Beyoncé Country Album

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

She is a vapid simpleton and you could tell that by her disastrous interviews that her PR team had to stop and her foray into movies. She insulted Diana Ross saying the character she played in Dreamgirls wasn’t anything like her because she couldn’t sing well and was unglamorous/too thin. She did the same thing with her role as Etta James saying the character was ghetto, a hot drugged out mess , and not like her at all. Those two women were alive when she said this. She also said her father isn’t a Joe Jackson because they didn’t grow up in the ghetto and he never tried to get the family out of poverty. This was a comment in Essence Magazine that Janet was apparently was very hurt by . Michael died like months after this and she nor her husband were rightfully not allowed at his memorial service . Mariah sang the tribute.

I missed her insulting DR. Running to find that interview. How nasty

She said it multiple times during her promo for the movie Dreamgirls. I don’t think she even realized she was being insulting . That’s how dumb she is.

She didn’t get an actress’ job is to understand, empathize, embody; and identify with the character not marginalize them.

The hilarious thing now is many people would say she is the one that is now living that movies script, being controlled by a music exec husband.

“Deena Jones” was based on Diana Ross. The movie Dreamgirls is loosely based off the Supremes and Motown.

http://www.blackfilm.com/20061208/features/beyonceknowles.shtml



To what extent do you relate to this character?

Beyoncé Knowles: I definitely can relate to the drive and focus Deena had, especially at a young age and of course I'm in a group, will always be in a group because we're sisters, and became a solo artist but really the parallels stop there. I was so excited about the character because I thought she had the biggest growth. She started out really plain and silly and naïve and Effie protected her and they were all friends and she was from Detroit Projects and grew up with her mother, who she wanted to make proud of her because she was a school teacher and a mother, so she wanted to take care of her mother and take them out of that situation and give them a better life therefore she was willing to be the puppet and she didn't have a father so Curtis was like her father. She didn't have any control and was the lead singer of the group because Curtis felt she was the most marketable back in that time it was very tough to cross over, being African-American, it wasn't because of her voice. Me on the other hand, I grew up with both of my parents, upper-middle class, I went to private school, I don't have a Curtis in my life I write my own songs, I write my own video treatments, I'm in control of my career, I've always been and was the lead singer because of my voice, because of my talent and didn't have the need to become a star because I had a very happy childhood and a very comfortable living so I didn't treat, when Destiny's Child lost on Star Search, I didn't reenact that, when the Dreams lost their talent show, because I went back to a nice house and back to school and Deena went back to the Projects so her need of making it out of there was different from mine and it wouldn't have been smart, playing myself so I really didn't draw on my own experiences, I created new experiences and tried to make sure I wasn't anywhere in the character.

How difficult was the holding back, to sound 'average?'

Knowles: It wasn't difficult because it was a part of the character. It wasn't difficult when they put the eyebrows and the wigs on me because I knew I had to look like a kid and that's part of the character. Out of everything, the singing and being the least glamorous in the beginning was the easiest part. The hardest part for me was making sure that every second I was onscreen, I didn't have a lot of lines, making sure that those moments were important and significant and I could prove to myself and everyone else that I can act because the movies I've done before, I'm proud of them, but I've never had a character that's had as much range and Deena was flawed, Deena was able to show growth and transform so it was exciting for me to finally have a character I could show some of that with.

girl you are a puppet??? Jay Z is your Curtis?? Don't even get me started. "I've always been and was the lead girl" Don't even get me started on her Deena went back to the Projects. Girl....you're right. She just needs to stay quiet

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

She is a vapid simpleton and you could tell that by her disastrous interviews that her PR team had to stop and her foray into movies. She insulted Diana Ross saying the character she played in Dreamgirls wasn’t anything like her because she couldn’t sing well and was unglamorous/too thin. She did the same thing with her role as Etta James saying the character was ghetto, a hot drugged out mess , and not like her at all. Those two women were alive when she said this. She also said her father isn’t a Joe Jackson because they didn’t grow up in the ghetto and he never tried to get the family out of poverty. This was a comment in Essence Magazine that Janet was apparently was very hurt by . Michael died like months after this and she nor her husband were rightfully not allowed at his memorial service . Mariah sang the tribute.

