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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for the boys side, but the lowest teams on the girls side are usually painfully weak. Rec level or worse b/c rec teams usually have at least a few talented athletes. So Valor gives them terrible coaches. If they get someone halfway decent, its a Valor miracle.

Maybe it's the players and not the coaches. Chicken salad made from chicken crap is still made of crap.

Yeah, but I'm talking really basic coaching expectations, like showing up on time, or showing up at all, not being crazy, etc.

Valor should seriously look at cutting the 3rd team program all together. Bad coaches, bad players... nothing more than a fundraiser

Their 3rd-5th teams are their moneymakers. They play in cheaper leagues, cheaper and fewer tournaments, have cheaper inexperienced coaches, but everyone pays the same fees. Basically their worse teams subsidize their first teams.

Insane how these entitled parents are okay with their kids being nothing more than monetary support for kids with actual talent.

if a kid wants to start playing soccer but more competitive than rec leagues. They get placed in 3rd or lower team. The parent agrees. This makes the parents "entitled" for agreeing to pay and give their child a starting point?

Entitled in general, not specifically in the soccer realm. This is NOVA, remember? Everyone's kid is better and deserves more than everyone else's.

Just funny how many people complain about the quality of coaches on 3-5 teams, when they players are terrible as well. As we both know, it's nothing more than a fundraiser for the kids with actual talent. Just hard to believe NOVA parents are okay with that, but then again, they all believe their kid is going to go from 5 to 1 and play for the USNT one day.

There is plenty to complain about regarding the coaches of certain first and second teams as well. No one wants to out themselves, so they aren't going to necessarily identify team/age group/coach.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for the boys side, but the lowest teams on the girls side are usually painfully weak. Rec level or worse b/c rec teams usually have at least a few talented athletes. So Valor gives them terrible coaches. If they get someone halfway decent, its a Valor miracle.

Maybe it's the players and not the coaches. Chicken salad made from chicken crap is still made of crap.

Yeah, but I'm talking really basic coaching expectations, like showing up on time, or showing up at all, not being crazy, etc.

Valor should seriously look at cutting the 3rd team program all together. Bad coaches, bad players... nothing more than a fundraiser

Their 3rd-5th teams are their moneymakers. They play in cheaper leagues, cheaper and fewer tournaments, have cheaper inexperienced coaches, but everyone pays the same fees. Basically their worse teams subsidize their first teams.

Insane how these entitled parents are okay with their kids being nothing more than monetary support for kids with actual talent.

if a kid wants to start playing soccer but more competitive than rec leagues. They get placed in 3rd or lower team. The parent agrees. This makes the parents "entitled" for agreeing to pay and give their child a starting point?

Entitled in general, not specifically in the soccer realm. This is NOVA, remember? Everyone's kid is better and deserves more than everyone else's.

Just funny how many people complain about the quality of coaches on 3-5 teams, when they players are terrible as well. As we both know, it's nothing more than a fundraiser for the kids with actual talent. Just hard to believe NOVA parents are okay with that, but then again, they all believe their kid is going to go from 5 to 1 and play for the USNT one day.

There is plenty to complain about regarding the coaches of certain first and second teams as well. No one wants to out themselves, so they aren't going to necessarily identify team/age group/coach.

Anyone who feels 3rd or lower teams should not exist are the ones who feel “entitled” that only higher level teams should exist. Some kids just want to play travel soccer even if they aren’t that good. Why are you so sold on this? You think denying kids a starting point or an opportunity to play , even at the lower levels, is how things should be? If so, you are the one with entitlement issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for the boys side, but the lowest teams on the girls side are usually painfully weak. Rec level or worse b/c rec teams usually have at least a few talented athletes. So Valor gives them terrible coaches. If they get someone halfway decent, its a Valor miracle.

Maybe it's the players and not the coaches. Chicken salad made from chicken crap is still made of crap.

Yeah, but I'm talking really basic coaching expectations, like showing up on time, or showing up at all, not being crazy, etc.

Valor should seriously look at cutting the 3rd team program all together. Bad coaches, bad players... nothing more than a fundraiser

Their 3rd-5th teams are their moneymakers. They play in cheaper leagues, cheaper and fewer tournaments, have cheaper inexperienced coaches, but everyone pays the same fees. Basically their worse teams subsidize their first teams.

