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SFFA doesn't like the Asian American %
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Anonymous
How about no racial discrimination |
Anonymous
But there are not enough academically brilliant URMs to have "enough" of them (whatever that is - 6%? 10%? 13%?) at all the elite schools. In effect all the elite schools are fighting for a very small number of qualified URMs. Thus you see stories about "amazing" URMs who get into every single Ivy. That is not true at all. Many can't afford it. Mot all URM are poor enough to qualify for aid and are in what are known as donut hole families and don't even apply because they can't swing $70K/year. Those kids go to state colleges or HBCUs. |
Anonymous
+1. The amt of Asian hate that is spewed on this forum is disturbing. But not all together surprising. |
Anonymous
No you don't get it. Asian applicants in the US focus on maximizing test scores and grades in the hardest possible classes because this is what universities in Asia -- and Asian culture -- rewards. The reason people from other backgrounds do not do this by enrolling kids in test prep and tutoring at young ages and drilling them at home and seeking out schools with the most homework and academic rigor and toughest grading is that this is not what everyone values. In fact it is not even what American universities -- even the elite ones -- value in applicants. Yes they expect people high GPAs and test scores which means there's a minimum below which they will not consider a student. But these are screening tools only -- they are not considered the final determination on whether someone is right for Harvard or UVA or Brown or whatever. They are literally just the minimum academic credentials. The are looking for other qualities that CANNOT be measured by standardized tests or GPA: leadership and independent thinking and creativity and other qualitative measures. These are not things that can be measured by a standardized test and that is why admissions committees also look closely at essays and teacher recommendations and extra-curricular activities. It's not a scam to exclude Asian applicants. It's just genuinely what they value and AAPI applicants who offer this kind of whole package tend to do very well in applying to top schools. They are not automatic admits because no one is. There are also many "whole package" white students who don't get admitted. That's because there are many many white and AAPI students with these qualities (including high GPAs and test scores) and schools are essentially choosing among them. It's not "unfair" -- it's the reality of having only a small number of slots for a very large number of qualified applicants. You want to impose the admissions standards of a Chinese or Indian university on an American system that has a totally different value structure. The answer is: no. In the US we value other things that simply the ability to ace a test. That's useful but not sufficient and our most elite schools also look for students with other qualities. If you don't like this then perhaps these schools are not the right fit. Also you seem to misunderstand the Supreme Court ruling. While schools cannot score race as a factor in admissions anymore this does not mean they are obligated to simply take the highest scoring applicants. They can -- as they always have -- evaluate qualitative measures such as leadership and creativity and community service. They can also look at "fit" for the university culture and look at "balance" in the class in terms of background (not explicitly race but things like where people are from and the kind of upbringing they have which wind up being proxies for race). This will continue to make it hard for the large numbers of AAPI applicants from very similar backgrounds who all apply to the same schools as they will continue to compete against one another for spots because they are (at the direction of their parents) all presenting a very similar student profile to admissions committees. These schools do not want a bunch of identical students attending. They want classes with diversity of background and experience even if everyone is expected to have impressive academic credentials. This means that high achieving AAPI applicants from certain cities and suburbs all graduating from the same schools with the same extra-curriculars and career goals will continue to lose spots to like some kid from Santa Fe who works on a ranch in the summers and learned to speak Navajo from a relative as a kid (but who also has straight As and a 1570 SAT and 5s on multiple APs). The fact that you think this is unfair (because the AAPI candidate had a 1590 and took more AP classes and has a higher GPA) is just evidence that you still don't understand how these universities work and what they want in a candidate. |
Anonymous
Cite the statute. |
Anonymous
https://www.ed.gov/laws-and-policy/civil-rights-laws/protecting-students/protecting-students-overview#:~:text=Discrimination%20on%20the%20basis%20of,Act%20of%201973%3B%20and%20age |
Anonymous
Wait. Is that what you think affirmative action in college was in 2023? Then why the preference for hispanics and not asians? Affirmative action burned away the remnants of Jim Crow in college admissions by the 1990s Then it jumped the shark and started discriminating against asians. Now it will take years of litigation to burn away the remnants of the anti-asian racism at these institutions. |
Anonymous
How is it not? |
Anonymous
Noone cares what you want. Unless you can repeal the 14th amendment, you have to stop discriminating against asians or face restraints on your discretion. |
Anonymous
| Quit trying to play the argumentum ad ignorantiam card. You're the one claiming they're the same. The burden of proof is on you. |
Anonymous
No one will want to go there. Not white people, black people, Hispanic people. Nope! |
Anonymous
That's not what the Fourteenth Amendment says. Voluntary affirmative action is still legal in many contexts outside college admissions. |
Anonymous
Because harvard's $50 billion endowment provides all sorts of goodies.
When you say "sufficiently high" what you are really saying is that you know that they are applying different standards to people of different races but even the lowest standard is reasonably high. But the gap between blacks and asians is still 140 points on the SAT that's the difference between a 1580 and a 1440 Thet can use whatever qualitiative metrics they want but they cannot use skin color and that is what the litigation will tease out.
No they wouldn't value it any less. People are chasing prestige, not skin color. Holistic admissions were designed to keep out the jews because they thought too many jews are bad for the institution. We have seen similar sentiments being expressed here about how too many asians will drive away the white people. |
Anonymous
is stupid. I finished the sentence for you. You're welcome |
Anonymous
That's great because we are only trying to stop the discrimination based on skin color. If you want to discriminate in favor of larpers, then great. But what this lawsuit about is discrimination against asians. |