DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD played for FCV and we decided to leave. We would not go back. The biggest issue is that I don’t think it was a positive environment. I don’t like how the coaches treat the players. I saw several of them berating players. One was yelling at two girls sitting on the bench that had just come off the field for a game and was yelling at them telling them that they are terrible and will never play for him again if they don’t improve and brought one of them to tears. Another one of the coaches in a training session told the girls that if they not kick the ball right he would kill them. When I realized these were the coaches that would be teaching my DD as she got older - bye bye.

Winning is everything at FCV and they really don’t care about the players. They are very disorganized and field space is an issue as well. Perhaps word is getting out about them. I think everyone in the area is a bit surprised by the lack of interest in FCV at tryouts.

For a long time they were the only option for top soccer in the area. Now with other options for ECNL and DA there is no reason for us to ever play there again.

I agree. A lot of people are leaving because they are not happy and realize there are other high level clubs out there that offer their DD the same opportunities minus the toxic environment. As a result FCV is struggling to field more than one team at each age group this year. NO teams at all for the U9 and U10 age bracket. So now they are trying to recruit entire teams incl coaches to join the club. I don't think non DA clubs like Loudoun, VDA, BRYC or any of the other clubs around here have this issue.
Truth is FCV should have never been granted DA status. Like the above poster noted they are not organized, struggle to have field access and simply don't have a viable and big enough pipeline to support the older age groups.
I wouldn't be shocked to see them loose their status in the near future.

I think it's likely FCV got their DA status based on ECNL performance + they do have some girls with NT status. No doubt though, that's no golden ticket to ongoing DA status, and we will see how the younger age groups do as things move forward. I do know there were some FCV pick ups at Spirit from 01 down. Not any large movement yet, but any movement at all is interesting.

I’m curious to know if any of these FCV DA players in the older age groups chose WS over FCV DA for next season. I don’t believe any 03s or 04s did. Very little movement, if any between the two DAs in those age groups.

I know of some FCV 04s from last year that are WS currently this year. Per the parents, they chose WS deliberately, and per the parents, they did not even try out with FCV's DA. I don't know the details of their circumstances. I know of 1 FCV 03 who will be joining WS this coming year, but I do not know the particulars of her circumstances either. I only know of 1 WS 04 who was trying out at FCV. She didn't make it last year, and I do not know if she made it this year. I do not know of any 03s who tried out for FCV. To my knowledge, none would even consider it as an option.

I'm of course aware that standings for both 04s and 03s are very lack luster, but in speaking to parents and players, they believe that their DDs got better, that they knew going in as a start up youth club WS would struggle so they came in knowing that they wouldn't have the ready made team of most other clubs and that they were mentally prepared for that. Returning families of both age groups seem fairly confident in the increased strength of next year's roster as well, and they all speak confidently that they made the right choice and that they would do it again. The environment of the VA side at least seems very positive and optimistic.

I obviously cannot speak to the FCV environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD played for FCV and we decided to leave. We would not go back. The biggest issue is that I don’t think it was a positive environment. I don’t like how the coaches treat the players. I saw several of them berating players. One was yelling at two girls sitting on the bench that had just come off the field for a game and was yelling at them telling them that they are terrible and will never play for him again if they don’t improve and brought one of them to tears. Another one of the coaches in a training session told the girls that if they not kick the ball right he would kill them. When I realized these were the coaches that would be teaching my DD as she got older - bye bye.

Winning is everything at FCV and they really don’t care about the players. They are very disorganized and field space is an issue as well. Perhaps word is getting out about them. I think everyone in the area is a bit surprised by the lack of interest in FCV at tryouts.

For a long time they were the only option for top soccer in the area. Now with other options for ECNL and DA there is no reason for us to ever play there again.

I agree. A lot of people are leaving because they are not happy and realize there are other high level clubs out there that offer their DD the same opportunities minus the toxic environment. As a result FCV is struggling to field more than one team at each age group this year. NO teams at all for the U9 and U10 age bracket. So now they are trying to recruit entire teams incl coaches to join the club. I don't think non DA clubs like Loudoun, VDA, BRYC or any of the other clubs around here have this issue.
Truth is FCV should have never been granted DA status. Like the above poster noted they are not organized, struggle to have field access and simply don't have a viable and big enough pipeline to support the older age groups.
I wouldn't be shocked to see them loose their status in the near future.

I think it's likely FCV got their DA status based on ECNL performance + they do have some girls with NT status. No doubt though, that's no golden ticket to ongoing DA status, and we will see how the younger age groups do as things move forward. I do know there were some FCV pick ups at Spirit from 01 down. Not any large movement yet, but any movement at all is interesting.

