Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:You guys are hilarious. Did not disappoint with your delusions.

Yesterday it was Isreal or someone connected to Epstein or false flag.

Today it’s a maga (one that is antifa and thinks being Christian is spreading hate oh and likes to wear a Halloween costume joking Trump).

You guys are hilarious. Yesterday it was a radical trans. Today it's a gun-toting cis male from a conservative LDS family.

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Anonymous wrote:"Three unfired casings found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included left-wing slogans such as “Hey fascist! Catch!” engraved on the side along with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows."

But yeah, sure, he was a Republican.

He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying.

Hon. You have not been paying attention. That catchphrase and the arrows are Helldiver strat codes. Meaning...video games. Not antifa.

Take 30 seconds to catch up before spouting shite

Weak defense. He didn't go through the trouble of carving that because of video games. He called him a fascist because he believed it.

More worrying than the possibility of the shooter having an ideological disagreement with Kirk is the possibility that we’ve raised a subset of Gen Z kids who are so shallow and confused that they think random video game memes constitute reality. I’d much rather the kid have digested Marx and Hegel than that he thought he was cosplaying some FPS and maybe he’d get social media VREF from it.

This is what it comes down to. He didn’t have clear “left” or “right” ideology as older people and people who aren’t terminally online would recognize it. Basically his brain was so fried by low quality memes and content that he committed a targeted shooting. I think it will come out eventually that he was very far left and at that point, horseshoe theory does come into play. Don’t think of that type of far left as your old school hippie, anti-war, or progressive types. Some of them are closer to leftist anarchists and others advocate for very strong economically left authoritarian governments like the old USSR and communist Cuba.

It’s not a clean enough story for the republicans to latch onto… so poor Charlie is going to hit the dustbin.

Tbh the only thing keeping this going as long as it did was the fact that it took a few days to catch the killer. Now that they’ve caught him, meh! Onto the next thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it weird/disconcerting that his father turned in his own son? I couldn't imagine doing that to my own child.

His dad was law enforcement. He knew he’d be caught eventually. How bad would it look for the dad if he was knowingly harboring a murderer?

If my child killed someone, looking bad would be the least of my concerns.

Ok, poor choice of words. How illegal would it be if he was knowingly harboring a murderer?

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Anonymous wrote:"Three unfired casings found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included left-wing slogans such as “Hey fascist! Catch!” engraved on the side along with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows."

But yeah, sure, he was a Republican.

He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying.

Hon. You have not been paying attention. That catchphrase and the arrows are Helldiver strat codes. Meaning...video games. Not antifa.

Take 30 seconds to catch up before spouting shite

Weak defense. He didn't go through the trouble of carving that because of video games. He called him a fascist because he believed it.

More worrying than the possibility of the shooter having an ideological disagreement with Kirk is the possibility that we’ve raised a subset of Gen Z kids who are so shallow and confused that they think random video game memes constitute reality. I’d much rather the kid have digested Marx and Hegel than that he thought he was cosplaying some FPS and maybe he’d get social media VREF from it.

This is what it comes down to. He didn’t have clear “left” or “right” ideology as older people and people who aren’t terminally online would recognize it. Basically his brain was so fried by low quality memes and content that he committed a targeted shooting. I think it will come out eventually that he was very far left and at that point, horseshoe theory does come into play. Don’t think of that type of far left as your old school hippie, anti-war, or progressive types. Some of them are closer to leftist anarchists and others advocate for very strong economically left authoritarian governments like the old USSR and communist Cuba.

It’s not a clean enough story for the republicans to latch onto… so poor Charlie is going to hit the dustbin.

Tbh the only thing keeping this going as long as it did was the fact that it took a few days to catch the killer. Now that they’ve caught him, meh! Onto the next thing.

Only because the killer didn't fit the right wing narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:"Three unfired casings found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included left-wing slogans such as “Hey fascist! Catch!” engraved on the side along with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows."

But yeah, sure, he was a Republican.

He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying.

Hon. You have not been paying attention. That catchphrase and the arrows are Helldiver strat codes. Meaning...video games. Not antifa.

