ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:I talked to our GA technical director yesterday and he said they are taking a case by case view of where to put kids next year, even with August birthdays (we are in a 9-1 state) because I asked him specifically. He said they want every player to develop optimally and they have 3 choices where to put a current GA August birthday: GA senior team, GA Aspire or GA senior team of the year below.

Yea right. This post is 100% made up.

Yeah and if it isnt, sounds like a complete disaster to manage. Much simpler to set a standard and only compromise for a very few exceptional cases

It's even easier to not tell parents anything then one day present them next seasons team rosters.

And on top of that its easier for clubs if there arent any Aug anf younger players playing down a grade

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

Good luck with all that.

Instead of making things ridiculously complicated. Just implement a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school.

Do this and all the issues go away.

Or make everything stupid complicated and watch while GA implements a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school. GA will look more professional because they're not letting players play down a grade and everything will be less complicated for GA to implement.

If Aug and younger players arent good enough for the A team with their grade they should play on the B team with their grade. They'll develop faster playing up with players their grade in school.

Most clubs will put aug and younger players on their grade B team because they don't want to deal with players playing on a grade down team. But also theres likely more roster spots available on the b team and nobody will want short timers playing down a grade on A team rosters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

Good luck with all that.

Instead of making things ridiculously complicated. Just implement a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school.

Do this and all the issues go away.

Or make everything stupid complicated and watch while GA implements a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school. GA will look more professional because they're not letting players play down a grade and everything will be less complicated for GA to implement.

If Aug and younger players arent good enough for the A team with their grade they should play on the B team with their grade. They'll develop faster playing up with players their grade in school.

Most clubs will put aug and younger players on their grade B team because they don't want to deal with players playing on a grade down team. But also theres likely more roster spots available on the b team and nobody will want short timers playing down a grade on A team rosters.

Please stop. The horse is dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thinking through the idea that mlsnext 1 stats 1/1 and mlsnext 2 goes 8/1.

How does mlsnext 1 attract clubs to join in the future? All other clubs will be 8/1. The club would have to switch to 1/1 and there is no guarantee their new teams would be strong.

Mlsnext 2 would be totally separate from mlsnext 1. Couldn’t play them, no pathway from 2 to 1. How is that attractive to clubs to join mlsnext 2?

In that vein, 11-12 years old is about the age where kids start picking a sport; parents are also heavily assessing if the situation is right for them financially, time commitment, and logistics wise. If a SY kid is doing well up to u11-u12 and then all of the sudden has to play kids 5 months older and on the wrong side of RAE with the BY switch, they will not be as successful, all things being equal. Couple this decrease in performance (and likely enjoyment) with a ton of new travel and cost for parents, it would ultimately drive some families away. you could say, MLSN wouldn't want those kids anyway if they don't know by 10-11 years old that they know their potential and are "all in". But, in reality, kids and coaches don't really know this in most cases until 13-15.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I talked to our GA technical director yesterday and he said they are taking a case by case view of where to put kids next year, even with August birthdays (we are in a 9-1 state) because I asked him specifically. He said they want every player to develop optimally and they have 3 choices where to put a current GA August birthday: GA senior team, GA Aspire or GA senior team of the year below.

Yea right. This post is 100% made up.

Yeah and if it isnt, sounds like a complete disaster to manage. Much simpler to set a standard and only compromise for a very few exceptional cases

It's even easier to not tell parents anything then one day present them next seasons team rosters.

And on top of that its easier for clubs if there arent any Aug anf younger players playing down a grade

Ridiculous, players can't play down. Everyone plays on age, extra special best play up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

Good luck with all that.

Instead of making things ridiculously complicated. Just implement a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school.

Do this and all the issues go away.

Or make everything stupid complicated and watch while GA implements a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school. GA will look more professional because they're not letting players play down a grade and everything will be less complicated for GA to implement.

If Aug and younger players arent good enough for the A team with their grade they should play on the B team with their grade. They'll develop faster playing up with players their grade in school.

Most clubs will put aug and younger players on their grade B team because they don't want to deal with players playing on a grade down team. But also theres likely more roster spots available on the b team and nobody will want short timers playing down a grade on A team rosters.

Please stop. The horse is dead.

Nope, finally people are starting to figure out what is going to happen. Aug parents won't "get a choice" because its not in clubs best interests. Clubs might say this now to keep players and parents engaged so they don't look at other clubs. But, when the announcements are made there wont be discussions. Reguarding Aug and younger players and where they'll land think about it from a club perspective. A teams have high demand B teams have lower demand. Either kids make the top team or they get put on the 2nd team to develop and get better. You don't put older players on a top team a grade lower team to develop. Theres too much demand for those roster spots from of age players.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

Good luck with all that.