Insane how these entitled parents are okay with their kids being nothing more than monetary support for kids with actual talent.

if a kid wants to start playing soccer but more competitive than rec leagues. They get placed in 3rd or lower team. The parent agrees. This makes the parents "entitled" for agreeing to pay and give their child a starting point?

Entitled in general, not specifically in the soccer realm. This is NOVA, remember? Everyone's kid is better and deserves more than everyone else's.

Just funny how many people complain about the quality of coaches on 3-5 teams, when they players are terrible as well. As we both know, it's nothing more than a fundraiser for the kids with actual talent. Just hard to believe NOVA parents are okay with that, but then again, they all believe their kid is going to go from 5 to 1 and play for the USNT one day.

There is plenty to complain about regarding the coaches of certain first and second teams as well. No one wants to out themselves, so they aren't going to necessarily identify team/age group/coach.

Anyone who feels 3rd or lower teams should not exist are the ones who feel “entitled” that only higher level teams should exist. Some kids just want to play travel soccer even if they aren’t that good. Why are you so sold on this? You think denying kids a starting point or an opportunity to play , even at the lower levels, is how things should be? If so, you are the one with entitlement issues.

Not saying that at all. Maybe that last poster was. I was just pointing out that it would be a false assumption to think that anyone with complaints is from a third team or lower.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for the boys side, but the lowest teams on the girls side are usually painfully weak. Rec level or worse b/c rec teams usually have at least a few talented athletes. So Valor gives them terrible coaches. If they get someone halfway decent, its a Valor miracle.

Maybe it's the players and not the coaches. Chicken salad made from chicken crap is still made of crap.

Yeah, but I'm talking really basic coaching expectations, like showing up on time, or showing up at all, not being crazy, etc.

Valor should seriously look at cutting the 3rd team program all together. Bad coaches, bad players... nothing more than a fundraiser

Their 3rd-5th teams are their moneymakers. They play in cheaper leagues, cheaper and fewer tournaments, have cheaper inexperienced coaches, but everyone pays the same fees. Basically their worse teams subsidize their first teams.

Insane how these entitled parents are okay with their kids being nothing more than monetary support for kids with actual talent.

if a kid wants to start playing soccer but more competitive than rec leagues. They get placed in 3rd or lower team. The parent agrees. This makes the parents "entitled" for agreeing to pay and give their child a starting point?

Entitled in general, not specifically in the soccer realm. This is NOVA, remember? Everyone's kid is better and deserves more than everyone else's.

Just funny how many people complain about the quality of coaches on 3-5 teams, when they players are terrible as well. As we both know, it's nothing more than a fundraiser for the kids with actual talent. Just hard to believe NOVA parents are okay with that, but then again, they all believe their kid is going to go from 5 to 1 and play for the USNT one day.

There is plenty to complain about regarding the coaches of certain first and second teams as well. No one wants to out themselves, so they aren't going to necessarily identify team/age group/coach.

Anyone who feels 3rd or lower teams should not exist are the ones who feel “entitled” that only higher level teams should exist. Some kids just want to play travel soccer even if they aren’t that good. Why are you so sold on this? You think denying kids a starting point or an opportunity to play , even at the lower levels, is how things should be? If so, you are the one with entitlement issues.

+1 there is a market for players that today are not at the top. There are reasons to play competitive sports and it's not just to become a pro as an adult. Perhaps there are so many complaints for this specific club because of the price structure. One set of parents are paying the exact same as others for a very different quality of product.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for the boys side, but the lowest teams on the girls side are usually painfully weak. Rec level or worse b/c rec teams usually have at least a few talented athletes. So Valor gives them terrible coaches. If they get someone halfway decent, its a Valor miracle.

Maybe it's the players and not the coaches. Chicken salad made from chicken crap is still made of crap.

Yeah, but I'm talking really basic coaching expectations, like showing up on time, or showing up at all, not being crazy, etc.

Valor should seriously look at cutting the 3rd team program all together. Bad coaches, bad players... nothing more than a fundraiser

Their 3rd-5th teams are their moneymakers. They play in cheaper leagues, cheaper and fewer tournaments, have cheaper inexperienced coaches, but everyone pays the same fees. Basically their worse teams subsidize their first teams.

Insane how these entitled parents are okay with their kids being nothing more than monetary support for kids with actual talent.

if a kid wants to start playing soccer but more competitive than rec leagues. They get placed in 3rd or lower team. The parent agrees. This makes the parents "entitled" for agreeing to pay and give their child a starting point?

