Biden's VP?

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Anonymous wrote:^^ but I can get on board with a Whitmer because she’s an effective governor and has broad appeal. I concede my top governing picks all have electability problems she may not have. I hope the fact she seems to be a strong ally to Black communities would help offset disappointment, but I’m not sure.

Whitmer seems good, a little green in terms of national politics but would work well with the Governors for the WH. Do worry how she'd fare in the vipers pit that is DC with no experience there.

The Maxine Waters "Biden can't go home without there being a Black woman VP" remarks did concern me. What if the Congressional Black Caucus doesn't put their muscle into Black turnout? If Black turnout had been at its previously high levels for HRC, she'd be president now. It's not even a matter of taking offense necessarily, but of enthusiasm that translates into turnout. Representation matters. Tim Kaine was great, highly credentialed, but did not inspire enthusiasm and I'm concerned Whitmer would be similar. He didn't inspire strong feelings either way and neither does she. Last poll I saw had Biden's national lead at 3 points. 3 points, with this president?? The fact he is not ahead by 20+ points is concerning, and it's because of lack of enthusiasm. I understand the concerns about Rice but she's sharp and brilliant. Once voters get to know her, I think they'll like her, and no prospect is better qualified to step into the White House from day 1. Bass is also very likable, would be an outstanding partner for the WH working with the Hill, and would guarantee Black turnout like no other (CBC backing plus progressives). Not a Harris fan, but she is charismatic and for that reason could potentially also help with turnout. So I don't dislike Whitmer, but would prefer any of these three, or Duckworth with her unique military credentials that maker her harder to attack.

Really well put. There is no compelling reason to pick Whitmer.

The compelling reasons would be "no baggage" and the campaign's internal polling telling them winning isn't possible without a Midwest boost and/or ability to swing systemically racist voters. But I get the PP's point about the enthusiasm issue and also agree that no DC experience would be tough.

Good points. The campaign's polling data is a huge unknown here.

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The ranker is a Harris booster who always puts her in first despite her problems. Maybe that's right, I don't know, but otherwise the ranking seems pretty accurate:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics/joe-biden-vp-pick/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:Right, Clyburn isn’t supporting any one candidate. Judy Chu is Asian American.

Publicly he isn't supporting any one candidate, privately these the two articles indicate it's a different story. And who cares about Judy Chu's ethnicity? The people championing Bass stress legislative chops, coalition support, trustworthiness, and Black turnout.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/07/over-300-dnc-delegates-members-urge-biden-to-pick-bass-for-vp-392553

There was a campaign event with Biden, Bass, Clyburn, and Richmond scheduled for July 30 but I can't find any info about it. I will say the Biden campaign is doing a terrible job publicizing their events. I have trouble finding them and never can seem to get advance notice.

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Many white women grew up in poor families. We resent when other people throw around the word white privilege.

Then you misunderstand the term white privilege. Just because you were poor does not mean you did not grow up with privilege due to your skin color. Poor blacks faced many of the same challenges poor whites faced but also had to deal with racial profiling from police, store security, and systemic issues. Poor blacks often face discrimination based on their names or the dialectic way that they speak. It has been shown that resumes with black styled names receive less attention and weaker receptions than resumes with the same credentials but more common names. Likewise even when it comes to hourly jobs in low skilled positions like fast food, retail, clerking, shipping, driving, delivery, etc that poor whites have an easier time on getting hired than poor whites. Blacks make about 73 cents on the dollar compared to white counterparts. It is not unusual for blacks to be making minimum wage and white counterparts doing the same work with the same level of experience to earn higher wages. Poor blacks can be treated differently and more harshly by business security (e.g. being followed in stores, being stopped and searched before exiting a store), and law enforcement (pulled over for driving while black, stopped and treated more harshly such as roughed up, handcuffed, thrown on the ground, bound in uncomfortable or debilitating positions, incarcerated and so on) for the same offenses or accusations.

There are many other instances where poor whites still have a systemic racial advantage to poor blacks in like situations, based solely on race. That is white privilege.

[Anonymous]

After all this, after the horrific systemic racism and the brave protests against, for Biden to choose a white woman would just be bizarre. Harris? I get that he might be pissed at her. The answer is Rice—solid, smart seeming, and kind of a no political placeholder. I will vomit if he chooses Whitmer.

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He needs to concentrate on Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania Florida. He needs those voters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Right, Clyburn isn’t supporting any one candidate. Judy Chu is Asian American.

Publicly he isn't supporting any one candidate, privately these the two articles indicate it's a different story. And who cares about Judy Chu's ethnicity? The people championing Bass stress legislative chops, coalition support, trustworthiness, and Black turnout.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/07/over-300-dnc-delegates-members-urge-biden-to-pick-bass-for-vp-392553

There was a campaign event with Biden, Bass, Clyburn, and Richmond scheduled for July 30 but I can't find any info about it. I will say the Biden campaign is doing a terrible job publicizing their events. I have trouble finding them and never can seem to get advance notice.

Klobs and Tammy Baldwin are doing one tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right, Clyburn isn’t supporting any one candidate. Judy Chu is Asian American.

Publicly he isn't supporting any one candidate, privately these the two articles indicate it's a different story. And who cares about Judy Chu's ethnicity? The people championing Bass stress legislative chops, coalition support, trustworthiness, and Black turnout.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/07/over-300-dnc-delegates-members-urge-biden-to-pick-bass-for-vp-392553

There was a campaign event with Biden, Bass, Clyburn, and Richmond scheduled for July 30 but I can't find any info about it. I will say the Biden campaign is doing a terrible job publicizing their events. I have trouble finding them and never can seem to get advance notice.

