College Football--Big Ten Expansion

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Anonymous wrote:Believe it or not, one of Notre Dame's most cherished traditional rivals in football is Navy (the US Naval Academy).

Yup. And I'm very confident that will continue no matter what conference, if any, each team is in.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry[i][u].

What? No. USC would have been the lure, not Stanford. The ND-USC rivalry is far stronger and longer than ND-Stanford.

USC was the lure that failed so the Big Ten Conference invited UCLA since ND said no.

But, the point is that as many rivals of Notre Dame are and become members of the Big Ten Conference, Notre Dame will run into scheduling problems as large conferences require more in-conference opponents; this is why USC joined the Big Ten Conference with the stipulation that it (USC) be allowed to play Notre Dame each year.

I absolutely agree with that. And Stanford has nothing to do with it. If the ACC collapses so they need a home for other sports, or if enough teams stop scheduling ND, that's when it will join the Big 10. Whatever The Tree school does won't have any impact.

For peak chaos, I'd like to see ND get together with Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, USC, Penn State, Florida and Georgia and form a new super conference

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry[i][u].

What? No. USC would have been the lure, not Stanford. The ND-USC rivalry is far stronger and longer than ND-Stanford.

USC was the lure that failed so the Big Ten Conference invited UCLA since ND said no.

But, the point is that as many rivals of Notre Dame are and become members of the Big Ten Conference, Notre Dame will run into scheduling problems as large conferences require more in-conference opponents; this is why USC joined the Big Ten Conference with the stipulation that it (USC) be allowed to play Notre Dame each year.

I absolutely agree with that. And Stanford has nothing to do with it. If the ACC collapses so they need a home for other sports, or if enough teams stop scheduling ND, that's when it will join the Big 10. Whatever The Tree school does won't have any impact.

Stanford and Cal are problematic regarding testosterone and sports requiring it.

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As a Syracuse/ACC fan I am hoping the ACC will hold. I have little hope that ND will come in and rescue the conference (perhaps in tandem with its traditional rival Stanford).

PO'd to see that the B12 is much more active in trying to position itself as the #3 conference.

I think B10 stays as is for the moment. I was reluctant to believe the rumor yesterday that Oregon, Washington, Clemson and FSU were going to the B10. Oregon and Washington maybe. I think if the B10 were to grab two ACC teams it would be UNC and Miami. Clemson and FSU just seem a better cultural fit with the SEC.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Syracuse/ACC fan I am hoping the ACC will hold. I have little hope that ND will come in and rescue the conference (perhaps in tandem with its traditional rival Stanford).

PO'd to see that the B12 is much more active in trying to position itself as the #3 conference.

I think B10 stays as is for the moment. I was reluctant to believe the rumor yesterday that Oregon, Washington, Clemson and FSU were going to the B10. Oregon and Washington maybe. I think if the B10 were to grab two ACC teams it would be UNC and Miami. Clemson and FSU just seem a better cultural fit with the SEC.

the ACC is odd in that it is both the most stable in the short term and has an expiration date in the long term

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry[i][u].

What? No. USC would have been the lure, not Stanford. The ND-USC rivalry is far stronger and longer than ND-Stanford.

USC was the lure that failed so the Big Ten Conference invited UCLA since ND said no.

But, the point is that as many rivals of Notre Dame are and become members of the Big Ten Conference, Notre Dame will run into scheduling problems as large conferences require more in-conference opponents; this is why USC joined the Big Ten Conference with the stipulation that it (USC) be allowed to play Notre Dame each year.

I absolutely agree with that. And Stanford has nothing to do with it. If the ACC collapses so they need a home for other sports, or if enough teams stop scheduling ND, that's when it will join the Big 10. Whatever The Tree school does won't have any impact.

Big ten could kick out ND hockey.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Syracuse/ACC fan I am hoping the ACC will hold. I have little hope that ND will come in and rescue the conference (perhaps in tandem with its traditional rival Stanford).

PO'd to see that the B12 is much more active in trying to position itself as the #3 conference.

I think B10 stays as is for the moment. I was reluctant to believe the rumor yesterday that Oregon, Washington, Clemson and FSU were going to the B10. Oregon and Washington maybe. I think if the B10 were to grab two ACC teams it would be UNC and Miami. Clemson and FSU just seem a better cultural fit with the SEC.

(OP here)

I agree--except for the statement that the Big Ten remains static. It would be foolish to ignore U Washington & U Oregon. U Washington is a research powerhouse which would be #2 in the big Ten Conference behind only U Michigan. Plus, USC & UCLA need a travel distance break. Solid football program.

Clemson & FSU are not AAU members so unlikely to receive an invitation from the Big Ten Conference. That story was floated over the past few days as a ploy by desperate FSU & Clemson who want to leave the ACC or be given a larger payout than that received by other member schools.

The ACC may do well if it focuses on basketball in the eastern US.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry[i][u].

What? No. USC would have been the lure, not Stanford. The ND-USC rivalry is far stronger and longer than ND-Stanford.

USC was the lure that failed so the Big Ten Conference invited UCLA since ND said no.

But, the point is that as many rivals of Notre Dame are and become members of the Big Ten Conference, Notre Dame will run into scheduling problems as large conferences require more in-conference opponents; this is why USC joined the Big Ten Conference with the stipulation that it (USC) be allowed to play Notre Dame each year.

I absolutely agree with that. And Stanford has nothing to do with it. If the ACC collapses so they need a home for other sports, or if enough teams stop scheduling ND, that's when it will join the Big 10. Whatever The Tree school does won't have any impact.

Big ten could kick out ND hockey.

