Cheh's Ward 3 ANC Gerrymandering

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

Don’t worry. Cleveland Park Smart Growth and it’s partner Ward 3 Vision (Redistricting Tsar Ward is on the boards of both) will next turn their attention to making 34th Street a commercial, denser mixed-use corridor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

If your bad logic holds, then you have no say in anything regarding Hardy Middle School because you don't live in the ANC where Hardy is located, despite Eaton being in its feeder pattern.

3C just passed a resolution about Hardy, even though Hardy isn't in 3C. Was there shock and horror? No there was not. You can have a say on Eaton even if you don't live in the ANC that covers it - just attend the public meeting and/or write the commissioners. Or, get your own commissioner to do that.

So does this mean that residents in the new 3A will a continue to have a “great weight” say through their ANC commissioners in transportation issues or development on Connecticut Avenue?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
That was clearly the gerrymandering intent of the Smart Growth task force group

Fink has the densest district in 3C. There really isn't a way to carve it up such that his building isn't the population centerpiece.

Pagats could potentially be vulnerable to a Kennedy-Warren challenger, but that is unlikely to change the outcomes on 3C.

The Mendo map could have made a completely urbanist 3C, especially given the organizing prowess of Cleveland Park Smart Growth.

This is what I find hilarious, the 'smart growth' people were trying to be civic minded. They knew that the old 3C was simply too big and that the new 2000+ people coming into the middle Wisconsin area would simply overwhelm the system - which they controlled. Now we can quibble at the exact dividing line, but honestly it is absurd to have people on CT ave dealing with stuff on WI ave. Sure the new map isn't perfect, but I'm not sure a perfect map is possible given the goal to make relatively equal sized ANCs. This seems pretty good.

Also I don't think many of the SMD people in the new 3C are at a big risk, they have more friends in their reasonably priced condo buildings than the annoying shouty single family owners in their multi-million dollar homes. Honestly, I'll vote to keep mine around; they are pretty much our only chance of keeping businesses around. They'll never be enough parking for car-oriented development (there simply isn't enough land unless you demolish all the single family homes), so I love the pivot to bikes and walking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

Don’t worry. Cleveland Park Smart Growth and it’s partner Ward 3 Vision (Redistricting Tsar Ward is on the boards of both) will next turn their attention to making 34th Street a commercial, denser mixed-use corridor.

Good. I wish there was at least a corner store nearby. Not sure why people get a veto on what their neighbor does with their own property. If they want to build a few apartments, why shouldn't they? It is their land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

If your bad logic holds, then you have no say in anything regarding Hardy Middle School because you don't live in the ANC where Hardy is located, despite Eaton being in its feeder pattern.

3C just passed a resolution about Hardy, even though Hardy isn't in 3C. Was there shock and horror? No there was not. You can have a say on Eaton even if you don't live in the ANC that covers it - just attend the public meeting and/or write the commissioners. Or, get your own commissioner to do that.

So does this mean that residents in the new 3A will a continue to have a “great weight” say through their ANC commissioners in transportation issues or development on Connecticut Avenue?

bad faith arguer makes argument at bad faith. news at 11.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s blatant gerrymandering to cut out the voices- voters and ANC reps - who are interested in more reasonable growth in Cleveland Park. Members of the Task Force have not been shy about sharing their pro-development agendas and undermining historic preservation in Cleveland Park for years. People whose views differ volunteered for the Task Force and were rejected. The folks behind the gerrymandering don’t like the opinions held by many of the voters who live in homes between Wisconsin and Connecticut so their solution is to cut half of them out of having any say about what happens in Cleveland Park below Reno Toad/34th St. It doesn’t seem to bother the Task Force members that citizens being cut out send their kids to the public school on 34th St and will no longer have an ANC rep who has a vote over what happens at the school, or the traffic surrounding the school. (The Task Force member who lives in Cleveland Park sends his kids to private school). The Cleveland Park citizens being cut out rely on the fire station and Metro on Connecticut Ave and frequent the stores and restaurants in Connecticut Ave. The Task Force is severing a long established and cohesive neighborhood for their own selfish political agenda. Sheer stupidity.

And greed. The principal architect of the gerrymandering, Mr Ward, has worked for clients like the Trump campaign, Paul Manafort, JUUL, the ex-President who fled to Russia during the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, etc. His website states that he creates advocacy groups and develops public strategies on behalf of his clients. He formed Cleveland Park Smart Growth (unincorporated and does not disclose its finances) which supports candidates, including himself and one of the other task force members for the ANC and Beau Finley for Council. Shaping electoral districts that are more likely will elect pro-Smart Growth candidates to the ANC (given “great weight” under DC law in planning, zoning and historic preservation decisions) is a huge win for undisclosed development interests in Ward 3.

