UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

[Anonymous]

People have doppelgangers. It's entirely reasonable to look at the NYC pictures and think that looks like someone I know, but from the context of the situation thinking it was not them.

Zoe Saldana mistakes her own daughter for Thandie Newton.
https://people.com/movies/zoe-saldana-mom-confuses-her-with-thandie-newton/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mangione is no better than the Unabomber or the Columbine killers. An oversized sense of moral superiority, leading to vigilantism.

The Unabomber and Columbine killers were killing people willy-nilly. Mangione was very targeted in only going after someone who is directly guilty for ruining the lives of thousands.

I don't think you know as much about the Unabomber as you think you do.

+1. The Unabomber targeted certain people based on his clearly defined beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:The young ones are also taking no crap from Josh Shapiro about this. They are very upset with him and also treating this situation as "unserious" as they say. It is interesting how the 'support' for Mangione doesn't seem based in political ideology, but rather social/power strata differences.

https://www.tiktok.com/@spacepinata/video/7446908246150974763?lang=en

https://www.tiktok.com/@dulcedeletii/video/7446569595961412906

Yeah. Mangione was a member of the underclass. /s

But even the wealthy get f***ed by insurance companies. We have a HHI but had a huge problem with an insurance company. I completely understand Mangione’s rage. I have felt it (still do from time to time) but obviously I didn’t go shoot the CEO of Aetna. I was literally running the cost of suing Aetna against the cost of paying for a procedure out of pocket. Suing a large insurance company is super expensive because they have a team of lawyers whereas I would probably be penniless from hiring one lawyer to sue. I don’t think most people understand how expensive a lawsuit is and how draining emotionally and financially it would be. You may win coverage but you will spend everything in lawyer fees.

But that doesn’t sound like what even happened to him. He wanted a particular spinal surgery and the doctor refused to do it. Seems like it wasn’t indicated, wouldn’t help, risk didn’t out weigh the benefits, etc. It wasn’t even a matter of insurance. But this stuff happens ALL the time. People think they need a lot of things that they really don’t. And him being as “smart” of course thinks he knows better than the doctors and it’s all a conspiracy

His manifesto does not say this. He talked about his mom’s and his treatment being denied by UHC.

Someone found his Reddit posts about wanting the spine surgery and the doctor wouldn’t do it. His mom had the money to pay for whatever treatment she needed, insurance or not- I cannot imagine she went without anything she deemed she needed. No way UHC forced limits to her care she couldn’t have over ridden herself and payed for

You really do not know what she could or could not afford. You have zero idea about their life. It’s pretty clear she was going through a lot of health problems from his manifesto. He had back surgery and his sister is a doctor.

[Anonymous]

Vigiliantism is un-American.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People have doppelgangers. It's entirely reasonable to look at the NYC pictures and think that looks like someone I know, but from the context of the situation thinking it was not them.

Zoe Saldana mistakes her own daughter for Thandie Newton.
https://people.com/movies/zoe-saldana-mom-confuses-her-with-thandie-newton/

That’s not what your article says and it’s also totally irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think his mother knew it was him? I mean, she probably couldn’t quite bring herself to believe it, but a little nagging feeling ?

Of course she knew. Any mother can recognize their kid, from the back in a hoodie and all. We just can.

I’ve mistaken another high school kid in a similar hoodie for DS more than once.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The young ones are also taking no crap from Josh Shapiro about this. They are very upset with him and also treating this situation as "unserious" as they say. It is interesting how the 'support' for Mangione doesn't seem based in political ideology, but rather social/power strata differences.

https://www.tiktok.com/@spacepinata/video/7446908246150974763?lang=en

https://www.tiktok.com/@dulcedeletii/video/7446569595961412906

Yeah. Mangione was a member of the underclass. /s

Many people who become idealized figures supposedly for the working class start out as far wealthier. It’s not an uncommon arc, see Che Guevara as another example.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The young ones are also taking no crap from Josh Shapiro about this. They are very upset with him and also treating this situation as "unserious" as they say. It is interesting how the 'support' for Mangione doesn't seem based in political ideology, but rather social/power strata differences.