I’m curious to know if any of these FCV DA players in the older age groups chose WS over FCV DA for next season. I don’t believe any 03s or 04s did. Very little movement, if any between the two DAs in those age groups.

I doubt anyone would elect WS teams over FCV, McLean or Loudoun. The stats and records don’t lie, as the WS 03 & 04 teams are the worst in the country.

Talent of those two age groups at WS = a top NCSL team

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD played for FCV and we decided to leave. We would not go back. The biggest issue is that I don’t think it was a positive environment. I don’t like how the coaches treat the players. I saw several of them berating players. One was yelling at two girls sitting on the bench that had just come off the field for a game and was yelling at them telling them that they are terrible and will never play for him again if they don’t improve and brought one of them to tears. Another one of the coaches in a training session told the girls that if they not kick the ball right he would kill them. When I realized these were the coaches that would be teaching my DD as she got older - bye bye.

Winning is everything at FCV and they really don’t care about the players. They are very disorganized and field space is an issue as well. Perhaps word is getting out about them. I think everyone in the area is a bit surprised by the lack of interest in FCV at tryouts.

For a long time they were the only option for top soccer in the area. Now with other options for ECNL and DA there is no reason for us to ever play there again.

I agree. A lot of people are leaving because they are not happy and realize there are other high level clubs out there that offer their DD the same opportunities minus the toxic environment. As a result FCV is struggling to field more than one team at each age group this year. NO teams at all for the U9 and U10 age bracket. So now they are trying to recruit entire teams incl coaches to join the club. I don't think non DA clubs like Loudoun, VDA, BRYC or any of the other clubs around here have this issue.
Truth is FCV should have never been granted DA status. Like the above poster noted they are not organized, struggle to have field access and simply don't have a viable and big enough pipeline to support the older age groups.
I wouldn't be shocked to see them loose their status in the near future.

I think it's likely FCV got their DA status based on ECNL performance + they do have some girls with NT status. No doubt though, that's no golden ticket to ongoing DA status, and we will see how the younger age groups do as things move forward. I do know there were some FCV pick ups at Spirit from 01 down. Not any large movement yet, but any movement at all is interesting.

I’m curious to know if any of these FCV DA players in the older age groups chose WS over FCV DA for next season. I don’t believe any 03s or 04s did. Very little movement, if any between the two DAs in those age groups.

I doubt anyone would elect WS teams over FCV, McLean or Loudoun. The stats and records don’t lie, as the WS 03 & 04 teams are the worst in the country.

Talent of those two age groups at WS = a top NCSL team

And yet some apparently did. Go figure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD played for FCV and we decided to leave. We would not go back. The biggest issue is that I don’t think it was a positive environment. I don’t like how the coaches treat the players. I saw several of them berating players. One was yelling at two girls sitting on the bench that had just come off the field for a game and was yelling at them telling them that they are terrible and will never play for him again if they don’t improve and brought one of them to tears. Another one of the coaches in a training session told the girls that if they not kick the ball right he would kill them. When I realized these were the coaches that would be teaching my DD as she got older - bye bye.

Winning is everything at FCV and they really don’t care about the players. They are very disorganized and field space is an issue as well. Perhaps word is getting out about them. I think everyone in the area is a bit surprised by the lack of interest in FCV at tryouts.

For a long time they were the only option for top soccer in the area. Now with other options for ECNL and DA there is no reason for us to ever play there again.

I agree. A lot of people are leaving because they are not happy and realize there are other high level clubs out there that offer their DD the same opportunities minus the toxic environment. As a result FCV is struggling to field more than one team at each age group this year. NO teams at all for the U9 and U10 age bracket. So now they are trying to recruit entire teams incl coaches to join the club. I don't think non DA clubs like Loudoun, VDA, BRYC or any of the other clubs around here have this issue.
Truth is FCV should have never been granted DA status. Like the above poster noted they are not organized, struggle to have field access and simply don't have a viable and big enough pipeline to support the older age groups.
I wouldn't be shocked to see them loose their status in the near future.

I think it's likely FCV got their DA status based on ECNL performance + they do have some girls with NT status. No doubt though, that's no golden ticket to ongoing DA status, and we will see how the younger age groups do as things move forward. I do know there were some FCV pick ups at Spirit from 01 down. Not any large movement yet, but any movement at all is interesting.

I’m curious to know if any of these FCV DA players in the older age groups chose WS over FCV DA for next season. I don’t believe any 03s or 04s did. Very little movement, if any between the two DAs in those age groups.