Found it. Big dollar fundraiser, so I couldn't have watched it anyway!
https://secure.joebiden.com/a/aalfc-launch?attr=101662183

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Anonymous wrote:After all this, after the horrific systemic racism and the brave protests against, for Biden to choose a white woman would just be bizarre. Harris? I get that he might be pissed at her. The answer is Rice—solid, smart seeming, and kind of a no political placeholder. I will vomit if he chooses Whitmer.

It’s pretty bizarre that you deny the horrific systematic gender bias in this country, including against white women. Your valuable vomit aside, you sound like an entitled millennial who would choose any excuse to sleep on mommy’s free couch and not vote anyway, so...

[Anonymous]

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Many white women grew up in poor families. We resent when other people throw around the word white privilege.

Then you misunderstand the term white privilege. Just because you were poor does not mean you did not grow up with privilege due to your skin color. Poor blacks faced many of the same challenges poor whites faced but also had to deal with racial profiling from police, store security, and systemic issues. Poor blacks often face discrimination based on their names or the dialectic way that they speak. It has been shown that resumes with black styled names receive less attention and weaker receptions than resumes with the same credentials but more common names. Likewise even when it comes to hourly jobs in low skilled positions like fast food, retail, clerking, shipping, driving, delivery, etc that poor whites have an easier time on getting hired than poor whites. Blacks make about 73 cents on the dollar compared to white counterparts. It is not unusual for blacks to be making minimum wage and white counterparts doing the same work with the same level of experience to earn higher wages. Poor blacks can be treated differently and more harshly by business security (e.g. being followed in stores, being stopped and searched before exiting a store), and law enforcement (pulled over for driving while black, stopped and treated more harshly such as roughed up, handcuffed, thrown on the ground, bound in uncomfortable or debilitating positions, incarcerated and so on) for the same offenses or accusations.

There are many other instances where poor whites still have a systemic racial advantage to poor blacks in like situations, based solely on race. That is white privilege.

White privilege is a theoretical construct, it’s not a universal truism. There are other privileges class, gender, religion, skin tone, heterosexual privilege, etc. that amplify or mute white skin privilege, and we haven’t even touched on the various privileges existing within AA communities, e.g., colorism.

[Anonymous]

White privilege is a theoretical construct, it’s not a universal truism. There are other privileges class, gender, religion, skin tone, heterosexual privilege, etc. that amplify or mute white skin privilege, and we haven’t even touched on the various privileges existing within AA communities, e.g., colorism.

+1

And, "anti-racism" falls in this category, as well. But, somehow, it is making its way into the curriculum of our schools. Most people think "anti-racism" is equal to not being a bigot, but that is not what they are teaching. It is dangerous.

Reminds me a little bit of the "assertiveness training" which was so popular in the '70's. You were supposed to tell anyone who offended you in any way why it made you angry--they called it "being assertive." Do you know what it did? It made people resentful.

This "anti-racism" training will make it worse, not better.

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Anonymous wrote:After all this, after the horrific systemic racism and the brave protests against, for Biden to choose a white woman would just be bizarre. Harris? I get that he might be pissed at her. The answer is Rice—solid, smart seeming, and kind of a no political placeholder. I will vomit if he chooses Whitmer.

Yeah, Susan Benghazi Rice would be the ideal VP pick.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After all this, after the horrific systemic racism and the brave protests against, for Biden to choose a white woman would just be bizarre. Harris? I get that he might be pissed at her. The answer is Rice—solid, smart seeming, and kind of a no political placeholder. I will vomit if he chooses Whitmer.

Yeah, Susan Benghazi Rice would be the ideal VP pick.

There have been several Benghazi GOP investigations...all of them showed Rice did nothing wrong. She read talking points from the CIA that were inaccurate. Watch her during the interviews she is more than capable of dispelling the Benghazi “issue” and does Trump really want to discuss liars?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After all this, after the horrific systemic racism and the brave protests against, for Biden to choose a white woman would just be bizarre. Harris? I get that he might be pissed at her. The answer is Rice—solid, smart seeming, and kind of a no political placeholder. I will vomit if he chooses Whitmer.

Yeah, Susan Benghazi Rice would be the ideal VP pick.

There have been several Benghazi GOP investigations...all of them showed Rice did nothing wrong. She read talking points from the CIA that were inaccurate. Watch her during the interviews she is more than capable of dispelling the Benghazi “issue” and does Trump really want to discuss liars?

Hillary did nothing either and that didn’t stop the GOP from going to town on Benghazi. Didn’t Trump have one of the victim’s mothers center stage at his convention? Truth doesn’t matter to these people.

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Anonymous wrote:After all this, after the horrific systemic racism and the brave protests against, for Biden to choose a white woman would just be bizarre. Harris? I get that he might be pissed at her. The answer is Rice—solid, smart seeming, and kind of a no political placeholder. I will vomit if he chooses Whitmer.

It’s pretty bizarre that you deny the horrific systematic gender bias in this country, including against white women. Your valuable vomit aside, you sound like an entitled millennial who would choose any excuse to sleep on mommy’s free couch and not vote anyway, so...

Well, no. He's choosing a woman, so that battle was won. There. is. no. reason. for. him. to. choose. a. white. woman. in. these. circumstances. with. everything. that. is. going. on.