After all the drama, Big3 college admissions are really as strong as ever this year

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Anonymous wrote:^ This.
I bet that 90% of Maret's Ivy admits are hooked. The ones I know definitely are.

I would put this at 95% for Maret this year. They're great/smart kids but they got the Ivy Admit because of 1)multi generational legacy 2)athletic recruitment 3)being an URM.
If you are not 2 out of 3 of these, going to Maret is not going to help you get into the Ivy League one bit.

NP but isn’t that the case at every private? Most NCS, STA, Sidwell’s Ivies are hooks, no?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ This.
I bet that 90% of Maret's Ivy admits are hooked. The ones I know definitely are.

I would put this at 95% for Maret this year. They're great/smart kids but they got the Ivy Admit because of 1)multi generational legacy 2)athletic recruitment 3)being an URM.
If you are not 2 out of 3 of these, going to Maret is not going to help you get into the Ivy League one bit.

NP but isn’t that the case at every private? Most NCS, STA, Sidwell’s Ivies are hooks, no?

Yes. So we need to stop saying "WOW, Maret 2023 is really amazing!" or "Amazing! Sidwell 2023 is knocking it out of the park!"

It has nothing to do with where these kids attended (or did not attend) high school. They would have the same results coming from GDS, STA, Whitman or Jackson Reed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ This.
I bet that 90% of Maret's Ivy admits are hooked. The ones I know definitely are.

I would put this at 95% for Maret this year. They're great/smart kids but they got the Ivy Admit because of 1)multi generational legacy 2)athletic recruitment 3)being an URM.
If you are not 2 out of 3 of these, going to Maret is not going to help you get into the Ivy League one bit.

NP but isn’t that the case at every private? Most NCS, STA, Sidwell’s Ivies are hooks, no?

Yes. So we need to stop saying "WOW, Maret 2023 is really amazing!" or "Amazing! Sidwell 2023 is knocking it out of the park!"

It has nothing to do with where these kids attended (or did not attend) high school. They would have the same results coming from GDS, STA, Whitman or Jackson Reed.

No they would NOT. Based on sheer numbers, there are more Whitman, McLean, Langley, Churchill, etc students than Sidwell, Maret, Holton students who are legacies at highly selective colleges. However, those public schools are sending a much lower percentage of students to the Ivies.

Attendance at top private schools make a difference, even if you don’t want to admit it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ This.
I bet that 90% of Maret's Ivy admits are hooked. The ones I know definitely are.

I would put this at 95% for Maret this year. They're great/smart kids but they got the Ivy Admit because of 1)multi generational legacy 2)athletic recruitment 3)being an URM.
If you are not 2 out of 3 of these, going to Maret is not going to help you get into the Ivy League one bit.

NP but isn’t that the case at every private? Most NCS, STA, Sidwell’s Ivies are hooks, no?

Yes. So we need to stop saying "WOW, Maret 2023 is really amazing!" or "Amazing! Sidwell 2023 is knocking it out of the park!"

It has nothing to do with where these kids attended (or did not attend) high school. They would have the same results coming from GDS, STA, Whitman or Jackson Reed.

No they would NOT. Based on sheer numbers, there are more Whitman, McLean, Langley, Churchill, etc students than Sidwell, Maret, Holton students who are legacies at highly selective colleges. However, those public schools are sending a much lower percentage of students to the Ivies.

Attendance at top private schools make a difference, even if you don’t want to admit it.

It’s been 100% proven here that every private school kid who gets into a good college is a legacy, URM or athletic hook and that every public school kid who gets into a good school did so because they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, worked harder and were smarter than their peers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ This.
I bet that 90% of Maret's Ivy admits are hooked. The ones I know definitely are.

I would put this at 95% for Maret this year. They're great/smart kids but they got the Ivy Admit because of 1)multi generational legacy 2)athletic recruitment 3)being an URM.
If you are not 2 out of 3 of these, going to Maret is not going to help you get into the Ivy League one bit.

NP but isn’t that the case at every private? Most NCS, STA, Sidwell’s Ivies are hooks, no?

Yes. So we need to stop saying "WOW, Maret 2023 is really amazing!" or "Amazing! Sidwell 2023 is knocking it out of the park!"