Entitled in general, not specifically in the soccer realm. This is NOVA, remember? Everyone's kid is better and deserves more than everyone else's.

Just funny how many people complain about the quality of coaches on 3-5 teams, when they players are terrible as well. As we both know, it's nothing more than a fundraiser for the kids with actual talent. Just hard to believe NOVA parents are okay with that, but then again, they all believe their kid is going to go from 5 to 1 and play for the USNT one day.

There is plenty to complain about regarding the coaches of certain first and second teams as well. No one wants to out themselves, so they aren't going to necessarily identify team/age group/coach.

Serious question, what do you think you should be getting in a 2nd coach. Most clubs are going to pay a 2nd coach between 8k-10k for the year, which is like $20-$28 an hour. Have you seen how much school tutors cost in Northern Virginia? That's barely more than they are paying at mcdonalds.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for the boys side, but the lowest teams on the girls side are usually painfully weak. Rec level or worse b/c rec teams usually have at least a few talented athletes. So Valor gives them terrible coaches. If they get someone halfway decent, its a Valor miracle.

Maybe it's the players and not the coaches. Chicken salad made from chicken crap is still made of crap.

Yeah, but I'm talking really basic coaching expectations, like showing up on time, or showing up at all, not being crazy, etc.

Valor should seriously look at cutting the 3rd team program all together. Bad coaches, bad players... nothing more than a fundraiser

Their 3rd-5th teams are their moneymakers. They play in cheaper leagues, cheaper and fewer tournaments, have cheaper inexperienced coaches, but everyone pays the same fees. Basically their worse teams subsidize their first teams.

Insane how these entitled parents are okay with their kids being nothing more than monetary support for kids with actual talent.

if a kid wants to start playing soccer but more competitive than rec leagues. They get placed in 3rd or lower team. The parent agrees. This makes the parents "entitled" for agreeing to pay and give their child a starting point?

Entitled in general, not specifically in the soccer realm. This is NOVA, remember? Everyone's kid is better and deserves more than everyone else's.

Just funny how many people complain about the quality of coaches on 3-5 teams, when they players are terrible as well. As we both know, it's nothing more than a fundraiser for the kids with actual talent. Just hard to believe NOVA parents are okay with that, but then again, they all believe their kid is going to go from 5 to 1 and play for the USNT one day.

There is plenty to complain about regarding the coaches of certain first and second teams as well. No one wants to out themselves, so they aren't going to necessarily identify team/age group/coach.

Serious question, what do you think you should be getting in a 2nd coach. Most clubs are going to pay a 2nd coach between 8k-10k for the year, which is like $20-$28 an hour. Have you seen how much school tutors cost in Northern Virginia? That's barely more than they are paying at mcdonalds.

They should pay the 2nd coaches what they pay the first coaches. All the kids pay the same fees.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for the boys side, but the lowest teams on the girls side are usually painfully weak. Rec level or worse b/c rec teams usually have at least a few talented athletes. So Valor gives them terrible coaches. If they get someone halfway decent, its a Valor miracle.

Maybe it's the players and not the coaches. Chicken salad made from chicken crap is still made of crap.

Yeah, but I'm talking really basic coaching expectations, like showing up on time, or showing up at all, not being crazy, etc.

Valor should seriously look at cutting the 3rd team program all together. Bad coaches, bad players... nothing more than a fundraiser

Their 3rd-5th teams are their moneymakers. They play in cheaper leagues, cheaper and fewer tournaments, have cheaper inexperienced coaches, but everyone pays the same fees. Basically their worse teams subsidize their first teams.

Insane how these entitled parents are okay with their kids being nothing more than monetary support for kids with actual talent.

if a kid wants to start playing soccer but more competitive than rec leagues. They get placed in 3rd or lower team. The parent agrees. This makes the parents "entitled" for agreeing to pay and give their child a starting point?

Entitled in general, not specifically in the soccer realm. This is NOVA, remember? Everyone's kid is better and deserves more than everyone else's.

Just funny how many people complain about the quality of coaches on 3-5 teams, when they players are terrible as well. As we both know, it's nothing more than a fundraiser for the kids with actual talent. Just hard to believe NOVA parents are okay with that, but then again, they all believe their kid is going to go from 5 to 1 and play for the USNT one day.

