Fire in upper NW?

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Anonymous wrote:That lawyer is on CNN. Someone needs to get him a muzzle.

How dare he say "the pizza crust was found outside and the murder took place inside the home"

All he keeps saying is Daron has no convictions. He desperately wants camera time. I'm turning.

I saw him on Megyn Kelly last night and can’t believe what a joke he is.
Yes, people have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but to call him a “nice guy” and to pretty much deny other crimes this scumbag has committed is over the top.
He gives lawyers a bad name.

"Ficker" means "f***er" in German. The name definitely fits this motherf***er. This is why people hate criminal defense lawyers - I know that our judicial system requires it, but it's sickening that this animal who tortured and burned a 10 year old will have someone fighting for his acquittal.

He's not an animal. He's doing his job. Defense attorneys are just as important as prosecutors, Nancy Grace.

So tell us, Johnnie Cochran, exactly how you would defend Daron Wint. Let me guess - he is not guilty by reason of insanity. He ate Twinkies and they made him crazy. He had a deprived childhood. It wasn't him, it was his brother. He didn't mean to kill any of these people - things just got out of hand.

If there is more than one assailant, my defense strategy would be the point the finger at the other(s). Say I was there but I didn't do it, I was coerced or threatened to be there but didn't want to. If you are the only assailant, try to disprove you weren't there. It is up to the prosecution to prove the case, then you poke the holes. Either way, it sounds like the DNA evidence is solid, so then your strategy may just be to get life in prison and not the death penalty (we don't know yet whether a federal case with that could be maid, but assuming it could be).

This. Sometimes all a criminal defense lawyer can do is try to get life in prison instead of the death penalty. Either way, the perpetrator is eliminated from society and everyone wins.

No. No one "wins".

If a person who commits a horrific crime like this is permanently removed from society, then yes, it is a win.

No. It is not a win. 4 sweet, innocent people were murdered by this man. The family does not win, society has lost these good people. There is no winning here. Even if the monster goes away, it is a loss.

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Interestingly enough, Wint's sister (don't want to say her name) is planning on becoming a developmental psychologist. I wonder if her brother's behavior problems has anything to do with that. She seems like a really good person.

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Anonymous wrote:That lawyer is on CNN. Someone needs to get him a muzzle.

How dare he say "the pizza crust was found outside and the murder took place inside the home"

All he keeps saying is Daron has no convictions. He desperately wants camera time. I'm turning.

I saw him on Megyn Kelly last night and can’t believe what a joke he is.
Yes, people have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but to call him a “nice guy” and to pretty much deny other crimes this scumbag has committed is over the top.
He gives lawyers a bad name.

"Ficker" means "f***er" in German. The name definitely fits this motherf***er. This is why people hate criminal defense lawyers - I know that our judicial system requires it, but it's sickening that this animal who tortured and burned a 10 year old will have someone fighting for his acquittal.

He's not an animal. He's doing his job. Defense attorneys are just as important as prosecutors, Nancy Grace.

So tell us, Johnnie Cochran, exactly how you would defend Daron Wint. Let me guess - he is not guilty by reason of insanity. He ate Twinkies and they made him crazy. He had a deprived childhood. It wasn't him, it was his brother. He didn't mean to kill any of these people - things just got out of hand.

If there is more than one assailant, my defense strategy would be the point the finger at the other(s). Say I was there but I didn't do it, I was coerced or threatened to be there but didn't want to. If you are the only assailant, try to disprove you weren't there. It is up to the prosecution to prove the case, then you poke the holes. Either way, it sounds like the DNA evidence is solid, so then your strategy may just be to get life in prison and not the death penalty (we don't know yet whether a federal case with that could be maid, but assuming it could be).

This. Sometimes all a criminal defense lawyer can do is try to get life in prison instead of the death penalty. Either way, the perpetrator is eliminated from society and everyone wins.

No. No one "wins".

If a person who commits a horrific crime like this is permanently removed from society, then yes, it is a win.

No. It is not a win. 4 sweet, innocent people were murdered by this man. The family does not win, society has lost these good people. There is no winning here. Even if the monster goes away, it is a loss.

Totally agree.

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In DC, it's quite the opposite. You get jurors who refuse to "judge" defendants for serious crimes and/or engage in jury nullification. No doubt this thug's lawyers will be noting the overwhelming police effort to get this poor black male.

I've sat on a DC jury, and can tell you that this is simply not true.

I've sat on four juries in DC (and one Federal). In all four cases we had at least one juror hold out who either 1) wouldn't convict a "brother", 2) felt like the cops were out to get this one person, or 3) so strung out on drugs that they couldn't really interact with the rest of us.

It was a disgrace.

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The jury I sat on had one juror who refused to convict because she was convinced that the police had planted the drugs, even though the defense never presented this as a possibility and it was very clear from the testimony that this didn't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm no legal historian, but can anyone think of a case in the last 50 years with a fact pattern as horrific as this? It feels like this may be the worst sort of murder (torture of a child coupled with the fire), in DC history.

I'm pretty sure a criminal has killed a family (definitely a mother and child) in DC after holding and menacing them overnight. And I am not sure there was torture of a child. The body was burned beyond recognition. I imagine that is one of the facts that police chief is saying is out there but not correct.

I'm in this thread because I am obsessed with the horror of this too, but similarly horrible things like this happen every couple of years. This one is especially visible because of the family's demographics. They were living the perfect, charmed life, and then this.

The Bonita Jacks case.