Take 30 seconds to catch up before spouting shite

Weak defense. He didn't go through the trouble of carving that because of video games. He called him a fascist because he believed it.

More worrying than the possibility of the shooter having an ideological disagreement with Kirk is the possibility that we’ve raised a subset of Gen Z kids who are so shallow and confused that they think random video game memes constitute reality. I’d much rather the kid have digested Marx and Hegel than that he thought he was cosplaying some FPS and maybe he’d get social media VREF from it.

This is what it comes down to. He didn’t have clear “left” or “right” ideology as older people and people who aren’t terminally online would recognize it. Basically his brain was so fried by low quality memes and content that he committed a targeted shooting. I think it will come out eventually that he was very far left and at that point, horseshoe theory does come into play. Don’t think of that type of far left as your old school hippie, anti-war, or progressive types. Some of them are closer to leftist anarchists and others advocate for very strong economically left authoritarian governments like the old USSR and communist Cuba.

lol, still trying to make it partisan.

Trump is an extreme protectionist and took government ownership in Intel. Those are "leftist" things.

This dude went down the right wing internet rabbit hole and overdosed on red pills and memes. There's nothing intellectual or philosophical about any of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it weird/disconcerting that his father turned in his own son? I couldn't imagine doing that to my own child.

His dad was law enforcement. He knew he’d be caught eventually. How bad would it look for the dad if he was knowingly harboring a murderer?

Also typically when these young men are caught, they do not come in alive. If you care about your kid living at all, you turn them in in a way that doesn’t get them shot.

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Anonymous wrote:"Three unfired casings found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included left-wing slogans such as “Hey fascist! Catch!” engraved on the side along with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows."

But yeah, sure, he was a Republican.

He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying.

These are all video game references, moron.

And do you think he killed CK because he wanted to make a statement about video game references? Or is it possible that he curated the references along a theme? Just spit-balling here but I think there might be a theme. And it's decidedly not a MAGA theme.

The problem right here is that so many of us don't understand this world that these young men are living in online. I can't say you're ignorance is astounding because I don't blame you for not knowing. But I do blame you for is actively not trying to learn and listen. Digging in is so so bad

You don't think any of those things but wanted a passive-aggressive way to avoid responding. I do agree, however, that digging in is so so bad. Just because young men are steeped in the internet doesn't mean that the things they say mean nothing. That's like saying the only thing my words have in common is that they are spoken in English. Just because he speaks Internet doesn't mean he isn't saying something in Internetese. Why is it so hard to accept that he was spouting a series of anti-fascist sentiments, and that this suggests a motive?

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it weird/disconcerting that his father turned in his own son? I couldn't imagine doing that to my own child.

Uh, if you knew your child was a murderer you wouldn't turn them in?

I would be heartbroken but I would turn my kid in, or rather, as I think this parent did, help my child turn themselves in...

A) I wouldn't want them to commit any more murders -- look at Joran Van der Sloot's parents—all they did was enable him to commit more hateful acts and have a more depraved life. They didn't save him from anything!

B) Turn him in, get him a lawyer and support him, no matter the outcome. He'll get due process and be treated fairly (though in Trump's justice system who knows, but if he has a good enough lawyer, presumably you still can) and he'll have a chance to take responsiblity, seek forgiveness or be rehabilitated.

C) a murderer is a murderer, whether they are your child or not. Love them unconditionally, but do not allow them to sin.

NP. It would depend on the circumstances. If I was seriously concerned they would harm more people in the future, then yes. If not, I would not turn my child in.

If your kid could do what this kid did, you should probably be afraid of them yourself.

Also, if it's not some kind of high-profile insane political assassination, helping themselves turn themselves in, getting them a good legal team is probably the quickest easiest way out of it... a well negotiated plea deal, depending on the circumstances of the crime, would probably allow them a fairly easy existence in prison (especially if you remained supportive) and a not terribly long sentence.

Also, what's the alternative? It's only a matter of time before people found out who did it, and then what? What are you going to do to protect them? And in this case there's going to be mobs of weirdos coming after them and they'll probably hold YOU responsible as well. The kid should want to turn themselves in to protect you and the other family members!