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Like I said: Beyoncé didn’t grow up under tough circumstances. By her own words, she was privileged. Everything is an act. She has been raised with an over abundance of arrogance that makes her offputting.

It’s very telling that they aren’t universally adored the way you would expect them to be.

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I don’t think opinions will be changed in this thread but consider that maybe her smile isn’t as bright because despite riding a horse at the rodeo and having the talent to bring in huge viewership numbers, she was attacked and deleted from the country awards show?

She says she is independent and demonstrates that literally and figuratively and you are still convinced she is lying?

She navigated a very complicated relationship with her father and is still told she’s nothing without him? Or wait maybe she’s nothing without her husband? I get confused.

It’s a fact that it’s been 25 years since a black female won AOTY. But her husband mentions that fact and it’s Beyoncé’s fault?

Her accent is often what is used to say she is country and unintelligent, but she’s still somehow not country enough?

Her mother literally named her to restore the family name that was stripped because of racism (this is NOT an Ellis Island equivalent), her father literally was attacked integrating schools, and those experiences had no impact on hee childhood?

Seriously, what do you all want from her? Is there anything she can do that would make her respect her mind, talent, and autonomy?

And if not, why continue to discuss her on this thread? So you can commiserate with others who find her worthless?

So odd.

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Beyonce fans, I think you would be more upset that her husband and her label and her PR people keep a gag on her. They dress her up and push her out to perform when an album drops, and then she disappears again. I'd rather she go out and make sometimes dumb statements if she were allowed to be herself again.

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

She is a vapid simpleton and you could tell that by her disastrous interviews that her PR team had to stop and her foray into movies. She insulted Diana Ross saying the character she played in Dreamgirls wasn’t anything like her because she couldn’t sing well and was unglamorous/too thin. She did the same thing with her role as Etta James saying the character was ghetto, a hot drugged out mess , and not like her at all. Those two women were alive when she said this. She also said her father isn’t a Joe Jackson because they didn’t grow up in the ghetto and he never tried to get the family out of poverty. This was a comment in Essence Magazine that Janet was apparently was very hurt by . Michael died like months after this and she nor her husband were rightfully not allowed at his memorial service . Mariah sang the tribute.

DP

Like I said: Beyoncé didn’t grow up under tough circumstances. By her own words, she was privileged. Everything is an act. She has been raised with an over abundance of arrogance that makes her offputting.

It’s very telling that they aren’t universally adored the way you would expect them to be.

I think she just lacks intelligence. Her husband would’ve been able to contextualize that Diana Ross and everyone else coming from the Detroit Projects (eww!) were likely poor and disenfranchised due to many factors like the pre Civil Rights era not due to just wanting to be in the projects just to hang around and sing.

Those same people from the Detroit Projects were the ones who created Motown, and made black people and black music heard and loved around the world during the Civil Rights era . Michael Jackson and Diana were often the first televised images people around the world ever saw of Black Americans .

I think she just isn’t a deep thinker and only thinks of herself. She completely didn’t understand the role or have the respect for it and her parents clearly didn’t educate her on history . A woman at that time didn’t have many options to assert herself in a marriage like today. She completely didn’t understand the nuance of sexism and racism and it completely went over her tiny little brain.

Diana was nice enough to understand she was young and didn’t really understand life yet so she was ever gracious to her.

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Anonymous wrote:Beyonce fans, I think you would be more upset that her husband and her label and her PR people keep a gag on her. They dress her up and push her out to perform when an album drops, and then she disappears again. I'd rather she go out and make sometimes dumb statements if she were allowed to be herself again.

Beyonce owns her own record label, Parkwood Entertainment. She has a a collaborating distributor like Columbia/Sony for her albums, HBO for Lemonade, Netflix for Homecoming, and Walt Disney for Black is King. She owns her masters. She's had the same publicists for 27 years. Nobody is keeping a gag on her.