Remember how the girls' relatives--- who couldn't give a damn about them alive-- came out of the woodwork to sue after they died? I think even one of their deadbeat dads sued.

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Don't you think the defense will want a change of venue?

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Anonymous wrote:Interestingly enough, Wint's sister (don't want to say her name) is planning on becoming a developmental psychologist. I wonder if her brother's behavior problems has anything to do with that. She seems like a really good person.

She does seem like a good person. And, do not forget the father took out a restraining order at one time against DW. She probably became interested after observing her SBs behavior over the years.

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Anonymous wrote:So I read they took Wint and his brother into custody---why not the woman driving the getaway car also?

anyone?

All of the people in the car and truck were taken into custody. WTOP has reported that there were 2 women with Wint in the car, and 2 men in the truck.

What was in the truck? Items stolen from the house?

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Sister was the 8-year old Wint terrorized 10 years ago, when his father had to go to lengths to get a restraining order. I continue to feel very sorry for her and her parents. They seem to be good people, and I'm sure they are absolutely devastated.

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Maybe they will figure out how to charge this creep in federal court with federal offenses that carry the death penalty. Then they can order him a Domino's pizza for his last meal.

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Anonymous wrote:Sister was the 8-year old Wint terrorized 10 years ago, when his father had to go to lengths to get a restraining order. I continue to feel very sorry for her and her parents. They seem to be good people, and I'm sure they are absolutely devastated.

I feel sorry for them as well. Two families destroyed by the horrific actions of the suspects. Actually, three as well as the suspects children.

Anyone know when the suspects have to appear in court?

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Anonymous wrote:That lawyer is on CNN. Someone needs to get him a muzzle.

How dare he say "the pizza crust was found outside and the murder took place inside the home"

All he keeps saying is Daron has no convictions. He desperately wants camera time. I'm turning.

I saw him on Megyn Kelly last night and can’t believe what a joke he is.
Yes, people have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but to call him a “nice guy” and to pretty much deny other crimes this scumbag has committed is over the top.
He gives lawyers a bad name.

"Ficker" means "f***er" in German. The name definitely fits this motherf***er. This is why people hate criminal defense lawyers - I know that our judicial system requires it, but it's sickening that this animal who tortured and burned a 10 year old will have someone fighting for his acquittal.

He's not an animal. He's doing his job. Defense attorneys are just as important as prosecutors, Nancy Grace.

So tell us, Johnnie Cochran, exactly how you would defend Daron Wint. Let me guess - he is not guilty by reason of insanity. He ate Twinkies and they made him crazy. He had a deprived childhood. It wasn't him, it was his brother. He didn't mean to kill any of these people - things just got out of hand.

If there is more than one assailant, my defense strategy would be the point the finger at the other(s). Say I was there but I didn't do it, I was coerced or threatened to be there but didn't want to. If you are the only assailant, try to disprove you weren't there. It is up to the prosecution to prove the case, then you poke the holes. Either way, it sounds like the DNA evidence is solid, so then your strategy may just be to get life in prison and not the death penalty (we don't know yet whether a federal case with that could be maid, but assuming it could be).

This. Sometimes all a criminal defense lawyer can do is try to get life in prison instead of the death penalty. Either way, the perpetrator is eliminated from society and everyone wins.

No. No one "wins".

If a person who commits a horrific crime like this is permanently removed from society, then yes, it is a win.

No. It is not a win. 4 sweet, innocent people were murdered by this man. The family does not win, society has lost these good people. There is no winning here. Even if the monster goes away, it is a loss.

Of course there is no bringing the victims back, and their family and society suffers the loss. Nothing will change that. But justice must be done. The person or people who did this must never walk free again. Ensuring that they are put away forever is the least we can do to prevent them from doing this again.

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Anonymous wrote:Sister was the 8-year old Wint terrorized 10 years ago, when his father had to go to lengths to get a restraining order. I continue to feel very sorry for her and her parents. They seem to be good people, and I'm sure they are absolutely devastated.

OH this is so sad. I feel bad assuming he came from family of losers. Just a bad apple I guess. Prayers for all involved.

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Anonymous wrote:Sister was the 8-year old Wint terrorized 10 years ago, when his father had to go to lengths to get a restraining order. I continue to feel very sorry for her and her parents. They seem to be good people, and I'm sure they are absolutely devastated.

I feel sorry for them as well. Two families destroyed by the horrific actions of the suspects. Actually, three as well as the suspects children.

Anyone know when the suspects have to appear in court?

I read somewhere he is scheduled to appear in Superior (I think) Court today at 1:30 pm. Can't remember where I came across that though. Not sure about the others arrested with him.

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I'm interested why the rest of the group didn't ditch Wint when it became widely known that he was wanted? At the time, he was the only associated with the crime. If I'm the other people, I'm thinking "You're on your own man...don't travel with us."


You think everyone else ate their pizza crusts

Because he's their friend and their brother and they don't think he did it?

I see. So you think the others were not involved in the original crime? I think at least the brother was involved. His rap sheet is even longer than Daron's.

It was reported in the early days after the murders that the family had an extensive art collection, so I wouldn't be surprised if they took some of it and were hauling it around in that box car.

Please don't start with the art thief theory, again.

I'm not suggesting he planned this for the art, just that if they were going to rob this family's money why wouldn't they also take their things?

Taking fine art would be a liability to this guy. He wouldn't even know where to start to try to sell it. Ebay? Etsy?