It has nothing to do with where these kids attended (or did not attend) high school. They would have the same results coming from GDS, STA, Whitman or Jackson Reed.

No they would NOT. Based on sheer numbers, there are more Whitman, McLean, Langley, Churchill, etc students than Sidwell, Maret, Holton students who are legacies at highly selective colleges. However, those public schools are sending a much lower percentage of students to the Ivies.

Attendance at top private schools make a difference, even if you don’t want to admit it.

It’s been 100% proven here that every private school kid who gets into a good college is a legacy, URM or athletic hook and that every public school kid who gets into a good school did so because they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, worked harder and were smarter than their peers.

Lol—exactly!
ONLY public school students “earn” their spot at Ivy+ colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ This.
I bet that 90% of Maret's Ivy admits are hooked. The ones I know definitely are.

I would put this at 95% for Maret this year. They're great/smart kids but they got the Ivy Admit because of 1)multi generational legacy 2)athletic recruitment 3)being an URM.
If you are not 2 out of 3 of these, going to Maret is not going to help you get into the Ivy League one bit.

NP but isn’t that the case at every private? Most NCS, STA, Sidwell’s Ivies are hooks, no?

Yes. So we need to stop saying "WOW, Maret 2023 is really amazing!" or "Amazing! Sidwell 2023 is knocking it out of the park!"

It has nothing to do with where these kids attended (or did not attend) high school. They would have the same results coming from GDS, STA, Whitman or Jackson Reed.

No they would NOT. Based on sheer numbers, there are more Whitman, McLean, Langley, Churchill, etc students than Sidwell, Maret, Holton students who are legacies at highly selective colleges. However, those public schools are sending a much lower percentage of students to the Ivies.

Attendance at top private schools make a difference, even if you don’t want to admit it.

So you’re saying that if there are 10 hooked kids at a private school, and they all get into Ivies (and no unhooked kids do), and they represent 15% of the class, and 20 hooked kids at a public school, and they all get into Ivies (and no unhooked kids do), but they represent only 5% of the larger public school class, then the 100% admissions rate for hooked kids from the private is different from the 100% admissions rate for hooked kids from the public.

Ok.

[Anonymous]

Despite the pages of whining and angst every year, there isn’t a disadvantage coming from a private. But you cannot disregard the fact that many kids applying from privates have most of the same hooks that got them into the private in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Being an URM on its own will likely no longer be a hook. Most legal experts expect the Supreme Court to issue that decision next month.

Athletic excellence, Legacy, 1st Generation to go to College will likely remain as “hooks”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is at NCS.
From what I can tell:
20% Ivies
10% U of Chicago
10% other top 20 universities
10% top 10 liberal arts colleges
Etc.
That is 50% of the class into TOP20 colleges/universities. Minimum.

Even with the deflated GPAs (well under 4.0), almost no APs, etc.

STA is similar.
Sidwell has pretty much gotten the entire class in top50 schools.
GDS is a bit uneven.

How exactly are the grades "deflated"? Public schools might inflate grades, but that doesn't mean independent ones deflate them.

They are just bringing them back down to reality. It’s easy to get results like that when you hand pick your students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Being an URM on its own will likely no longer be a hook. Most legal experts expect the Supreme Court to issue that decision next month.

Athletic excellence, Legacy, 1st Generation to go to College will likely remain as “hooks”.

Regardless of what the Supreme Court decides, I find it hard to believe that colleges won't still consider being an URM a hook as they want a diverse student population- they just won't be able to say they consider it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being an URM on its own will likely no longer be a hook. Most legal experts expect the Supreme Court to issue that decision next month.

Athletic excellence, Legacy, 1st Generation to go to College will likely remain as “hooks”.

Regardless of what the Supreme Court decides, I find it hard to believe that colleges won't still consider being an URM a hook as they want a diverse student population- they just won't be able to say they consider it.

Being an URM is only a hook or helpful if you meet the other qualifications or most of the other qualifications.

What I do think is true to your point is that the Ivies will always consider URM if they fit the bill regardless of what the Supreme Court says.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ This.
I bet that 90% of Maret's Ivy admits are hooked. The ones I know definitely are.