I disagree with basically everything you said.

People who turn themselves in don't get better sentences. Tyler Robinson is still going to get the death penalty. And the conditions you face in prison have very little to do with your plea agreement. Judges don't typically pick the facility you'll serve your sentence in. The idea that you can plea bargain for a better prison is TV stuff, not real life.

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This is wild

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Three unfired casings found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included left-wing slogans such as “Hey fascist! Catch!” engraved on the side along with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows."

But yeah, sure, he was a Republican.

He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying.

Hon. You have not been paying attention. That catchphrase and the arrows are Helldiver strat codes. Meaning...video games. Not antifa.

Take 30 seconds to catch up before spouting shite

Weak defense. He didn't go through the trouble of carving that because of video games. He called him a fascist because he believed it.

More worrying than the possibility of the shooter having an ideological disagreement with Kirk is the possibility that we’ve raised a subset of Gen Z kids who are so shallow and confused that they think random video game memes constitute reality. I’d much rather the kid have digested Marx and Hegel than that he thought he was cosplaying some FPS and maybe he’d get social media VREF from it.

This is what it comes down to. He didn’t have clear “left” or “right” ideology as older people and people who aren’t terminally online would recognize it. Basically his brain was so fried by low quality memes and content that he committed a targeted shooting. I think it will come out eventually that he was very far left and at that point, horseshoe theory does come into play. Don’t think of that type of far left as your old school hippie, anti-war, or progressive types. Some of them are closer to leftist anarchists and others advocate for very strong economically left authoritarian governments like the old USSR and communist Cuba.

He was a right wing nut job. Please accept the facts as they are and stop twisting the narrative to make it seem he was some far left guy. Just admit it. The fault is mostly with your party and the nut jobs it has but since you all are obsessed with the 2nd Amendment, you have to pay the repercussions for what it’s like to have easy access to guns!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't it weird/disconcerting that his father turned in his own son? I couldn't imagine doing that to my own child.

His dad was law enforcement. He knew he’d be caught eventually. How bad would it look for the dad if he was knowingly harboring a murderer?

If my child killed someone, looking bad would be the least of my concerns.

Ok, poor choice of words. How illegal would it be if he was knowingly harboring a murderer?

It isn't unlawful to know that someone has committed a crime and not turn them in. It isn't unlawful to let someone live in your house knowing they committed a crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it weird/disconcerting that his father turned in his own son? I couldn't imagine doing that to my own child.

Me either, but, according to pps, that makes us bad parents.

I don't think you're a bad parent, I just wonder what the hell is going on... if your kid is a murderer there's nothing you can do but help them face the consequences, seek forgiveness and try for rehabilitation.

On the most practical level, they're safer in the justice system, going through the process with a good lawyer than they are on the outside facing vigilante justice or, like Joran Van der Sloot becoming a magnet for grifters and weirdos.

Any attempt to explain it makes me seem immoral, although it doesn't feel wrong to protect my child in that way. I'm pretty sure neither of us will be in that position, thankfully.

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Anonymous wrote:For those questioning all the media coverage, it’s the first time an American has been publicly assassinated in the US for their political beliefs SINCE 1968. It’s a big deal.

Uh you’re forgetting the two legislators in MN.

That was not a public assassination. It took place in a private home.

What difference does THAT make?

Public assassinations tend to have a greater impact than private ones.

Public assassinations occur in front of witnesses or are captured by media, which amplifies the shock. The public setting turns the act into a spectacle, symbolizing a direct attack on shared values or leadership, which resonates widely and instantly. Private killings lack this immediate, communal exposure.

A public killing violates the sense of safety in shared spaces, making it feel like an attack on the public itself. Private assassinations feel more isolated, limiting the visceral sense of collective threat.

Hence the media coverage and why many are feeling this event deeply. It’s the first political assassination the public has witnessed in the US since 1968.

