Magnet application result High School

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.

Actually, the enrollment of AA students at the blair manget is less than 5% which is far lower than AA representation in the county. This indicates that AA children are not favored. In fact, the only group whose enrollment exceeds their representation is Asian so guessing this is what the poster means by Brown?

I hate it when people make these simplistic arguments. It's much more complicated. What percentage of the top scorers are AA or AAPI? You don't just look at representation in the county. How much of the scores can be explained by systemic bias and how do you account for that? The bias doesn't just hit AA students. It hits many other minorities including Asians. DD came from a country where baseball is not played. One of the questions she got on some MAP test was about baseball diamonds. She had no idea what they were talking about. It was an analogy question I think. Is that actually a fair measure then?

Agree, the program is over 60% Asian and Asians make up about 15% of the county. It's obvious the current process favors that community.

Or they just score the highest?

See above.... or many posts on many threads. Don't you know that ALL Asians were trained by Dr Li. His class enrollment is 100,000 in MoCo and 3 Billion through zoom.

That’s crazy rumor about Dr Li. Dr Li is actually way too easy for my kids so we go to AOPS instead. So are other kids. His business is declining.

What even is AOPS? My TPMS magnet kid did say that most of the kids with 300 MAP scores had been open about spending weeks prepping for the test. He’s never done that and got 270-something and got in just the same,

AOPS is for competition math. Lots of kids need that kind of enrichment.

AoPS does a lot more than competition math. It is about providing challenging math and teaching problem solving.

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High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.

Actually, the enrollment of AA students at the blair manget is less than 5% which is far lower than AA representation in the county. This indicates that AA children are not favored. In fact, the only group whose enrollment exceeds their representation is Asian so guessing this is what the poster means by Brown?

I hate it when people make these simplistic arguments. It's much more complicated. What percentage of the top scorers are AA or AAPI? You don't just look at representation in the county. How much of the scores can be explained by systemic bias and how do you account for that? The bias doesn't just hit AA students. It hits many other minorities including Asians. DD came from a country where baseball is not played. One of the questions she got on some MAP test was about baseball diamonds. She had no idea what they were talking about. It was an analogy question I think. Is that actually a fair measure then?

Agree, the program is over 60% Asian and Asians make up about 15% of the county. It's obvious the current process favors that community.

Or they just score the highest?

Why? Because they are innately more intelligent or more suited to STEM fields? Conversely other races are not as smart? Seriously, think through what you are saying here.

self selection. better educated immigrant parents. and culturally more focus on education.

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Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

You forgot that asian kids test well even though they may not be smart.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.

Actually, the enrollment of AA students at the blair manget is less than 5% which is far lower than AA representation in the county. This indicates that AA children are not favored. In fact, the only group whose enrollment exceeds their representation is Asian so guessing this is what the poster means by Brown?

I hate it when people make these simplistic arguments. It's much more complicated. What percentage of the top scorers are AA or AAPI? You don't just look at representation in the county. How much of the scores can be explained by systemic bias and how do you account for that? The bias doesn't just hit AA students. It hits many other minorities including Asians. DD came from a country where baseball is not played. One of the questions she got on some MAP test was about baseball diamonds. She had no idea what they were talking about. It was an analogy question I think. Is that actually a fair measure then?

Agree, the program is over 60% Asian and Asians make up about 15% of the county. It's obvious the current process favors that community.

Please stop. This whole process was redone to move AAPI students out of the programs in favor of other racial groups. I think the group that ended up benefitting the most is - you guessed it white students - if you look at the data.

Give me a break. That wasn't the point at all. When a group is so overrepresented, any changes to the process will impact them. Your argument is like saying UVA went co-ed in 1970, to reduce male enrollment, which is just laughable.

I also find the claims of discrimination by the most well-represented group in the program hard to believe especially since race of the applicant is also not known because admissions are race blind.

It’s not only hard to believe but it’s insulting to those who did get in and basically sour grapes.

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Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

You forgot that asian kids test well even though they may not be smart.

Are you kidding or just a terrible racist?

