Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Three unfired casings found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included left-wing slogans such as “Hey fascist! Catch!” engraved on the side along with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows."

But yeah, sure, he was a Republican.

He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying.

Hon. You have not been paying attention. That catchphrase and the arrows are Helldiver strat codes. Meaning...video games. Not antifa.

Take 30 seconds to catch up before spouting shite

Weak defense. He didn't go through the trouble of carving that because of video games. He called him a fascist because he believed it.

More worrying than the possibility of the shooter having an ideological disagreement with Kirk is the possibility that we’ve raised a subset of Gen Z kids who are so shallow and confused that they think random video game memes constitute reality. I’d much rather the kid have digested Marx and Hegel than that he thought he was cosplaying some FPS and maybe he’d get social media VREF from it.

This is what it comes down to. He didn’t have clear “left” or “right” ideology as older people and people who aren’t terminally online would recognize it. Basically his brain was so fried by low quality memes and content that he committed a targeted shooting. I think it will come out eventually that he was very far left and at that point, horseshoe theory does come into play. Don’t think of that type of far left as your old school hippie, anti-war, or progressive types. Some of them are closer to leftist anarchists and others advocate for very strong economically left authoritarian governments like the old USSR and communist Cuba.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it weird/disconcerting that his father turned in his own son? I couldn't imagine doing that to my own child.

Me either, but, according to pps, that makes us bad parents.

I don't think you're a bad parent, I just wonder what the hell is going on... if your kid is a murderer there's nothing you can do but help them face the consequences, seek forgiveness and try for rehabilitation.

On the most practical level, they're safer in the justice system, going through the process with a good lawyer than they are on the outside facing vigilante justice or, like Joran Van der Sloot becoming a magnet for grifters and weirdos.

[Anonymous]

Lol

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Anonymous wrote:Since the shooter’s background is becoming clear poor Charlie will rapidly become yesterday’s old news.

I called this on the third or fourth page of this thread!

[Anonymous]

His dad did the right thing. I can’t imagine the hell his family is facing right now but it’s not as bad as what Charlie’s wife and kids are going through.

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His Dad isn't just Maga, there's a picture of him in a 3 percentage shirt online.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Percenters

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Three unfired casings found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included left-wing slogans such as “Hey fascist! Catch!” engraved on the side along with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows."

But yeah, sure, he was a Republican.

He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying.

These are all video game references, moron.

And do you think he killed CK because he wanted to make a statement about video game references? Or is it possible that he curated the references along a theme? Just spit-balling here but I think there might be a theme. And it's decidedly not a MAGA theme.

The problem right here is that so many of us don't understand this world that these young men are living in online. I can't say your ignorance is astounding because I don't blame you for not knowing. But I do blame you for is actively not trying to learn and listen. Digging in is so so bad

The smarter MAGAs are quietly slinking away at this point. We're left with the ones who are...not so smart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Three unfired casings found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included left-wing slogans such as “Hey fascist! Catch!” engraved on the side along with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows."

But yeah, sure, he was a Republican.

He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying.

Hon. You have not been paying attention. That catchphrase and the arrows are Helldiver strat codes. Meaning...video games. Not antifa.

Take 30 seconds to catch up before spouting shite

Weak defense. He didn't go through the trouble of carving that because of video games. He called him a fascist because he believed it.

More worrying than the possibility of the shooter having an ideological disagreement with Kirk is the possibility that we’ve raised a subset of Gen Z kids who are so shallow and confused that they think random video game memes constitute reality. I’d much rather the kid have digested Marx and Hegel than that he thought he was cosplaying some FPS and maybe he’d get social media VREF from it.

This is what it comes down to. He didn’t have clear “left” or “right” ideology as older people and people who aren’t terminally online would recognize it. Basically his brain was so fried by low quality memes and content that he committed a targeted shooting. I think it will come out eventually that he was very far left and at that point, horseshoe theory does come into play. Don’t think of that type of far left as your old school hippie, anti-war, or progressive types. Some of them are closer to leftist anarchists and others advocate for very strong economically left authoritarian governments like the old USSR and communist Cuba.

Yup

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't it weird/disconcerting that his father turned in his own son? I couldn't imagine doing that to my own child.

His dad was law enforcement. He knew he’d be caught eventually. How bad would it look for the dad if he was knowingly harboring a murderer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So do the bread crumbs lead to Fuentes and his groyper army views?

These Groypers think so

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Three unfired casings found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included left-wing slogans such as “Hey fascist! Catch!” engraved on the side along with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows."