I doubt anyone would elect WS teams over FCV, McLean or Loudoun. The stats and records don’t lie, as the WS 03 & 04 teams are the worst in the country.

Talent of those two age groups at WS = a top NCSL team

And yet some apparently did. Go figure.

Really? Definitely last year, but for the 2018-2019 season?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD played for FCV and we decided to leave. We would not go back. The biggest issue is that I don’t think it was a positive environment. I don’t like how the coaches treat the players. I saw several of them berating players. One was yelling at two girls sitting on the bench that had just come off the field for a game and was yelling at them telling them that they are terrible and will never play for him again if they don’t improve and brought one of them to tears. Another one of the coaches in a training session told the girls that if they not kick the ball right he would kill them. When I realized these were the coaches that would be teaching my DD as she got older - bye bye.

Winning is everything at FCV and they really don’t care about the players. They are very disorganized and field space is an issue as well. Perhaps word is getting out about them. I think everyone in the area is a bit surprised by the lack of interest in FCV at tryouts.

For a long time they were the only option for top soccer in the area. Now with other options for ECNL and DA there is no reason for us to ever play there again.

I agree. A lot of people are leaving because they are not happy and realize there are other high level clubs out there that offer their DD the same opportunities minus the toxic environment. As a result FCV is struggling to field more than one team at each age group this year. NO teams at all for the U9 and U10 age bracket. So now they are trying to recruit entire teams incl coaches to join the club. I don't think non DA clubs like Loudoun, VDA, BRYC or any of the other clubs around here have this issue.
Truth is FCV should have never been granted DA status. Like the above poster noted they are not organized, struggle to have field access and simply don't have a viable and big enough pipeline to support the older age groups.
I wouldn't be shocked to see them loose their status in the near future.

I think it's likely FCV got their DA status based on ECNL performance + they do have some girls with NT status. No doubt though, that's no golden ticket to ongoing DA status, and we will see how the younger age groups do as things move forward. I do know there were some FCV pick ups at Spirit from 01 down. Not any large movement yet, but any movement at all is interesting.

I’m curious to know if any of these FCV DA players in the older age groups chose WS over FCV DA for next season. I don’t believe any 03s or 04s did. Very little movement, if any between the two DAs in those age groups.

I doubt anyone would elect WS teams over FCV, McLean or Loudoun. The stats and records don’t lie, as the WS 03 & 04 teams are the worst in the country.

Talent of those two age groups at WS = a top NCSL team

And yet some apparently did. Go figure.

Left his year after one season? Fall 2018? I think that’s false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD played for FCV and we decided to leave. We would not go back. The biggest issue is that I don’t think it was a positive environment. I don’t like how the coaches treat the players. I saw several of them berating players. One was yelling at two girls sitting on the bench that had just come off the field for a game and was yelling at them telling them that they are terrible and will never play for him again if they don’t improve and brought one of them to tears. Another one of the coaches in a training session told the girls that if they not kick the ball right he would kill them. When I realized these were the coaches that would be teaching my DD as she got older - bye bye.

Winning is everything at FCV and they really don’t care about the players. They are very disorganized and field space is an issue as well. Perhaps word is getting out about them. I think everyone in the area is a bit surprised by the lack of interest in FCV at tryouts.

For a long time they were the only option for top soccer in the area. Now with other options for ECNL and DA there is no reason for us to ever play there again.

I agree. A lot of people are leaving because they are not happy and realize there are other high level clubs out there that offer their DD the same opportunities minus the toxic environment. As a result FCV is struggling to field more than one team at each age group this year. NO teams at all for the U9 and U10 age bracket. So now they are trying to recruit entire teams incl coaches to join the club. I don't think non DA clubs like Loudoun, VDA, BRYC or any of the other clubs around here have this issue.
Truth is FCV should have never been granted DA status. Like the above poster noted they are not organized, struggle to have field access and simply don't have a viable and big enough pipeline to support the older age groups.
I wouldn't be shocked to see them loose their status in the near future.

I think it's likely FCV got their DA status based on ECNL performance + they do have some girls with NT status. No doubt though, that's no golden ticket to ongoing DA status, and we will see how the younger age groups do as things move forward. I do know there were some FCV pick ups at Spirit from 01 down. Not any large movement yet, but any movement at all is interesting.

I’m curious to know if any of these FCV DA players in the older age groups chose WS over FCV DA for next season. I don’t believe any 03s or 04s did. Very little movement, if any between the two DAs in those age groups.

