APS DHMS walk zone nuclear option

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

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Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

I mean the numbers don't lie.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

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Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

I would like to see one example at another school where APS buses so many walkable planning units. I’ve been looking at the maps and am not finding anything remotely comparable.

Is there another example where one under-enrolled school's current boundaries bump up against the walk zone of two other schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

It would be helpful for people to realize that needs shift, buildings don't.

Of course needs shift. Wholly agree. But we cannot and should not upend neighborhoods and redo school zones as often as we do. It’s highly wasteful. They *just* did DHMS; like the very first class completed its time there. It’s not like every kid left the planning units. They didn’t. The neighbors want to go there.

Oh well the neighbors want to go there, case closed!

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

It would be helpful for people to realize that needs shift, buildings don't.

But the needs are being driven by moving an option program? Move it where it’s least crowded and incur the smallest changes and lowest cost.

Not just that. Some schools are under enrolled and some schools are over. You don't think that should be balanced out?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

It would be helpful for people to realize that needs shift, buildings don't.

Of course needs shift. Wholly agree. But we cannot and should not upend neighborhoods and redo school zones as often as we do. It’s highly wasteful. They *just* did DHMS; like the very first class completed its time there. It’s not like every kid left the planning units. They didn’t. The neighbors want to go there.

I think the kids are back on the forum.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

It would be helpful for people to realize that needs shift, buildings don't.

Of course needs shift. Wholly agree. But we cannot and should not upend neighborhoods and redo school zones as often as we do. It’s highly wasteful. They *just* did DHMS; like the very first class completed its time there. It’s not like every kid left the planning units. They didn’t. The neighbors want to go there.

I think the kids are back on the forum.

There are definitely some posters who are clueless.

Sit down, kids. You have no idea what TF you’re talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

It would be helpful for people to realize that needs shift, buildings don't.

Of course needs shift. Wholly agree. But we cannot and should not upend neighborhoods and redo school zones as often as we do. It’s highly wasteful. They *just* did DHMS; like the very first class completed its time there. It’s not like every kid left the planning units. They didn’t. The neighbors want to go there.

Please go speak before the school board. Tell them “the neighbors want to go there” and let us know how that goes.

Better yet tell us when you speak because I will be there with popcorn as you embarrass your entitled self.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

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Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

It would be helpful for people to realize that needs shift, buildings don't.

Of course needs shift. Wholly agree. But we cannot and should not upend neighborhoods and redo school zones as often as we do. It’s highly wasteful. They *just* did DHMS; like the very first class completed its time there. It’s not like every kid left the planning units. They didn’t. The neighbors want to go there.

I think the kids are back on the forum.

This does sound like the most obtuse rationale I've ever heard, even on DCUM. Needs change; but it's wasteful to keep up with those changing needs?

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My concern is that APS’ own projections have Williamsburg at 95% capacity after this move. That doesn’t leave much room for error, and APS is notoriously bad at these kind of projections. I can accept that they will rezone us, but I dread them just moving the over-enrollment problem from one end of the county to the other. I hope they can balance it better so that all the middle schools are around 90% but I’m not holding my breath.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

I would like to see one example at another school where APS buses so many walkable planning units. I’ve been looking at the maps and am not finding anything remotely comparable.

Is there another example where one under-enrolled school's current boundaries bump up against the walk zone of two other schools?

With elementary schools, Tuckahoe, Nottingham, Discovery and Jamestown have zones where you could could walk to the neighboring school. Some Nottingham and Jamestown kids are way closer to Discovery than other kids zoned for Discovery.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

I would like to see one example at another school where APS buses so many walkable planning units. I’ve been looking at the maps and am not finding anything remotely comparable.

Is there another example where one under-enrolled school's current boundaries bump up against the walk zone of two other schools?

With elementary schools, Tuckahoe, Nottingham, Discovery and Jamestown have zones where you could could walk to the neighboring school. Some Nottingham and Jamestown kids are way closer to Discovery than other kids zoned for Discovery.