But yeah, sure, he was a Republican.

He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying.

These are all video game references, moron.

And do you think he killed CK because he wanted to make a statement about video game references? Or is it possible that he curated the references along a theme? Just spit-balling here but I think there might be a theme. And it's decidedly not a MAGA theme.

The problem right here is that so many of us don't understand this world that these young men are living in online. I can't say you're ignorance is astounding because I don't blame you for not knowing. But I do blame you for is actively not trying to learn and listen. Digging in is so so bad

+1 The teens internet world is not our internet world. The Colorado and the Georgia shooter from last year were following mass shooter fan accounts. Some kids are on the computer so much that their reality is not our reality, and talk and behave in a way that is different than to when they aren’t online. It is very serious stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Three unfired casings found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included left-wing slogans such as “Hey fascist! Catch!” engraved on the side along with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows."

But yeah, sure, he was a Republican.

He was a left wing nut job and it will all come out. Just stop lying.

Hon. You have not been paying attention. That catchphrase and the arrows are Helldiver strat codes. Meaning...video games. Not antifa.

Take 30 seconds to catch up before spouting shite

Weak defense. He didn't go through the trouble of carving that because of video games. He called him a fascist because he believed it.

More worrying than the possibility of the shooter having an ideological disagreement with Kirk is the possibility that we’ve raised a subset of Gen Z kids who are so shallow and confused that they think random video game memes constitute reality. I’d much rather the kid have digested Marx and Hegel than that he thought he was cosplaying some FPS and maybe he’d get social media VREF from it.

This is what it comes down to. He didn’t have clear “left” or “right” ideology as older people and people who aren’t terminally online would recognize it. Basically his brain was so fried by low quality memes and content that he committed a targeted shooting. I think it will come out eventually that he was very far left and at that point, horseshoe theory does come into play. Don’t think of that type of far left as your old school hippie, anti-war, or progressive types. Some of them are closer to leftist anarchists and others advocate for very strong economically left authoritarian governments like the old USSR and communist Cuba.

It’s not a clean enough story for the republicans to latch onto… so poor Charlie is going to hit the dustbin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't it weird/disconcerting that his father turned in his own son? I couldn't imagine doing that to my own child.

His dad was law enforcement. He knew he’d be caught eventually. How bad would it look for the dad if he was knowingly harboring a murderer?

If my child killed someone, looking bad would be the least of my concerns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't it weird/disconcerting that his father turned in his own son? I couldn't imagine doing that to my own child.

Uh, if you knew your child was a murderer you wouldn't turn them in?

I would be heartbroken but I would turn my kid in, or rather, as I think this parent did, help my child turn themselves in...

A) I wouldn't want them to commit any more murders -- look at Joran Van der Sloot's parents—all they did was enable him to commit more hateful acts and have a more depraved life. They didn't save him from anything!

B) Turn him in, get him a lawyer and support him, no matter the outcome. He'll get due process and be treated fairly (though in Trump's justice system who knows, but if he has a good enough lawyer, presumably you still can) and he'll have a chance to take responsiblity, seek forgiveness or be rehabilitated.

C) a murderer is a murderer, whether they are your child or not. Love them unconditionally, but do not allow them to sin.

NP. It would depend on the circumstances. If I was seriously concerned they would harm more people in the future, then yes. If not, I would not turn my child in.

If your kid could do what this kid did, you should probably be afraid of them yourself.

Also, if it's not some kind of high-profile insane political assassination, helping themselves turn themselves in, getting them a good legal team is probably the quickest easiest way out of it... a well negotiated plea deal, depending on the circumstances of the crime, would probably allow them a fairly easy existence in prison (especially if you remained supportive) and a not terribly long sentence.

Also, what's the alternative? It's only a matter of time before people found out who did it, and then what? What are you going to do to protect them? And in this case there's going to be mobs of weirdos coming after them and they'll probably hold YOU responsible as well. The kid should want to turn themselves in to protect you and the other family members!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a helpful explainer for the slow ones on here:

One positive is that it is exposing the deep internet world that our children are exposed to.

Ok, I am admitting I have no idea what that cartoon is about.

Neither do I.

Me either. Had to ask my teenager. It’s a reference to incels. It has zero political meaning.

Incels are associated with a particular political persuasion and it’s not anywhere near the left.

Right. But the meme itself is not political to GenZ. You cannot tell if someone is making a criticism of incels or personally struggling with identity.