I doubt anyone would elect WS teams over FCV, McLean or Loudoun. The stats and records don’t lie, as the WS 03 & 04 teams are the worst in the country.

Talent of those two age groups at WS = a top NCSL team

And yet some apparently did. Go figure.

Really? Definitely last year, but for the 2018-2019 season?

Yes, for 2018-2019. I'm not saying it's a mass exodus, but there is some movement. What is more interesting to me than the fact that some are leaving to go to WS is that WS does have some very talented players (like kids who have been at NTCs, whom scouts are keeping an eye out for, etc) who are not making any move to leave. That is quite a retention of talent. They also seem to have retained the talent of the U17 group. So they must be doing something right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD played for FCV and we decided to leave. We would not go back. The biggest issue is that I don’t think it was a positive environment. I don’t like how the coaches treat the players. I saw several of them berating players. One was yelling at two girls sitting on the bench that had just come off the field for a game and was yelling at them telling them that they are terrible and will never play for him again if they don’t improve and brought one of them to tears. Another one of the coaches in a training session told the girls that if they not kick the ball right he would kill them. When I realized these were the coaches that would be teaching my DD as she got older - bye bye.

Winning is everything at FCV and they really don’t care about the players. They are very disorganized and field space is an issue as well. Perhaps word is getting out about them. I think everyone in the area is a bit surprised by the lack of interest in FCV at tryouts.

For a long time they were the only option for top soccer in the area. Now with other options for ECNL and DA there is no reason for us to ever play there again.

I agree. A lot of people are leaving because they are not happy and realize there are other high level clubs out there that offer their DD the same opportunities minus the toxic environment. As a result FCV is struggling to field more than one team at each age group this year. NO teams at all for the U9 and U10 age bracket. So now they are trying to recruit entire teams incl coaches to join the club. I don't think non DA clubs like Loudoun, VDA, BRYC or any of the other clubs around here have this issue.
Truth is FCV should have never been granted DA status. Like the above poster noted they are not organized, struggle to have field access and simply don't have a viable and big enough pipeline to support the older age groups.
I wouldn't be shocked to see them loose their status in the near future.

I think it's likely FCV got their DA status based on ECNL performance + they do have some girls with NT status. No doubt though, that's no golden ticket to ongoing DA status, and we will see how the younger age groups do as things move forward. I do know there were some FCV pick ups at Spirit from 01 down. Not any large movement yet, but any movement at all is interesting.

I’m curious to know if any of these FCV DA players in the older age groups chose WS over FCV DA for next season. I don’t believe any 03s or 04s did. Very little movement, if any between the two DAs in those age groups.

I doubt anyone would elect WS teams over FCV, McLean or Loudoun. The stats and records don’t lie, as the WS 03 & 04 teams are the worst in the country.

Talent of those two age groups at WS = a top NCSL team

And yet some apparently did. Go figure.

Left his year after one season? Fall 2018? I think that’s false.

Ok, I don't have to prove anything to this board. Let's just wait for the rosters to come out. That's not to say that FCV lost all its players (and they didn't lose any of their top 5 stars). That being said, WS 02/03 team and 04 teams will be much more solid, so let's see what year 2 looks like (and how that impacts tryouts a year from now). Some people are always chasing the win. For them, FCV is your club, but if you are chasing development, I can say WS is for you (and I am not commenting on Loudoun or McLean, as I just don't know what the ECNL looks like). It's been a year, which is a really long time in youth soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD played for FCV and we decided to leave. We would not go back. The biggest issue is that I don’t think it was a positive environment. I don’t like how the coaches treat the players. I saw several of them berating players. One was yelling at two girls sitting on the bench that had just come off the field for a game and was yelling at them telling them that they are terrible and will never play for him again if they don’t improve and brought one of them to tears. Another one of the coaches in a training session told the girls that if they not kick the ball right he would kill them. When I realized these were the coaches that would be teaching my DD as she got older - bye bye.

Winning is everything at FCV and they really don’t care about the players. They are very disorganized and field space is an issue as well. Perhaps word is getting out about them. I think everyone in the area is a bit surprised by the lack of interest in FCV at tryouts.

For a long time they were the only option for top soccer in the area. Now with other options for ECNL and DA there is no reason for us to ever play there again.