There is plenty to complain about regarding the coaches of certain first and second teams as well. No one wants to out themselves, so they aren't going to necessarily identify team/age group/coach.

Serious question, what do you think you should be getting in a 2nd coach. Most clubs are going to pay a 2nd coach between 8k-10k for the year, which is like $20-$28 an hour. Have you seen how much school tutors cost in Northern Virginia? That's barely more than they are paying at mcdonalds.

They should pay the 2nd coaches what they pay the first coaches. All the kids pay the same fees.

What should happen vs what every club does is not the same thing

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for the boys side, but the lowest teams on the girls side are usually painfully weak. Rec level or worse b/c rec teams usually have at least a few talented athletes. So Valor gives them terrible coaches. If they get someone halfway decent, its a Valor miracle.

Maybe it's the players and not the coaches. Chicken salad made from chicken crap is still made of crap.

Yeah, but I'm talking really basic coaching expectations, like showing up on time, or showing up at all, not being crazy, etc.

Valor should seriously look at cutting the 3rd team program all together. Bad coaches, bad players... nothing more than a fundraiser

Their 3rd-5th teams are their moneymakers. They play in cheaper leagues, cheaper and fewer tournaments, have cheaper inexperienced coaches, but everyone pays the same fees. Basically their worse teams subsidize their first teams.

Insane how these entitled parents are okay with their kids being nothing more than monetary support for kids with actual talent.

if a kid wants to start playing soccer but more competitive than rec leagues. They get placed in 3rd or lower team. The parent agrees. This makes the parents "entitled" for agreeing to pay and give their child a starting point?

Entitled in general, not specifically in the soccer realm. This is NOVA, remember? Everyone's kid is better and deserves more than everyone else's.

Just funny how many people complain about the quality of coaches on 3-5 teams, when they players are terrible as well. As we both know, it's nothing more than a fundraiser for the kids with actual talent. Just hard to believe NOVA parents are okay with that, but then again, they all believe their kid is going to go from 5 to 1 and play for the USNT one day.

There is plenty to complain about regarding the coaches of certain first and second teams as well. No one wants to out themselves, so they aren't going to necessarily identify team/age group/coach.

Serious question, what do you think you should be getting in a 2nd coach. Most clubs are going to pay a 2nd coach between 8k-10k for the year, which is like $20-$28 an hour. Have you seen how much school tutors cost in Northern Virginia? That's barely more than they are paying at mcdonalds.

My other kid's volunteer rec coach was able to make meaningful and observable progress with the team from the beginning to end of one season. Not so with certain Valor coaches working with the same kids for multiple seasons twice as often.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for the boys side, but the lowest teams on the girls side are usually painfully weak. Rec level or worse b/c rec teams usually have at least a few talented athletes. So Valor gives them terrible coaches. If they get someone halfway decent, its a Valor miracle.

Maybe it's the players and not the coaches. Chicken salad made from chicken crap is still made of crap.

Yeah, but I'm talking really basic coaching expectations, like showing up on time, or showing up at all, not being crazy, etc.

Valor should seriously look at cutting the 3rd team program all together. Bad coaches, bad players... nothing more than a fundraiser

Their 3rd-5th teams are their moneymakers. They play in cheaper leagues, cheaper and fewer tournaments, have cheaper inexperienced coaches, but everyone pays the same fees. Basically their worse teams subsidize their first teams.

Insane how these entitled parents are okay with their kids being nothing more than monetary support for kids with actual talent.

if a kid wants to start playing soccer but more competitive than rec leagues. They get placed in 3rd or lower team. The parent agrees. This makes the parents "entitled" for agreeing to pay and give their child a starting point?

Entitled in general, not specifically in the soccer realm. This is NOVA, remember? Everyone's kid is better and deserves more than everyone else's.

Just funny how many people complain about the quality of coaches on 3-5 teams, when they players are terrible as well. As we both know, it's nothing more than a fundraiser for the kids with actual talent. Just hard to believe NOVA parents are okay with that, but then again, they all believe their kid is going to go from 5 to 1 and play for the USNT one day.

There is plenty to complain about regarding the coaches of certain first and second teams as well. No one wants to out themselves, so they aren't going to necessarily identify team/age group/coach.