https://www.tiktok.com/@spacepinata/video/7446908246150974763?lang=en

https://www.tiktok.com/@dulcedeletii/video/7446569595961412906

Yeah. Mangione was a member of the underclass. /s

But even the wealthy get f***ed by insurance companies. We have a HHI but had a huge problem with an insurance company. I completely understand Mangione’s rage. I have felt it (still do from time to time) but obviously I didn’t go shoot the CEO of Aetna. I was literally running the cost of suing Aetna against the cost of paying for a procedure out of pocket. Suing a large insurance company is super expensive because they have a team of lawyers whereas I would probably be penniless from hiring one lawyer to sue. I don’t think most people understand how expensive a lawsuit is and how draining emotionally and financially it would be. You may win coverage but you will spend everything in lawyer fees.

But that doesn’t sound like what even happened to him. He wanted a particular spinal surgery and the doctor refused to do it. Seems like it wasn’t indicated, wouldn’t help, risk didn’t out weigh the benefits, etc. It wasn’t even a matter of insurance. But this stuff happens ALL the time. People think they need a lot of things that they really don’t. And him being as “smart” of course thinks he knows better than the doctors and it’s all a conspiracy

His manifesto does not say this. He talked about his mom’s and his treatment being denied by UHC.

Someone found his Reddit posts about wanting the spine surgery and the doctor wouldn’t do it. His mom had the money to pay for whatever treatment she needed, insurance or not- I cannot imagine she went without anything she deemed she needed. No way UHC forced limits to her care she couldn’t have over ridden herself and payed for

You really do not know what she could or could not afford. You have zero idea about their life. It’s pretty clear she was going through a lot of health problems from his manifesto. He had back surgery and his sister is a doctor.

They own MULTIPLE country clubs and assisted living facilities plus had the finances for cover expensive private school and Ivy college for perhaps multiple kids. I’m sure they could scrounge up some money for her meds and treatment. They were not limited to what UHC would provide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mangione is no better than the Unabomber or the Columbine killers. An oversized sense of moral superiority, leading to vigilantism.

This

[Anonymous]

My theory is there is a whole lot of untreated mental illness in the pretty package of a wealthy and attractive family. I would not be surprised if he showed signs of significant mental illness prior. Yes, it's hard to find the right help, but extreme wealth helps. mom could afford to go out of pocket for her health issues and his surgery. There were definitely issues there if they or the father or whoever wasn't willing to just throw some of their own money at this and even sue later rather than delay treatment. Instead this got dragged out and you have an unstable ticking time bomb hearing mom can't get treatment yet and wondering about the cost of his surgery. Money is a buffer. Use it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The young ones are also taking no crap from Josh Shapiro about this. They are very upset with him and also treating this situation as "unserious" as they say. It is interesting how the 'support' for Mangione doesn't seem based in political ideology, but rather social/power strata differences.

https://www.tiktok.com/@spacepinata/video/7446908246150974763?lang=en

https://www.tiktok.com/@dulcedeletii/video/7446569595961412906

Yeah. Mangione was a member of the underclass. /s

But even the wealthy get f***ed by insurance companies. We have a HHI but had a huge problem with an insurance company. I completely understand Mangione’s rage. I have felt it (still do from time to time) but obviously I didn’t go shoot the CEO of Aetna. I was literally running the cost of suing Aetna against the cost of paying for a procedure out of pocket. Suing a large insurance company is super expensive because they have a team of lawyers whereas I would probably be penniless from hiring one lawyer to sue. I don’t think most people understand how expensive a lawsuit is and how draining emotionally and financially it would be. You may win coverage but you will spend everything in lawyer fees.