Instead of making things ridiculously complicated. Just implement a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school.

Do this and all the issues go away.

Or make everything stupid complicated and watch while GA implements a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school. GA will look more professional because they're not letting players play down a grade and everything will be less complicated for GA to implement.

If Aug and younger players arent good enough for the A team with their grade they should play on the B team with their grade. They'll develop faster playing up with players their grade in school.

Most clubs will put aug and younger players on their grade B team because they don't want to deal with players playing on a grade down team. But also theres likely more roster spots available on the b team and nobody will want short timers playing down a grade on A team rosters.

Please stop. The horse is dead.

Nope, finally people are starting to figure out what is going to happen. Aug parents won't "get a choice" because its not in clubs best interests. Clubs might say this now to keep players and parents engaged so they don't look at other clubs. But, when the announcements are made there wont be discussions. Reguarding Aug and younger players and where they'll land think about it from a club perspective. A teams have high demand B teams have lower demand. Either kids make the top team or they get put on the 2nd team to develop and get better. You don't put older players on a top team a grade lower team to develop. Theres too much demand for those roster spots from of age players.

Ok. Looking forward to the announcement. Let’s move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

Good luck with all that.

Instead of making things ridiculously complicated. Just implement a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school.

Do this and all the issues go away.

Or make everything stupid complicated and watch while GA implements a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school. GA will look more professional because they're not letting players play down a grade and everything will be less complicated for GA to implement.

If Aug and younger players arent good enough for the A team with their grade they should play on the B team with their grade. They'll develop faster playing up with players their grade in school.

Most clubs will put aug and younger players on their grade B team because they don't want to deal with players playing on a grade down team. But also theres likely more roster spots available on the b team and nobody will want short timers playing down a grade on A team rosters.

Yes, please stop. August kids play on age but have the freedom to play up like everyone else. Mind your own business and stop trying to brow beat rules into existence that cause more problems than they solve and don't pertain to you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking through the idea that mlsnext 1 stats 1/1 and mlsnext 2 goes 8/1.

How does mlsnext 1 attract clubs to join in the future? All other clubs will be 8/1. The club would have to switch to 1/1 and there is no guarantee their new teams would be strong.

Mlsnext 2 would be totally separate from mlsnext 1. Couldn’t play them, no pathway from 2 to 1. How is that attractive to clubs to join mlsnext 2?

In that vein, 11-12 years old is about the age where kids start picking a sport; parents are also heavily assessing if the situation is right for them financially, time commitment, and logistics wise. If a SY kid is doing well up to u11-u12 and then all of the sudden has to play kids 5 months older and on the wrong side of RAE with the BY switch, they will not be as successful, all things being equal. Couple this decrease in performance (and likely enjoyment) with a ton of new travel and cost for parents, it would ultimately drive some families away. you could say, MLSN wouldn't want those kids anyway if they don't know by 10-11 years old that they know their potential and are "all in". But, in reality, kids and coaches don't really know this in most cases until 13-15.

I wonder if mlsnext will come out with an announcement, see the reaction, and then change a few months later just like the 9/1 to 8/1 cutoff. It doesn’t seem like they are thinking this through. We don’t want to change so we aren’t going to change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thinking through the idea that mlsnext 1 stats 1/1 and mlsnext 2 goes 8/1.

How does mlsnext 1 attract clubs to join in the future? All other clubs will be 8/1. The club would have to switch to 1/1 and there is no guarantee their new teams would be strong.

Mlsnext 2 would be totally separate from mlsnext 1. Couldn’t play them, no pathway from 2 to 1. How is that attractive to clubs to join mlsnext 2?

That's where ECNL will clean up. Both families and clubs as the customer base will ultimately demand a more streamlined path to competitive soccer without all the variable age cutoff nonsense. It may take a year or so at the club level, but the shift for some families will be right away (i.e. Spring season 2026).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

Good luck with all that.

Instead of making things ridiculously complicated. Just implement a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school.

Do this and all the issues go away.

Or make everything stupid complicated and watch while GA implements a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school. GA will look more professional because they're not letting players play down a grade and everything will be less complicated for GA to implement.

If Aug and younger players arent good enough for the A team with their grade they should play on the B team with their grade. They'll develop faster playing up with players their grade in school.