I would put this at 95% for Maret this year. They're great/smart kids but they got the Ivy Admit because of 1)multi generational legacy 2)athletic recruitment 3)being an URM.
If you are not 2 out of 3 of these, going to Maret is not going to help you get into the Ivy League one bit.

NP but isn’t that the case at every private? Most NCS, STA, Sidwell’s Ivies are hooks, no?

Yes. So we need to stop saying "WOW, Maret 2023 is really amazing!" or "Amazing! Sidwell 2023 is knocking it out of the park!"

It has nothing to do with where these kids attended (or did not attend) high school. They would have the same results coming from GDS, STA, Whitman or Jackson Reed.

No they would NOT. Based on sheer numbers, there are more Whitman, McLean, Langley, Churchill, etc students than Sidwell, Maret, Holton students who are legacies at highly selective colleges. However, those public schools are sending a much lower percentage of students to the Ivies.

Attendance at top private schools make a difference, even if you don’t want to admit it.

So you’re saying that if there are 10 hooked kids at a private school, and they all get into Ivies (and no unhooked kids do), and they represent 15% of the class, and 20 hooked kids at a public school, and they all get into Ivies (and no unhooked kids do), but they represent only 5% of the larger public school class, then the 100% admissions rate for hooked kids from the private is different from the 100% admissions rate for hooked kids from the public.

Ok.

Yes, that’s what I’m saying (minus the hooked vs. hooked part). The private school placed more of its grads in Ivies, based on percentages. Public schools don’t get to brag about the total number of Ivy placements just because they have 600 graduating seniors vs. 100.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ This.
I bet that 90% of Maret's Ivy admits are hooked. The ones I know definitely are.

I would put this at 95% for Maret this year. They're great/smart kids but they got the Ivy Admit because of 1)multi generational legacy 2)athletic recruitment 3)being an URM.
If you are not 2 out of 3 of these, going to Maret is not going to help you get into the Ivy League one bit.

NP but isn’t that the case at every private? Most NCS, STA, Sidwell’s Ivies are hooks, no?

Yes. So we need to stop saying "WOW, Maret 2023 is really amazing!" or "Amazing! Sidwell 2023 is knocking it out of the park!"

It has nothing to do with where these kids attended (or did not attend) high school. They would have the same results coming from GDS, STA, Whitman or Jackson Reed.

No they would NOT. Based on sheer numbers, there are more Whitman, McLean, Langley, Churchill, etc students than Sidwell, Maret, Holton students who are legacies at highly selective colleges. However, those public schools are sending a much lower percentage of students to the Ivies.

Attendance at top private schools make a difference, even if you don’t want to admit it.

So you’re saying that if there are 10 hooked kids at a private school, and they all get into Ivies (and no unhooked kids do), and they represent 15% of the class, and 20 hooked kids at a public school, and they all get into Ivies (and no unhooked kids do), but they represent only 5% of the larger public school class, then the 100% admissions rate for hooked kids from the private is different from the 100% admissions rate for hooked kids from the public.

Ok.

Yes, that’s what I’m saying (minus the hooked vs. hooked part). The private school placed more of its grads in Ivies, based on percentages. Public schools don’t get to brag about the total number of Ivy placements just because they have 600 graduating seniors vs. 100.

Do the math. Look at a good public and count. They're doing well (better!) and getting into schools GDS and Sidwell can't touch. (Why is another question, it is undeniable there is a favoritism towards public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Being an URM on its own will likely no longer be a hook. Most legal experts expect the Supreme Court to issue that decision next month.

Athletic excellence, Legacy, 1st Generation to go to College will likely remain as “hooks”.

Which is pretty ridiculous bc legacy is the most arbitrary unfair classist and mercenary-driven hook of all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being an URM on its own will likely no longer be a hook. Most legal experts expect the Supreme Court to issue that decision next month.

Athletic excellence, Legacy, 1st Generation to go to College will likely remain as “hooks”.

Which is pretty ridiculous bc legacy is the most arbitrary unfair classist and mercenary-driven hook of all.

Yep & none of the SCOTUS judges are going to get rid of legacy or athletic recruiting in sports that are obscenely expensive to take part in at a club level.

ACB has one daughter about to graduate ND & another who is finishing up freshman year. KBJ has one finishing up 1st year at Harvard. Another SCOTUS judge has a high school aged child actively pursuing athletic recruitment.