Wow, talk about deranged. You are just making up a grab bag of stuff to smear someone who has a relatively minor local zoning quibble with you. Are you OK in the head? I can suggest some good people if you need to talk to somebody/get deprogramming help. We are there for you.

It does seem kinda weird that a guy who shows up multiple times in the Senate Intel and Mueller reports for his activities involving Ukraine and Russia would be appointed by Cheh to such a position of influence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suck it, Mendo and Goulet.

This,

Shameful that Goulet would sign on to this garbage.

He really showed his colors in enthusiastically embracing an effort that would have diluted the voices of virtually everyone else in Ward 3 in order to placate a couple of hundred NIMBYs in Cleveland Park.

Explain how keeping a neighborhood together dilutes virtually everyone else in Ward 3?

ANC3D was absolutely massive - 11 freaking SMDs - on Mendelsohn's map. ANC3B was also ridiculously large.

ANCs - not SMDs - are afforded equal 'great weight' in the eyes of city agencies. The proposal really screwed over ANC3D and ANC3B.

Basically 3C were the only complainers and 3D and 3B were getting screwed by the Mendo map. Why do the single family home owners in 3C complain so much? They are rich and they really don't have any actual problems in their lives. Is this the only outlet for their spare time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
That was clearly the gerrymandering intent of the Smart Growth task force group

Fink has the densest district in 3C. There really isn't a way to carve it up such that his building isn't the population centerpiece.

Pagats could potentially be vulnerable to a Kennedy-Warren challenger, but that is unlikely to change the outcomes on 3C.

The Mendo map could have made a completely urbanist 3C, especially given the organizing prowess of Cleveland Park Smart Growth.

This is what I find hilarious, the 'smart growth' people were trying to be civic minded. They knew that the old 3C was simply too big and that the new 2000+ people coming into the middle Wisconsin area would simply overwhelm the system - which they controlled. Now we can quibble at the exact dividing line, but honestly it is absurd to have people on CT ave dealing with stuff on WI ave. Sure the new map isn't perfect, but I'm not sure a perfect map is possible given the goal to make relatively equal sized ANCs. This seems pretty good.

Also I don't think many of the SMD people in the new 3C are at a big risk, they have more friends in their reasonably priced condo buildings than the annoying shouty single family owners in their multi-million dollar homes. Honestly, I'll vote to keep mine around; they are pretty much our only chance of keeping businesses around. They'll never be enough parking for car-oriented development (there simply isn't enough land unless you demolish all the single family homes), so I love the pivot to bikes and walking.

100%.

Many of these commissioners seem to have the long-term future of the neighborhood, the city, and the planet in mind. Their push for more affordable housing is welcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

Don’t worry. Cleveland Park Smart Growth and it’s partner Ward 3 Vision (Redistricting Tsar Ward is on the boards of both) will next turn their attention to making 34th Street a commercial, denser mixed-use corridor.

Good. I wish there was at least a corner store nearby. Not sure why people get a veto on what their neighbor does with their own property. If they want to build a few apartments, why shouldn't they? It is their land.

DC Smart Growth “Urbanist” definition =Trumpy Ayn Rand conservatives who spin progressive-sounding language to advance special economic interests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

If your bad logic holds, then you have no say in anything regarding Hardy Middle School because you don't live in the ANC where Hardy is located, despite Eaton being in its feeder pattern.

3C just passed a resolution about Hardy, even though Hardy isn't in 3C. Was there shock and horror? No there was not. You can have a say on Eaton even if you don't live in the ANC that covers it - just attend the public meeting and/or write the commissioners. Or, get your own commissioner to do that.

That a fallacious argument. If everyone has equal standing regardless, why bother to change the boundaries at all?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s blatant gerrymandering to cut out the voices- voters and ANC reps - who are interested in more reasonable growth in Cleveland Park. Members of the Task Force have not been shy about sharing their pro-development agendas and undermining historic preservation in Cleveland Park for years. People whose views differ volunteered for the Task Force and were rejected. The folks behind the gerrymandering don’t like the opinions held by many of the voters who live in homes between Wisconsin and Connecticut so their solution is to cut half of them out of having any say about what happens in Cleveland Park below Reno Toad/34th St. It doesn’t seem to bother the Task Force members that citizens being cut out send their kids to the public school on 34th St and will no longer have an ANC rep who has a vote over what happens at the school, or the traffic surrounding the school. (The Task Force member who lives in Cleveland Park sends his kids to private school). The Cleveland Park citizens being cut out rely on the fire station and Metro on Connecticut Ave and frequent the stores and restaurants in Connecticut Ave. The Task Force is severing a long established and cohesive neighborhood for their own selfish political agenda. Sheer stupidity.

