which is a violation of the First Amendment and should make everyone very nervous.

Today Trump tweeted it was illegal to boycott Tesla— are people who protest at Tesla dealers the next to be arrested?

Views or activities? If it's the latter, that is subject to review by immigration officials to obtain a green card.

It seems pretty clear that the organization he spoke for (CUAD) calls for violence in Palestine as a form of resistance, even the nyt reported that:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/columbia-pro-palestinian-group-hamas.html

Is that still covered free speech for a non-citizen? I’m not entirely sure…I think a good analogy would be IRA members in the US. Most Sinn Fein leaders were barred from travel to the US due to their history of IRA activity. I’m not sure we want to be a country that offers safe harbor to immigrants who want to use the US as a base from which to advocate to violence or wage war abroad. That is a big can of worms. And I do think Columbia University should have kicked out these students as soon as they began supporting violence.

I’m no fan of the trump admin and I think the retaliation against the law firms is a scary precedent. But I don’t see this action in quite the same light.

Look at the words the administration is using: "Led activities aligned to Hamas"

Which is so vague. PPs have mentioned how "aligned to Hamas" can really mean anything that Hamas also wants. Like a ceasefire. Like the end of occupation. Like the end of the siege of humanitarian goods/water/electricity.

If the admin had something specific that he himself has directly said, they would not use such vague words.

You can’t be a spokesperson and an organizer for a group and then say well I’m not responsible for the things they say or do. As soon they started supporting violence he should have said no, I don’t agree with that and I can’t be a part of this anymore. He clearly did not. I’m not in favor of immigrating any terror group supporters to the US to give them a safe place to help wage war from. I think our feelings about Israel and Palestine are frankly irrelevant.