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Anonymous wrote:Beyonce fans, I think you would be more upset that her husband and her label and her PR people keep a gag on her. They dress her up and push her out to perform when an album drops, and then she disappears again. I'd rather she go out and make sometimes dumb statements if she were allowed to be herself again.

Right. She could’ve been the black Gwyneth Paltrow , and known for being a ditzy self-congratulatory dolt . Her husband and PR team wisely knew it was time for Beyonce to stop talking after this:

“I’m more powerful than my mind can even digest”
https://www.businessinsider.com/beyonc-says-im-more-powerful-than-my-mind-can-even-digest-2013-1?amp

It was a wise move. Right now, Tiktok is going crazy over a clip in J Los movie that went viral. She was scrunching up her hair and saying that was her Bronx look as a crazy little kid running up the block not wanting what she wanted in life. New York Tik tokers are still raking her over the coals and mocking the silly clip.

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Not knowing what she wanted in life*

J. Lo is another one who is extremely delusional and narcissistic but she is a bit smarter than Beyonce at least

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Beyoncé country is so cringe! Hat is awful, hair is atrocious. And worst of all the music is MEH

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Anonymous wrote:Beyonce fans, I think you would be more upset that her husband and her label and her PR people keep a gag on her. They dress her up and push her out to perform when an album drops, and then she disappears again. I'd rather she go out and make sometimes dumb statements if she were allowed to be herself again.

Beyonce owns her own record label, Parkwood Entertainment. She has a a collaborating distributor like Columbia/Sony for her albums, HBO for Lemonade, Netflix for Homecoming, and Walt Disney for Black is King. She owns her masters. She's had the same publicists for 27 years. Nobody is keeping a gag on her.

There is a gag on her. She only does interviews via email for the past 10 years . There’s a reason she stopped speaking off the cuff and has her mother or husband do interviews for her . The New York Times even wrote about this questioning why Beyonce is seen but not heard .

Compared to other popstars like Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, or Rihanna ,she never does interviews . The only other star who doesn’t is Britney Spears.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/20/fashion/beyonce-is-seen-but-not-heard.html

She used to say silly and insulting things that were ok when she was in her 20’s but are not so becoming now that she’s in her 40’s and social media exists and is a satire beast. Beyoncé is talented and she is very pretty
, but she just isn’t all there socially or developmentally and it shows when she is interviewed.

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Anonymous wrote:Beyonce fans, I think you would be more upset that her husband and her label and her PR people keep a gag on her. They dress her up and push her out to perform when an album drops, and then she disappears again. I'd rather she go out and make sometimes dumb statements if she were allowed to be herself again.

Beyonce owns her own record label, Parkwood Entertainment. She has a a collaborating distributor like Columbia/Sony for her albums, HBO for Lemonade, Netflix for Homecoming, and Walt Disney for Black is King. She owns her masters. She's had the same publicists for 27 years. Nobody is keeping a gag on her.

There is a gag on her. She only does interviews via email for the past 10 years . There’s a reason she stopped speaking off the cuff and has her mother or husband do interviews for her . The New York Times even wrote about this questioning why Beyonce is seen but not heard .

Compared to other popstars like Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, or Rihanna ,she never does interviews . The only other star who doesn’t is Britney Spears.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/20/fashion/beyonce-is-seen-but-not-heard.html

She used to say silly and insulting things that were ok when she was in her 20’s but are not so becoming now that she’s in her 40’s and social media exists and is a satire beast. Beyoncé is talented and she is very pretty
, but she just isn’t all there socially or developmentally and it shows when she is interviewed.

I see not doing interviews as a smart move. If you don’t need the promos why do them? Anything you say can be misconstrued, so it is brilliant if you have proxies do them for you. Yiu still have the fame and money, but you keep your private life private and don’t have to stress about the press.