No. Notre Dame & the Big Ten have other affiliations/joint projects as well. Big Ten & ND work well together. Also, Big Ten Conference does not have enough ice hockey teams.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Syracuse/ACC fan I am hoping the ACC will hold. I have little hope that ND will come in and rescue the conference (perhaps in tandem with its traditional rival Stanford).

PO'd to see that the B12 is much more active in trying to position itself as the #3 conference.

I think B10 stays as is for the moment. I was reluctant to believe the rumor yesterday that Oregon, Washington, Clemson and FSU were going to the B10. Oregon and Washington maybe. I think if the B10 were to grab two ACC teams it would be UNC and Miami. Clemson and FSU just seem a better cultural fit with the SEC.

the ACC is odd in that it is both the most stable in the short term and has an expiration date in the long term

The ACC panicked when it signed its last TV rights (GOR) deal.

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Anonymous wrote:B1G has Shanghai’d the 5 largest media markets

NYC
LA
Chicago
DC Balt
Philly

They don’t need to do anything for a long time. All the schools falling behind are desperately creating self serving drama and spinning nonsense. The Big Ten schools are ready to tone it down and enjoy the massive windfall. Truly a great conference that is cohesive from having a philosophy of generally large public schools with huge research funding. There is a huge question about the limit number of members before there is diminishing returns. 16 appears ok but you get to a point where you can’t play everybody and the payout per school drops. Seems like 18 may be the max. If the Big ten got Notre Dame then they may take Washington and end it. Otherwise stay put or try for Florida and Texas.

24 will be the max, with pods that help address the travel issue. For example for the B1G:

Pod 1: Washington, Oregon, UCLA, USC, Utah, Arizona.
Pod 2: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern.
Pod 3: Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, MSU, Ohio State, Penn State.
Pod 4: Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, UNC, Clemson, Florida State.

If it were Notre Dame instead of Utah, then you move Nebraska and Purdue up one pod each and call it a day.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry[i][u].

What? No. USC would have been the lure, not Stanford. The ND-USC rivalry is far stronger and longer than ND-Stanford.

USC was the lure that failed so the Big Ten Conference invited UCLA since ND said no.

But, the point is that as many rivals of Notre Dame are and become members of the Big Ten Conference, Notre Dame will run into scheduling problems as large conferences require more in-conference opponents; this is why USC joined the Big Ten Conference with the stipulation that it (USC) be allowed to play Notre Dame each year.

I absolutely agree with that. And Stanford has nothing to do with it. If the ACC collapses so they need a home for other sports, or if enough teams stop scheduling ND, that's when it will join the Big 10. Whatever The Tree school does won't have any impact.

For peak chaos, I'd like to see ND get together with Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, USC, Penn State, Florida and Georgia and form a new super conference

LOL and leave out Michigan? Not a chance.

[Anonymous]

The Big Ten Conference should add U Washington & U Oregon immediately. Both schools have already been vetted & cleared by the Big Ten for membership. The Big Ten Conference is probably just waiting for the University of Arizona announcement that it is leaving the Pac-12 for the Big 12 Conference. Others (ASU & Utah) are expected to follow Arizona & Colorado into the Big 12 Conference.

Among Pac-12 member schools, Washington State University & Oregon State University may face difficulty finding new homes which offer decent payouts.

UCal-Berkeley & Stanford want the Big Ten Conference, but the Big Ten Conference needs to really weigh whether or not these two schools will benefit the conference.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry[i][u].

What? No. USC would have been the lure, not Stanford. The ND-USC rivalry is far stronger and longer than ND-Stanford.

USC was the lure that failed so the Big Ten Conference invited UCLA since ND said no.

But, the point is that as many rivals of Notre Dame are and become members of the Big Ten Conference, Notre Dame will run into scheduling problems as large conferences require more in-conference opponents; this is why USC joined the Big Ten Conference with the stipulation that it (USC) be allowed to play Notre Dame each year.

I absolutely agree with that. And Stanford has nothing to do with it. If the ACC collapses so they need a home for other sports, or if enough teams stop scheduling ND, that's when it will join the Big 10. Whatever The Tree school does won't have any impact.

Big ten could kick out ND hockey.

They like having ND in the hockey conference just as they like having Hopkins in the Lax conference.

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Anonymous wrote:B1G has Shanghai’d the 5 largest media markets

NYC
LA
Chicago
DC Balt
Philly

They don’t need to do anything for a long time. All the schools falling behind are desperately creating self serving drama and spinning nonsense. The Big Ten schools are ready to tone it down and enjoy the massive windfall. Truly a great conference that is cohesive from having a philosophy of generally large public schools with huge research funding. There is a huge question about the limit number of members before there is diminishing returns. 16 appears ok but you get to a point where you can’t play everybody and the payout per school drops. Seems like 18 may be the max. If the Big ten got Notre Dame then they may take Washington and end it. Otherwise stay put or try for Florida and Texas.

24 will be the max, with pods that help address the travel issue. For example for the B1G:

Pod 1: Washington, Oregon, UCLA, USC, Utah, Arizona.
Pod 2: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern.
Pod 3: Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, MSU, Ohio State, Penn State.
Pod 4: Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, UNC, Clemson, Florida State.

If it were Notre Dame instead of Utah, then you move Nebraska and Purdue up one pod each and call it a day.

The Big Ten Conference does not appear to have any interest in the University of Arizona--even though it is an AAU member.

University of Utah has been vetted by the Big Ten--but no further word regarding clearance.

Clemson & FSU are SEC material; the University of Florida is Big Ten Conference compatible.

What about Stanford & UCal-Berkeley ?

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Agree that a 24 team, four division structure should be considered by the Big Ten Conference.