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Not necessarily. Blair wants innovation, to think outside the box. That requires some diversity. If the kids in question are all in the same box of robotics, cs and strings, they may prefer a kid who has a slightly lower map who will bring art, environmental science, poetry and/or drama. It's likely more about scope than race. TPMS and Blair have always been heavily Asian and skewed male, btw. It would be good to have more diversity.

You are making the assumption that the asian kid is not into art, poetry or drama...that's the essential problem here. putting people in boxes...

Nope. I noted that the program is majority Asian, actually. This is based on the complaints here that parents make, then they only focus on scores. Also, based on years of experience in the magnets.

years of experience doesn't cure prejudice

Stop with the dog whistle. These are race blind, and I am trying to help parents who seem to think that their is a certain recipe for admission. Observations are not prejudice. Your petty remark may feed your distorted narrative, but it helps no one.
The prejudice is from the parents who insist their metrics are the most important.

Honestly, been following this for years and beyond a point it's kind of a dice roll. There are a lot of kids with perfect grades and 99%+. Last I knew they don't look at the raw score but the percentage so a kid with 275 is treated the same as a kid with 305. With grades, last I knew they only looked at math and science grades for 7th and Q1 8th. There are more kids with 99% and 4.0 in those classes than there are spots.

You keep repeating this over and over, but no one from MCPS has said they use percentages instead of raw score and the evidence points to the contrary. The 99th percentile 300+ MAP kids are getting in while the mere 99th percentile 270 kids are sometimes getting in and sometimes not. Most everyone has As.

There is a difference between a 305 and 275. Otherwise NWEA wouldn't differentiate between those scores and just make 270s the ceiling. If you have a paper or documentation that shows what you are saying please post it.

seems like the higher scoring 300+ mostly asian kids get in first. that's good at least. also seems like a 275 Asian kid has a much lesser chance of getting in than a 275 white kid.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.

Actually, the enrollment of AA students at the blair manget is less than 5% which is far lower than AA representation in the county. This indicates that AA children are not favored. In fact, the only group whose enrollment exceeds their representation is Asian so guessing this is what the poster means by Brown?

I hate it when people make these simplistic arguments. It's much more complicated. What percentage of the top scorers are AA or AAPI? You don't just look at representation in the county. How much of the scores can be explained by systemic bias and how do you account for that? The bias doesn't just hit AA students. It hits many other minorities including Asians. DD came from a country where baseball is not played. One of the questions she got on some MAP test was about baseball diamonds. She had no idea what they were talking about. It was an analogy question I think. Is that actually a fair measure then?

Agree, the program is over 60% Asian and Asians make up about 15% of the county. It's obvious the current process favors that community.

Or they just score the highest?

Why? Because they are innately more intelligent or more suited to STEM fields? Conversely other races are not as smart? Seriously, think through what you are saying here.

self selection. better educated immigrant parents. and culturally more focus on education.

So they have more advantages than other groups. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.

Actually, the enrollment of AA students at the blair manget is less than 5% which is far lower than AA representation in the county. This indicates that AA children are not favored. In fact, the only group whose enrollment exceeds their representation is Asian so guessing this is what the poster means by Brown?

I hate it when people make these simplistic arguments. It's much more complicated. What percentage of the top scorers are AA or AAPI? You don't just look at representation in the county. How much of the scores can be explained by systemic bias and how do you account for that? The bias doesn't just hit AA students. It hits many other minorities including Asians. DD came from a country where baseball is not played. One of the questions she got on some MAP test was about baseball diamonds. She had no idea what they were talking about. It was an analogy question I think. Is that actually a fair measure then?

Agree, the program is over 60% Asian and Asians make up about 15% of the county. It's obvious the current process favors that community.

Or they just score the highest?

See above.... or many posts on many threads. Don't you know that ALL Asians were trained by Dr Li. His class enrollment is 100,000 in MoCo and 3 Billion through zoom.

That’s crazy rumor about Dr Li. Dr Li is actually way too easy for my kids so we go to AOPS instead. So are other kids. His business is declining.

What even is AOPS? My TPMS magnet kid did say that most of the kids with 300 MAP scores had been open about spending weeks prepping for the test. He’s never done that and got 270-something and got in just the same,

AOPS is for competition math. Lots of kids need that kind of enrichment.