But that doesn’t sound like what even happened to him. He wanted a particular spinal surgery and the doctor refused to do it. Seems like it wasn’t indicated, wouldn’t help, risk didn’t out weigh the benefits, etc. It wasn’t even a matter of insurance. But this stuff happens ALL the time. People think they need a lot of things that they really don’t. And him being as “smart” of course thinks he knows better than the doctors and it’s all a conspiracy

His manifesto does not say this. He talked about his mom’s and his treatment being denied by UHC.

Someone found his Reddit posts about wanting the spine surgery and the doctor wouldn’t do it. His mom had the money to pay for whatever treatment she needed, insurance or not- I cannot imagine she went without anything she deemed she needed. No way UHC forced limits to her care she couldn’t have over ridden herself and payed for

You really do not know what she could or could not afford. You have zero idea about their life. It’s pretty clear she was going through a lot of health problems from his manifesto. He had back surgery and his sister is a doctor.

They own MULTIPLE country clubs and assisted living facilities plus had the finances for cover expensive private school and Ivy college for perhaps multiple kids. I’m sure they could scrounge up some money for her meds and treatment. They were not limited to what UHC would provide.

Plus they donated millions and had their name thrown on things in return. Those kind of donations probably offset their earnings so much they barely paid taxes. PLENTY of money to get top notch healthcare. Pay for you luxury care, sue if you want after and ADVOCATE for the poor and middleclass. Use your money to push for change in a legal way if you care so much about the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My theory is there is a whole lot of untreated mental illness in the pretty package of a wealthy and attractive family. I would not be surprised if he showed signs of significant mental illness prior. Yes, it's hard to find the right help, but extreme wealth helps. mom could afford to go out of pocket for her health issues and his surgery. There were definitely issues there if they or the father or whoever wasn't willing to just throw some of their own money at this and even sue later rather than delay treatment. Instead this got dragged out and you have an unstable ticking time bomb hearing mom can't get treatment yet and wondering about the cost of his surgery. Money is a buffer. Use it.

I really don’t think this was a money issue. They could have afforded any treatment out of pocket. My theory is someone had an undesirable outcome from surgery/treatments and then the blame game started. Medicine and surgery can’t fix everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The young ones are also taking no crap from Josh Shapiro about this. They are very upset with him and also treating this situation as "unserious" as they say. It is interesting how the 'support' for Mangione doesn't seem based in political ideology, but rather social/power strata differences.

https://www.tiktok.com/@spacepinata/video/7446908246150974763?lang=en

https://www.tiktok.com/@dulcedeletii/video/7446569595961412906

Yeah. Mangione was a member of the underclass. /s

Many people who become idealized figures supposedly for the working class start out as far wealthier. It’s not an uncommon arc, see Che Guevara as another example.

Poor little Luigi, someone told him "No."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The young ones are also taking no crap from Josh Shapiro about this. They are very upset with him and also treating this situation as "unserious" as they say. It is interesting how the 'support' for Mangione doesn't seem based in political ideology, but rather social/power strata differences.

https://www.tiktok.com/@spacepinata/video/7446908246150974763?lang=en

https://www.tiktok.com/@dulcedeletii/video/7446569595961412906

Yeah. Mangione was a member of the underclass. /s

Many people who become idealized figures supposedly for the working class start out as far wealthier. It’s not an uncommon arc, see Che Guevara as another example.

Even Buddha.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mangione is no better than the Unabomber or the Columbine killers. An oversized sense of moral superiority, leading to vigilantism.

The Unabomber and Columbine killers were killing people willy-nilly. Mangione was very targeted in only going after someone who is directly guilty for ruining the lives of thousands.

I don't think you know as much about the Unabomber as you think you do.

+1. The Unabomber targeted certain people based on his clearly defined beliefs.

Yes but he ended up killing or maiming random secretaries and the owner of a local computer repair shop so hardly an iron clad plan to bring down the techno state or whatever.