I agree. A lot of people are leaving because they are not happy and realize there are other high level clubs out there that offer their DD the same opportunities minus the toxic environment. As a result FCV is struggling to field more than one team at each age group this year. NO teams at all for the U9 and U10 age bracket. So now they are trying to recruit entire teams incl coaches to join the club. I don't think non DA clubs like Loudoun, VDA, BRYC or any of the other clubs around here have this issue.
Truth is FCV should have never been granted DA status. Like the above poster noted they are not organized, struggle to have field access and simply don't have a viable and big enough pipeline to support the older age groups.
I wouldn't be shocked to see them loose their status in the near future.

I think it's likely FCV got their DA status based on ECNL performance + they do have some girls with NT status. No doubt though, that's no golden ticket to ongoing DA status, and we will see how the younger age groups do as things move forward. I do know there were some FCV pick ups at Spirit from 01 down. Not any large movement yet, but any movement at all is interesting.

I’m curious to know if any of these FCV DA players in the older age groups chose WS over FCV DA for next season. I don’t believe any 03s or 04s did. Very little movement, if any between the two DAs in those age groups.

I doubt anyone would elect WS teams over FCV, McLean or Loudoun. The stats and records don’t lie, as the WS 03 & 04 teams are the worst in the country.

Talent of those two age groups at WS = a top NCSL team

The problem for both age groups wasn't that they didn't have talent. There are some highly talented 03s and 04s. The problem was that there were also some players who normally wouldn't make a DA or even ECNL team (and some maybe not a CCL team). So it's hard to be competitive when the talent is diluted with players that can't connect a simple pass and have no aerial control.

[Anonymous]

People...take a breath. This is over 250 pages about girls soccer. Even if your superstar gets recruited to play college soccer, you do realize over a third of these athletes quit. So, if you truly believe your stud muffin is going to go the distance, because soccer is her ENTIRE LIFE, then coaches will recognize that as well, and she will float to the top. Look at the college recruitment stats (like naviance for soccer) and follow the stardust. To coaches, it is a business...they want to show successful agency. If you are only about the end game, make it a business for your child as well. But for the majority of the girls playing, the 90plus percentage who get no money to play, and the many, many girls who eventually end up leaving the game, hindsight shows just go for the best fit for your girl...where does she just enjoy playing a game in that small window of time where it is, just about, playing a game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People...take a breath. This is over 250 pages about girls soccer. Even if your superstar gets recruited to play college soccer, you do realize over a third of these athletes quit. So, if you truly believe your stud muffin is going to go the distance, because soccer is her ENTIRE LIFE, then coaches will recognize that as well, and she will float to the top. Look at the college recruitment stats (like naviance for soccer) and follow the stardust. To coaches, it is a business...they want to show successful agency. If you are only about the end game, make it a business for your child as well. But for the majority of the girls playing, the 90plus percentage who get no money to play, and the many, many girls who eventually end up leaving the game, hindsight shows just go for the best fit for your girl...where does she just enjoy playing a game in that small window of time where it is, just about, playing a game.

You are not wrong. That being said, many of the parents come to boards like this because their boys and girls are soccer junkies, and they are trying to help their children pursue their dreams (though certainly not all).

[Anonymous]

"I doubt anyone would elect WS teams over FCV, McLean or Loudoun"

And yet....they did. Stay with what you know. You know what they say about assumptions right?

[Anonymous]

If you are about the end game then you better be about development.

Being on a winning team does not necessarily mean that your child is living up to their full potential.

Remember....parent politics ends when a college coach is secretly watching your child. There is nothing you can do then. Either she has it or she doesnt.

Development now. Shine later at u16 and u17.

And all you FCV nut riders....just remember...no recruiter cares about your child's u14 and u15 gotsoccer rankings or placements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are about the end game then you better be about development.

Being on a winning team does not necessarily mean that your child is living up to their full potential.

Remember....parent politics ends when a college coach is secretly watching your child. There is nothing you can do then. Either she has it or she doesnt.

Development now. Shine later at u16 and u17.

And all you FCV nut riders....just remember...no recruiter cares about your child's u14 and u15 gotsoccer rankings or placements.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"I doubt anyone would elect WS teams over FCV, McLean or Loudoun"

And yet....they did. Stay with what you know. You know what they say about assumptions right?

Are you saying that top team players from fcv, mclean, loudoun went to ws for this coming year? Which age groups?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Development”

#1 saying by clubs who are average to get kids to stay.

I doubt the WS 04 & 03 will be good at U18. Someone above stated these DDs couldn’t & didn’t make Loudoun or FCV teams. Sloppy seconds?

Again, judging a start up club based on two age groups after year one. The rubber hits the road with 05 and 06 age groups. FCV already had 04 and 03 talent with little incentive to leave. But as people are alluding to with tryout numbers there is little interest in FCV at the younger ages.