AoPS does a lot more than competition math. It is about providing challenging math and teaching problem solving.

Taking AOPS to increase the MAP test would not necessarily yield best result. I agree with the previous poster. AOPS is if you want depth. So you are not necessarily learning material that would increase MAP scores because you are not covering advanced topics. You can Grade 5 month in a different way. You also have to be evaluated by the Director to get into the class so there is no chance jumping 3 levels up just because you think your kid can hack it.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you guys help me differentiate between the Wheaton Biomedical Science and Engineering programs vs Rockville's Biomedical Science and Engineering programs? Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Not necessarily. Blair wants innovation, to think outside the box. That requires some diversity. If the kids in question are all in the same box of robotics, cs and strings, they may prefer a kid who has a slightly lower map who will bring art, environmental science, poetry and/or drama. It's likely more about scope than race. TPMS and Blair have always been heavily Asian and skewed male, btw. It would be good to have more diversity.

You are making the assumption that the asian kid is not into art, poetry or drama...that's the essential problem here. putting people in boxes...

Nope. I noted that the program is majority Asian, actually. This is based on the complaints here that parents make, then they only focus on scores. Also, based on years of experience in the magnets.

years of experience doesn't cure prejudice

Stop with the dog whistle. These are race blind, and I am trying to help parents who seem to think that their is a certain recipe for admission. Observations are not prejudice. Your petty remark may feed your distorted narrative, but it helps no one.
The prejudice is from the parents who insist their metrics are the most important.

Honestly, been following this for years and beyond a point it's kind of a dice roll. There are a lot of kids with perfect grades and 99%+. Last I knew they don't look at the raw score but the percentage so a kid with 275 is treated the same as a kid with 305. With grades, last I knew they only looked at math and science grades for 7th and Q1 8th. There are more kids with 99% and 4.0 in those classes than there are spots.

You keep repeating this over and over, but no one from MCPS has said they use percentages instead of raw score and the evidence points to the contrary. The 99th percentile 300+ MAP kids are getting in while the mere 99th percentile 270 kids are sometimes getting in and sometimes not. Most everyone has As.

There is a difference between a 305 and 275. Otherwise NWEA wouldn't differentiate between those scores and just make 270s the ceiling. If you have a paper or documentation that shows what you are saying please post it.

seems like the higher scoring 300+ mostly asian kids get in first. that's good at least. also seems like a 275 Asian kid has a much lesser chance of getting in than a 275 white kid.

Why do you say that? Specifically.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.

Actually, the enrollment of AA students at the blair manget is less than 5% which is far lower than AA representation in the county. This indicates that AA children are not favored. In fact, the only group whose enrollment exceeds their representation is Asian so guessing this is what the poster means by Brown?

I hate it when people make these simplistic arguments. It's much more complicated. What percentage of the top scorers are AA or AAPI? You don't just look at representation in the county. How much of the scores can be explained by systemic bias and how do you account for that? The bias doesn't just hit AA students. It hits many other minorities including Asians. DD came from a country where baseball is not played. One of the questions she got on some MAP test was about baseball diamonds. She had no idea what they were talking about. It was an analogy question I think. Is that actually a fair measure then?

Agree, the program is over 60% Asian and Asians make up about 15% of the county. It's obvious the current process favors that community.

Or they just score the highest?

See above.... or many posts on many threads. Don't you know that ALL Asians were trained by Dr Li. His class enrollment is 100,000 in MoCo and 3 Billion through zoom.

That’s crazy rumor about Dr Li. Dr Li is actually way too easy for my kids so we go to AOPS instead. So are other kids. His business is declining.

What even is AOPS? My TPMS magnet kid did say that most of the kids with 300 MAP scores had been open about spending weeks prepping for the test. He’s never done that and got 270-something and got in just the same,

AOPS is for competition math. Lots of kids need that kind of enrichment.

AoPS does a lot more than competition math. It is about providing challenging math and teaching problem solving.

Taking AOPS to increase the MAP test would not necessarily yield best result. I agree with the previous poster. AOPS is if you want depth. So you are not necessarily learning material that would increase MAP scores because you are not covering advanced topics. You can Grade 5 month in a different way. You also have to be evaluated by the Director to get into the class so there is no chance jumping 3 levels up just because you think your kid can hack it.