And greed. The principal architect of the gerrymandering, Mr Ward, has worked for clients like the Trump campaign, Paul Manafort, JUUL, the ex-President who fled to Russia during the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, etc. His website states that he creates advocacy groups and develops public strategies on behalf of his clients. He formed Cleveland Park Smart Growth (unincorporated and does not disclose its finances) which supports candidates, including himself and one of the other task force members for the ANC and Beau Finley for Council. Shaping electoral districts that are more likely will elect pro-Smart Growth candidates to the ANC (given “great weight” under DC law in planning, zoning and historic preservation decisions) is a huge win for undisclosed development interests in Ward 3.

Wow, talk about deranged. You are just making up a grab bag of stuff to smear someone who has a relatively minor local zoning quibble with you. Are you OK in the head? I can suggest some good people if you need to talk to somebody/get deprogramming help. We are there for you.

It does seem kinda weird that a guy who shows up multiple times in the Senate Intel and Mueller reports for his activities involving Ukraine and Russia would be appointed by Cheh to such a position of influence.

I wonder if Ward knows that he is living rent-free in your head. Maybe he's savoring your fixation with a big glass of Sangiovese while basking in the warm afterglow of a 10-3 victory for his sordid plan to tear Cleveland Park apart.

Your railings are fantastic, so please keep them up. Really top notch stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If everyone has equal standing regardless, why bother to change the boundaries at all?

You may need to write this down somewhere for later reference - the boundaries needed to change because population changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

Don’t worry. Cleveland Park Smart Growth and it’s partner Ward 3 Vision (Redistricting Tsar Ward is on the boards of both) will next turn their attention to making 34th Street a commercial, denser mixed-use corridor.

Good. I wish there was at least a corner store nearby. Not sure why people get a veto on what their neighbor does with their own property. If they want to build a few apartments, why shouldn't they? It is their land.

DC Smart Growth “Urbanist” definition =Trumpy Ayn Rand conservatives who spin progressive-sounding language to advance special economic interests.

Wait, so wanting a convenient corner store to grab some milk or a coffee is the the same as being a trumpy rand nutjob? Wow talk about a big jump in logic. No wonder Cheh decided to reject people like you and your wishes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
That was clearly the gerrymandering intent of the Smart Growth task force group

Fink has the densest district in 3C. There really isn't a way to carve it up such that his building isn't the population centerpiece.

Pagats could potentially be vulnerable to a Kennedy-Warren challenger, but that is unlikely to change the outcomes on 3C.

The Mendo map could have made a completely urbanist 3C, especially given the organizing prowess of Cleveland Park Smart Growth.

This is what I find hilarious, the 'smart growth' people were trying to be civic minded. They knew that the old 3C was simply too big and that the new 2000+ people coming into the middle Wisconsin area would simply overwhelm the system - which they controlled. Now we can quibble at the exact dividing line, but honestly it is absurd to have people on CT ave dealing with stuff on WI ave. Sure the new map isn't perfect, but I'm not sure a perfect map is possible given the goal to make relatively equal sized ANCs. This seems pretty good.

Also I don't think many of the SMD people in the new 3C are at a big risk, they have more friends in their reasonably priced condo buildings than the annoying shouty single family owners in their multi-million dollar homes. Honestly, I'll vote to keep mine around; they are pretty much our only chance of keeping businesses around. They'll never be enough parking for car-oriented development (there simply isn't enough land unless you demolish all the single family homes), so I love the pivot to bikes and walking.

So the task force and Mary Cheh drew a single member district thst is a block wide but 1.5 miles long. So someone who lives, say, southeast of the VP’s residence will have the same commissioner as someone on Rodman Street, when their neighborhood issues and concerns are totally different. That would be like having someone who lives west of AU having a say on what happens at Connecticut and Macomb. Why is it “absurd” to have the Cleveland Park neighbirhood (which extends from Wisconsin across Connecticut Ave) in the same ANC , yet support a final map that has such a nonsensical SMD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

Don’t worry. Cleveland Park Smart Growth and it’s partner Ward 3 Vision (Redistricting Tsar Ward is on the boards of both) will next turn their attention to making 34th Street a commercial, denser mixed-use corridor.

But this is the kind of crazy stuff many of us come here for, right?

Good. I wish there was at least a corner store nearby. Not sure why people get a veto on what their neighbor does with their own property. If they want to build a few apartments, why shouldn't they? It is their land.

DC Smart Growth “Urbanist” definition =Trumpy Ayn Rand conservatives who spin progressive-sounding language to advance special economic interests.

Wait, so wanting a convenient corner store to grab some milk or a coffee is the the same as being a trumpy rand nutjob? Wow talk about a big jump in logic. No wonder Cheh decided to reject people like you and your wishes.