While, I abhor Kirk’s “ideology” I agree that this is a different category than gun violence. It was an assassination. But what happens if it turns out that his killer is a right wing white Christian nationalist? How does that change the narrative?

Oh, I put ideology and “” because anyone who followed Kirk knows he didn’t have an ideology. He was a Shapeshifter and a grifter.

He was a false prophet. Plain and simple. I'm amazed by how many people who call themselves Christian seem to forget their Sunday school lessons. The last time I was in church was probably Sunday school, circa 1980s, and I was only there for the cookies and the lollipop... but even I remember the wolf in sheep's clothing and how important it is to not worship a false idol. And that the sin for doing so is grave. But Lordy have mercy if these people can't catch a clue. They just keep falling for the same old nonsense every single time. They love themselves a good false prophet.

Gonna leave this right here in case anyone needs a refresher.

“I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they have prophesied” (Jeremiah 23:21)

“This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD’” (Jeremiah 23:16; see also 14:14)

“Her leaders judge for a bribe, her priests teach for a price, and her prophets tell fortunes for money. Yet they look for the LORD’s support and say, ‘Is not the LORD among us? No disaster will come upon us’” (Micah 3:11; see also Nehemiah 6:12–13; Jeremiah 6:13–14; Ezekiel 13:19; 2 Peter 2:1–3).

Also, now I'm thoroughly confused. If the shooter was a Republican Trumper, and Trump and the victim were buddy, buddies, then why did the shooter kill Trump's buddy, which makes them all Trumpers. I thought they were on the same side. Don't tell me the Leopards are starting to eat each other's faces.

I'm throwing my hands up. I just can't keep up with this circus of monkeys any longer. "Not my monkeys not my circus!"

[Anonymous]

Welp, his dad turned the shooter in, and guess what? Not a liberal.

Was raised to be a Utah conservative. Theory is now that he went more conservative than Kirk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it weird/disconcerting that his father turned in his own son? I couldn't imagine doing that to my own child.

Uh, if you knew your child was a murderer you wouldn't turn them in?

I would be heartbroken but I would turn my kid in, or rather, as I think this parent did, help my child turn themselves in...

A) I wouldn't want them to commit any more murders -- look at Joran Van der Sloot's parents—all they did was enable him to commit more hateful acts and have a more depraved life. They didn't save him from anything!

B) Turn him in, get him a lawyer and support him, no matter the outcome. He'll get due process and be treated fairly (though in Trump's justice system who knows, but if he has a good enough lawyer, presumably you still can) and he'll have a chance to take responsiblity, seek forgiveness or be rehabilitated.

C) a murderer is a murderer, whether they are your child or not. Love them unconditionally, but do not allow them to sin.

NP. It would depend on the circumstances. If I was seriously concerned they would harm more people in the future, then yes. If not, I would not turn my child in.

If your kid could do what this kid did, you should probably be afraid of them yourself.

Also, if it's not some kind of high-profile insane political assassination, helping themselves turn themselves in, getting them a good legal team is probably the quickest easiest way out of it... a well negotiated plea deal, depending on the circumstances of the crime, would probably allow them a fairly easy existence in prison (especially if you remained supportive) and a not terribly long sentence.

Also, what's the alternative? It's only a matter of time before people found out who did it, and then what? What are you going to do to protect them? And in this case there's going to be mobs of weirdos coming after them and they'll probably hold YOU responsible as well. The kid should want to turn themselves in to protect you and the other family members!

I disagree with basically everything you said.

People who turn themselves in don't get better sentences. Tyler Robinson is still going to get the death penalty. And the conditions you face in prison have very little to do with your plea agreement. Judges don't typically pick the facility you'll serve your sentence in. The idea that you can plea bargain for a better prison is TV stuff, not real life.

They have to face justice at some point... what's the alternative?

And you absolutely can design a plea bargain to include recommendations for where you serve your sentence, and if you can't, then a good lawyer (hired by you, for your child) can help have them moved somewhere. This case would be tough, because of the publicity and the type of people who are trying to make political hay out of Kirk's death, but he probably could plea his way out of the death penalty. Look at that guy in Idaho who killed those college kids.