Anyone who feels 3rd or lower teams should not exist are the ones who feel “entitled” that only higher level teams should exist. Some kids just want to play travel soccer even if they aren’t that good. Why are you so sold on this? You think denying kids a starting point or an opportunity to play , even at the lower levels, is how things should be? If so, you are the one with entitlement issues.

+1 there is a market for players that today are not at the top. There are reasons to play competitive sports and it's not just to become a pro as an adult. Perhaps there are so many complaints for this specific club because of the price structure. One set of parents are paying the exact same as others for a very different quality of product.

Exactly.
Just accepted our offer. Returning to the same team (top of age group) with same coach. Do I LOVE Valor - no. Do I hate it? Also no. It's fine. My kid has enjoyed it and the coach.
I started this thread a year plus ago as I was wondering really about outside perception. Like, if my kid said he played for Valor, would HS coaches turn up their nose and assume he was not good enough.
I worried for not. The coaches looked at my kid, his skills, and his attitude on and off the field. He made Varisty as a Freshman with stiff competition for his position.

And he's started, and he seems to be doing a fine job. Was it Valor training? Is it despite Valor training that he's performing? Who knows. But as the PP stated, there are more reasons to play organized sports than going pro (or even playing in college). We are lucky that we can "write the check" and it won't limit or negatively impact our daily or future life. The cost is what it is.

Thanks to those who have commented and since I know that a lot of the negative and obnoxious comments are from his current or former teammates' Dads (maybe moms??) perhaps didn't get the breadth of response I was looking for, but certainly did get enough!

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for the boys side, but the lowest teams on the girls side are usually painfully weak. Rec level or worse b/c rec teams usually have at least a few talented athletes. So Valor gives them terrible coaches. If they get someone halfway decent, its a Valor miracle.

Maybe it's the players and not the coaches. Chicken salad made from chicken crap is still made of crap.

Yeah, but I'm talking really basic coaching expectations, like showing up on time, or showing up at all, not being crazy, etc.

Valor should seriously look at cutting the 3rd team program all together. Bad coaches, bad players... nothing more than a fundraiser

Their 3rd-5th teams are their moneymakers. They play in cheaper leagues, cheaper and fewer tournaments, have cheaper inexperienced coaches, but everyone pays the same fees. Basically their worse teams subsidize their first teams.

Insane how these entitled parents are okay with their kids being nothing more than monetary support for kids with actual talent.

if a kid wants to start playing soccer but more competitive than rec leagues. They get placed in 3rd or lower team. The parent agrees. This makes the parents "entitled" for agreeing to pay and give their child a starting point?

Entitled in general, not specifically in the soccer realm. This is NOVA, remember? Everyone's kid is better and deserves more than everyone else's.

Just funny how many people complain about the quality of coaches on 3-5 teams, when they players are terrible as well. As we both know, it's nothing more than a fundraiser for the kids with actual talent. Just hard to believe NOVA parents are okay with that, but then again, they all believe their kid is going to go from 5 to 1 and play for the USNT one day.

There is plenty to complain about regarding the coaches of certain first and second teams as well. No one wants to out themselves, so they aren't going to necessarily identify team/age group/coach.

Anyone who feels 3rd or lower teams should not exist are the ones who feel “entitled” that only higher level teams should exist. Some kids just want to play travel soccer even if they aren’t that good. Why are you so sold on this? You think denying kids a starting point or an opportunity to play , even at the lower levels, is how things should be? If so, you are the one with entitlement issues.

Ahhh the "everyone should be able to participate" mindset. How 2025 liberal of you!

If anything, you're arguing that lesser talented kids should be entitled to a team to play on...

I think we should teach kids to find something they're actually good at and be honest with them that some things just aren't for them.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for the boys side, but the lowest teams on the girls side are usually painfully weak. Rec level or worse b/c rec teams usually have at least a few talented athletes. So Valor gives them terrible coaches. If they get someone halfway decent, its a Valor miracle.

Maybe it's the players and not the coaches. Chicken salad made from chicken crap is still made of crap.

Yeah, but I'm talking really basic coaching expectations, like showing up on time, or showing up at all, not being crazy, etc.

Valor should seriously look at cutting the 3rd team program all together. Bad coaches, bad players... nothing more than a fundraiser

Their 3rd-5th teams are their moneymakers. They play in cheaper leagues, cheaper and fewer tournaments, have cheaper inexperienced coaches, but everyone pays the same fees. Basically their worse teams subsidize their first teams.