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Wow. I read that interview completely different than PP. She was saying that Deena/Diana was hemmed in because eof her status as a black woman and did what she had to do to get out. Unlike Bey who always had her privilege to fall back on. I see nothing insulting there, just an acknowledgement of how tough the situation was.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. I read that interview completely different than PP. She was saying that Deena/Diana was hemmed in because eof her status as a black woman and did what she had to do to get out. Unlike Bey who always had her privilege to fall back on. I see nothing insulting there, just an acknowledgement of how tough the situation was.

She didn’t just do this in one interview. She drew parallels in numerous interviews by saying she is pretty, not a puppet for her husband , a strong singer, and grew up rich. Implying Diana was not those things. She did it again when she played Etta James saying she is totally different because Etta was a heroin addict (as if we didn’t know obviously there’s a difference there) and she had a hard life . Obviously, roles aren’t supposed to be similar to yourself which is the point and why it’s called acting.

She also once said she loved acting because “it’s less drama than music”.

I guess she didn’t hear acting is literally called dramatic arts. She was really getting raked over the coals in the early TMZ days but luckily this was the era Britney was going crazy so nobody was paying much attention.

She kept putting her foot in her mouth so her team or Hwood stopped calling her for roles and she retreated back to music only.

I am curious what her husband or his family thinks when Ms. Knowles , dame from Texas, calls all the previous black icons as poor and from the ghetto .

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Anonymous wrote:Beyonce fans, I think you would be more upset that her husband and her label and her PR people keep a gag on her. They dress her up and push her out to perform when an album drops, and then she disappears again. I'd rather she go out and make sometimes dumb statements if she were allowed to be herself again.

Beyonce owns her own record label, Parkwood Entertainment. She has a a collaborating distributor like Columbia/Sony for her albums, HBO for Lemonade, Netflix for Homecoming, and Walt Disney for Black is King. She owns her masters. She's had the same publicists for 27 years. Nobody is keeping a gag on her.

There is a gag on her. She only does interviews via email for the past 10 years . There’s a reason she stopped speaking off the cuff and has her mother or husband do interviews for her . The New York Times even wrote about this questioning why Beyonce is seen but not heard .

Compared to other popstars like Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, or Rihanna ,she never does interviews . The only other star who doesn’t is Britney Spears.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/20/fashion/beyonce-is-seen-but-not-heard.html

She used to say silly and insulting things that were ok when she was in her 20’s but are not so becoming now that she’s in her 40’s and social media exists and is a satire beast. Beyoncé is talented and she is very pretty
, but she just isn’t all there socially or developmentally and it shows when she is interviewed.

I see not doing interviews as a smart move. If you don’t need the promos why do them? Anything you say can be misconstrued, so it is brilliant if you have proxies do them for you. Yiu still have the fame and money, but you keep your private life private and don’t have to stress about the press.

She can’t do an interview because now her music has gotten political due to her husband

If they ask her what she thinks of country music and what she thinks of black early pioneers like Chuck Berry or Ray Charles, I’d imagine she would say unlike Ray Charles, she didn’t grow up blind .

This is why they keep her quiet. She only has pageant answers and her limited education and experience shows.

It’s interesting because her sister is very introspective and eloquent and the opposite of Beyonce but she’s not as pretty.

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Anonymous wrote:Unlike most of you here, I'm a big country music fan. For me, Beyonce doesn't have the voice to pull off country. I want to hear the pathos! When Dolly sings "Jolene," I can hear how this woman is truly begging Jolene to not take her man. That emotion is what makes that song a classic. Beyonce's Jolene is just a parody of a classic. It could never stand on its own.

+1. The way Dolly shows the true insecurity of a woman who feels like she is nothing but ordinary is what country music does so well. I feel the same about classic blues. People singing about ordinary lives, in a way that you know you've had that same feeling, and giving it some dignity.

Exactly. Which is why Beyonce will never capture the feeling of country. She thinks she is the best thing in the world. Her arrogance (and her sour grapes) knows no bounds.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE these comments Beyonce is NOT country and never will be, SAVE IT for real country artists babe.