Yeah and that's also a problem that they are currently grappling with too.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

It would be helpful for people to realize that needs shift, buildings don't.

Of course needs shift. Wholly agree. But we cannot and should not upend neighborhoods and redo school zones as often as we do. It’s highly wasteful. They *just* did DHMS; like the very first class completed its time there. It’s not like every kid left the planning units. They didn’t. The neighbors want to go there.

I think the kids are back on the forum.

This does sound like the most obtuse rationale I've ever heard, even on DCUM. Needs change; but it's wasteful to keep up with those changing needs?

No i don't think you understand... the neighbors WANT to stay at Hamm. They should get what they want. Case closed!

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

It would be helpful for people to realize that needs shift, buildings don't.

But the needs are being driven by moving an option program? Move it where it’s least crowded and incur the smallest changes and lowest cost.

Smallest change and least cost includes to the option program. Those are not guardrails for neighborhood schools only.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

It would be helpful for people to realize that needs shift, buildings don't.

Of course needs shift. Wholly agree. But we cannot and should not upend neighborhoods and redo school zones as often as we do. It’s highly wasteful. They *just* did DHMS; like the very first class completed its time there. It’s not like every kid left the planning units. They didn’t. The neighbors want to go there.

I don’t necessarily disagree but is there really an alternative to adjustments every 2-3 years? It would be impossible to do a onetime permanent boundary move that is supposed to last what a decade? It would fall apart within a few years, be highly criticized and even likely made illegal (against policy). Indeed, this is why we have the rolling CIPs that we have.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

If they had Hamm in Rosslyn, we would have the same exact disruption and split schools all the same — just wouldn’t have the added advantage of walkability

There aren’t any middle schools living in Rosslyn — they ALL have to be bused. No idea how that would have addressed any of current challenges?

I think you're saying there are no middle schoolers living in the Heights walkzone - that's not true. The walkzone includes all Innovation zone and some of ASFS. If you filter the latest Planning Unit Level Data document they released this summer for Innovation it shows there are 209 students attending the planning unit middle school (ie Hamm). If you then filter for ASFS and then filter further for Lyon Village and Clarendon/Courthouse you find another 119 students for a total of approximately 328 potential walkzone students.

It's a moot point because the building is not and probably should not become neighborhood because of the way it's built, but saying there are no walkable students is 100% false.

There is no way that the Heights would work for a neighborhood middle school. We covered that pages ago. I am not sure the site could even have even worked even ore building but it certainly won’t work now as it’s built. It’s a cool building but it has its challenges and Taylor parents would revolt. Also you don’t just kick out the HB and Shrivet kids every few years ad whims change. They had to move once from their longtime home. That’s enough

You realize of course that is exactly what they are proposing to do right now to the Taylor kids at DHMS? Not a winner argument.

it's a small boundary shift, that happens. get over yourselves.

They are moving half of DHMS? That’s small?

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It’s not. Ignore PP.

Plus, they just opened DHMS so either they needed the seats there or not. They justified spending millions putting the seats there and now want to essentially say that nope we don’t need them; they are needed elsewhere. In like four years. Nonsense.

It would be helpful for people to realize that needs shift, buildings don't.

Of course needs shift. Wholly agree. But we cannot and should not upend neighborhoods and redo school zones as often as we do. It’s highly wasteful. They *just* did DHMS; like the very first class completed its time there. It’s not like every kid left the planning units. They didn’t. The neighbors want to go there.

I don’t necessarily disagree but is there really an alternative to adjustments every 2-3 years? It would be impossible to do a onetime permanent boundary move that is supposed to last what a decade? It would fall apart within a few years, be highly criticized and even likely made illegal (against policy). Indeed, this is why we have the rolling CIPs that we have.

It has already been tough enough to manage enrollment estimates a few years out, let alone a decade. If our population was steady it'd be easier, but we've had a lot of ups and downs. Many unpredictable (covid!).

Fortunately, birth rates have been going down for the last decade so hopefully the mega-crowded schools are a thing of the past.