Insane how these entitled parents are okay with their kids being nothing more than monetary support for kids with actual talent.

if a kid wants to start playing soccer but more competitive than rec leagues. They get placed in 3rd or lower team. The parent agrees. This makes the parents "entitled" for agreeing to pay and give their child a starting point?

Entitled in general, not specifically in the soccer realm. This is NOVA, remember? Everyone's kid is better and deserves more than everyone else's.

Just funny how many people complain about the quality of coaches on 3-5 teams, when they players are terrible as well. As we both know, it's nothing more than a fundraiser for the kids with actual talent. Just hard to believe NOVA parents are okay with that, but then again, they all believe their kid is going to go from 5 to 1 and play for the USNT one day.

There is plenty to complain about regarding the coaches of certain first and second teams as well. No one wants to out themselves, so they aren't going to necessarily identify team/age group/coach.

Serious question, what do you think you should be getting in a 2nd coach. Most clubs are going to pay a 2nd coach between 8k-10k for the year, which is like $20-$28 an hour. Have you seen how much school tutors cost in Northern Virginia? That's barely more than they are paying at mcdonalds.

They should pay the 2nd coaches what they pay the first coaches. All the kids pay the same fees.

What should happen vs what every club does is not the same thing

A lot of clubs charge different fees for different age groups and levels.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for the boys side, but the lowest teams on the girls side are usually painfully weak. Rec level or worse b/c rec teams usually have at least a few talented athletes. So Valor gives them terrible coaches. If they get someone halfway decent, its a Valor miracle.

Maybe it's the players and not the coaches. Chicken salad made from chicken crap is still made of crap.

Yeah, but I'm talking really basic coaching expectations, like showing up on time, or showing up at all, not being crazy, etc.

Valor should seriously look at cutting the 3rd team program all together. Bad coaches, bad players... nothing more than a fundraiser

Their 3rd-5th teams are their moneymakers. They play in cheaper leagues, cheaper and fewer tournaments, have cheaper inexperienced coaches, but everyone pays the same fees. Basically their worse teams subsidize their first teams.

Insane how these entitled parents are okay with their kids being nothing more than monetary support for kids with actual talent.

if a kid wants to start playing soccer but more competitive than rec leagues. They get placed in 3rd or lower team. The parent agrees. This makes the parents "entitled" for agreeing to pay and give their child a starting point?

Entitled in general, not specifically in the soccer realm. This is NOVA, remember? Everyone's kid is better and deserves more than everyone else's.

Just funny how many people complain about the quality of coaches on 3-5 teams, when they players are terrible as well. As we both know, it's nothing more than a fundraiser for the kids with actual talent. Just hard to believe NOVA parents are okay with that, but then again, they all believe their kid is going to go from 5 to 1 and play for the USNT one day.

There is plenty to complain about regarding the coaches of certain first and second teams as well. No one wants to out themselves, so they aren't going to necessarily identify team/age group/coach.

Anyone who feels 3rd or lower teams should not exist are the ones who feel “entitled” that only higher level teams should exist. Some kids just want to play travel soccer even if they aren’t that good. Why are you so sold on this? You think denying kids a starting point or an opportunity to play , even at the lower levels, is how things should be? If so, you are the one with entitlement issues.

+1 there is a market for players that today are not at the top. There are reasons to play competitive sports and it's not just to become a pro as an adult. Perhaps there are so many complaints for this specific club because of the price structure. One set of parents are paying the exact same as others for a very different quality of product.

Exactly.
Just accepted our offer. Returning to the same team (top of age group) with same coach. Do I LOVE Valor - no. Do I hate it? Also no. It's fine. My kid has enjoyed it and the coach.
I started this thread a year plus ago as I was wondering really about outside perception. Like, if my kid said he played for Valor, would HS coaches turn up their nose and assume he was not good enough.
I worried for not. The coaches looked at my kid, his skills, and his attitude on and off the field. He made Varisty as a Freshman with stiff competition for his position.

And he's started, and he seems to be doing a fine job. Was it Valor training? Is it despite Valor training that he's performing? Who knows. But as the PP stated, there are more reasons to play organized sports than going pro (or even playing in college). We are lucky that we can "write the check" and it won't limit or negatively impact our daily or future life. The cost is what it is.