^You can learn Grade 5 math in a different way.

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Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

I don't think it's that black or white; however, some people invest heavily in outside enrichment and use essay consultants to give their kids an advantage. Other, more organic ways exist to find kids who best fit these programs. For example, I'd bet the magnet teachers at TPMS can identify their top students. This is different than teacher recs since it could be done by a group so less subjective. Also, what is best exactly? This isn't just about the highest scores. Also, there are plenty of bright kids at places other than TPMS... My guess is they're already doing these things.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.

Actually, the enrollment of AA students at the blair manget is less than 5% which is far lower than AA representation in the county. This indicates that AA children are not favored. In fact, the only group whose enrollment exceeds their representation is Asian so guessing this is what the poster means by Brown?

I hate it when people make these simplistic arguments. It's much more complicated. What percentage of the top scorers are AA or AAPI? You don't just look at representation in the county. How much of the scores can be explained by systemic bias and how do you account for that? The bias doesn't just hit AA students. It hits many other minorities including Asians. DD came from a country where baseball is not played. One of the questions she got on some MAP test was about baseball diamonds. She had no idea what they were talking about. It was an analogy question I think. Is that actually a fair measure then?

Agree, the program is over 60% Asian and Asians make up about 15% of the county. It's obvious the current process favors that community.

Or they just score the highest?

See above.... or many posts on many threads. Don't you know that ALL Asians were trained by Dr Li. His class enrollment is 100,000 in MoCo and 3 Billion through zoom.

That’s crazy rumor about Dr Li. Dr Li is actually way too easy for my kids so we go to AOPS instead. So are other kids. His business is declining.

What even is AOPS? My TPMS magnet kid did say that most of the kids with 300 MAP scores had been open about spending weeks prepping for the test. He’s never done that and got 270-something and got in just the same,

AOPS is for competition math. Lots of kids need that kind of enrichment.

AoPS does a lot more than competition math. It is about providing challenging math and teaching problem solving.

Taking AOPS to increase the MAP test would not necessarily yield best result. I agree with the previous poster. AOPS is if you want depth. So you are not necessarily learning material that would increase MAP scores because you are not covering advanced topics. You can Grade 5 month in a different way. You also have to be evaluated by the Director to get into the class so there is no chance jumping 3 levels up just because you think your kid can hack it.

^You can learn Grade 5 math in a different way.

I remember doing Beast Academy Online with my 8 year old when it first came out. We got through grades 3-5 in 6 months. I thought his MAP score will go through the roof. It did not. He did however learn a lot of math.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.

Actually, the enrollment of AA students at the blair manget is less than 5% which is far lower than AA representation in the county. This indicates that AA children are not favored. In fact, the only group whose enrollment exceeds their representation is Asian so guessing this is what the poster means by Brown?

I hate it when people make these simplistic arguments. It's much more complicated. What percentage of the top scorers are AA or AAPI? You don't just look at representation in the county. How much of the scores can be explained by systemic bias and how do you account for that? The bias doesn't just hit AA students. It hits many other minorities including Asians. DD came from a country where baseball is not played. One of the questions she got on some MAP test was about baseball diamonds. She had no idea what they were talking about. It was an analogy question I think. Is that actually a fair measure then?

Agree, the program is over 60% Asian and Asians make up about 15% of the county. It's obvious the current process favors that community.

Please stop. This whole process was redone to move AAPI students out of the programs in favor of other racial groups. I think the group that ended up benefitting the most is - you guessed it white students - if you look at the data.

Give me a break. That wasn't the point at all. When a group is so overrepresented, any changes to the process will impact them. Your argument is like saying UVA went co-ed in 1970, to reduce male enrollment, which is just laughable.

I also find the claims of discrimination by the most well-represented group in the program hard to believe especially since race of the applicant is also not known because admissions are race blind.

It’s not only hard to believe but it’s insulting to those who did get in and basically sour grapes.

actually no. the top kids who have got in are actually a great fit. it is just that now it has just become MAP M as a differentiator. studying ahead with AOPs is good for MAP M. a more broader assessment with cogat/other test + map M + grades + possibly recs makes it a more rovust process .