Thanks to those who have commented and since I know that a lot of the negative and obnoxious comments are from his current or former teammates' Dads (maybe moms??) perhaps didn't get the breadth of response I was looking for, but certainly did get enough!

High School soccer in NOVA is some of the worst in the country. Half the schools can barely field a Varsity and JV team.

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Your kid played Valor this fall for the first time, then made Varsity before the spring team had started, as a freshman?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for the boys side, but the lowest teams on the girls side are usually painfully weak. Rec level or worse b/c rec teams usually have at least a few talented athletes. So Valor gives them terrible coaches. If they get someone halfway decent, its a Valor miracle.

Maybe it's the players and not the coaches. Chicken salad made from chicken crap is still made of crap.

Yeah, but I'm talking really basic coaching expectations, like showing up on time, or showing up at all, not being crazy, etc.

Valor should seriously look at cutting the 3rd team program all together. Bad coaches, bad players... nothing more than a fundraiser

Their 3rd-5th teams are their moneymakers. They play in cheaper leagues, cheaper and fewer tournaments, have cheaper inexperienced coaches, but everyone pays the same fees. Basically their worse teams subsidize their first teams.

Insane how these entitled parents are okay with their kids being nothing more than monetary support for kids with actual talent.

if a kid wants to start playing soccer but more competitive than rec leagues. They get placed in 3rd or lower team. The parent agrees. This makes the parents "entitled" for agreeing to pay and give their child a starting point?

Entitled in general, not specifically in the soccer realm. This is NOVA, remember? Everyone's kid is better and deserves more than everyone else's.

Just funny how many people complain about the quality of coaches on 3-5 teams, when they players are terrible as well. As we both know, it's nothing more than a fundraiser for the kids with actual talent. Just hard to believe NOVA parents are okay with that, but then again, they all believe their kid is going to go from 5 to 1 and play for the USNT one day.

There is plenty to complain about regarding the coaches of certain first and second teams as well. No one wants to out themselves, so they aren't going to necessarily identify team/age group/coach.

Anyone who feels 3rd or lower teams should not exist are the ones who feel “entitled” that only higher level teams should exist. Some kids just want to play travel soccer even if they aren’t that good. Why are you so sold on this? You think denying kids a starting point or an opportunity to play , even at the lower levels, is how things should be? If so, you are the one with entitlement issues.

+1 there is a market for players that today are not at the top. There are reasons to play competitive sports and it's not just to become a pro as an adult. Perhaps there are so many complaints for this specific club because of the price structure. One set of parents are paying the exact same as others for a very different quality of product.

Exactly.
Just accepted our offer. Returning to the same team (top of age group) with same coach. Do I LOVE Valor - no. Do I hate it? Also no. It's fine. My kid has enjoyed it and the coach.
I started this thread a year plus ago as I was wondering really about outside perception. Like, if my kid said he played for Valor, would HS coaches turn up their nose and assume he was not good enough.
I worried for not. The coaches looked at my kid, his skills, and his attitude on and off the field. He made Varisty as a Freshman with stiff competition for his position.

And he's started, and he seems to be doing a fine job. Was it Valor training? Is it despite Valor training that he's performing? Who knows. But as the PP stated, there are more reasons to play organized sports than going pro (or even playing in college). We are lucky that we can "write the check" and it won't limit or negatively impact our daily or future life. The cost is what it is.

Thanks to those who have commented and since I know that a lot of the negative and obnoxious comments are from his current or former teammates' Dads (maybe moms??) perhaps didn't get the breadth of response I was looking for, but certainly did get enough!

High School soccer in NOVA is some of the worst in the country. Half the schools can barely field a Varsity and JV team.

Facts. "Stiff competition" is comical regarding high school soccer in this area. We, myself included, as parents have such a diluted view of what "talent" really is.

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This repeated notion that top teams get better training may be true. But very little thought put into why.
All but maybe two players in dc's team go out and get extra practices in on their own and also their parents pay for extra training at one of the academies (false 8, hp elite, etc) and/or private coaches. When they show up to team practices, coaches don't have to spend valuable time on individual development because the kids already put in work. The coach can focus on collective development, advanced drills, and tactics.

Stop with all this "top team gets more respect". They put in the work and continue putting in the work to get there. Practices are same amount of time. Parents and players get nothing extra except a patch and harder competition.