Most clubs will put aug and younger players on their grade B team because they don't want to deal with players playing on a grade down team. But also theres likely more roster spots available on the b team and nobody will want short timers playing down a grade on A team rosters.

People who understand RAE would suggest that being the youngest is the worst scenario for almost all kids. Unless you selfishly don't want to have to compete with older kids and are trying to shame them into playing up which is clearly your bad intention, you would get this. Kick and scream all you want, you are selfish and self centered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

Good luck with all that.

Instead of making things ridiculously complicated. Just implement a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school.

Do this and all the issues go away.

Or make everything stupid complicated and watch while GA implements a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school. GA will look more professional because they're not letting players play down a grade and everything will be less complicated for GA to implement.

If Aug and younger players arent good enough for the A team with their grade they should play on the B team with their grade. They'll develop faster playing up with players their grade in school.

Most clubs will put aug and younger players on their grade B team because they don't want to deal with players playing on a grade down team. But also theres likely more roster spots available on the b team and nobody will want short timers playing down a grade on A team rosters.

People who understand RAE would suggest that being the youngest is the worst scenario for almost all kids. Unless you selfishly don't want to have to compete with older kids and are trying to shame them into playing up which is clearly your bad intention, you would get this. Kick and scream all you want, you are selfish and self centered.

This is what B teams are designed for.

Please explain how RAE affects B teams. I'll wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thinking through the idea that mlsnext 1 stats 1/1 and mlsnext 2 goes 8/1.

How does mlsnext 1 attract clubs to join in the future? All other clubs will be 8/1. The club would have to switch to 1/1 and there is no guarantee their new teams would be strong.

Mlsnext 2 would be totally separate from mlsnext 1. Couldn’t play them, no pathway from 2 to 1. How is that attractive to clubs to join mlsnext 2?

That's where ECNL will clean up. Both families and clubs as the customer base will ultimately demand a more streamlined path to competitive soccer without all the variable age cutoff nonsense. It may take a year or so at the club level, but the shift for some families will be right away (i.e. Spring season 2026).

I’m just glad my Q4 is as old as he is, this won’t have too much of an impact on him. In the future and with very few exceptions, aug-dec will not be at mlsnext unless they are studs from a very young age.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

Good luck with all that.

Instead of making things ridiculously complicated. Just implement a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school.

Do this and all the issues go away.

Or make everything stupid complicated and watch while GA implements a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school. GA will look more professional because they're not letting players play down a grade and everything will be less complicated for GA to implement.

If Aug and younger players arent good enough for the A team with their grade they should play on the B team with their grade. They'll develop faster playing up with players their grade in school.

Most clubs will put aug and younger players on their grade B team because they don't want to deal with players playing on a grade down team. But also theres likely more roster spots available on the b team and nobody will want short timers playing down a grade on A team rosters.

Please stop. The horse is dead.

Nope, finally people are starting to figure out what is going to happen. Aug parents won't "get a choice" because its not in clubs best interests. Clubs might say this now to keep players and parents engaged so they don't look at other clubs. But, when the announcements are made there wont be discussions. Reguarding Aug and younger players and where they'll land think about it from a club perspective. A teams have high demand B teams have lower demand. Either kids make the top team or they get put on the 2nd team to develop and get better. You don't put older players on a top team a grade lower team to develop. Theres too much demand for those roster spots from of age players.

Classic wishcasting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

Good luck with all that.

Instead of making things ridiculously complicated. Just implement a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school.

Do this and all the issues go away.

Or make everything stupid complicated and watch while GA implements a rule that Aug and younger players must play with their grade in school. GA will look more professional because they're not letting players play down a grade and everything will be less complicated for GA to implement.

If Aug and younger players arent good enough for the A team with their grade they should play on the B team with their grade. They'll develop faster playing up with players their grade in school.

Most clubs will put aug and younger players on their grade B team because they don't want to deal with players playing on a grade down team. But also theres likely more roster spots available on the b team and nobody will want short timers playing down a grade on A team rosters.

Please stop. The horse is dead.

Nope, finally people are starting to figure out what is going to happen. Aug parents won't "get a choice" because its not in clubs best interests. Clubs might say this now to keep players and parents engaged so they don't look at other clubs. But, when the announcements are made there wont be discussions. Reguarding Aug and younger players and where they'll land think about it from a club perspective. A teams have high demand B teams have lower demand. Either kids make the top team or they get put on the 2nd team to develop and get better. You don't put older players on a top team a grade lower team to develop. Theres too much demand for those roster spots from of age players.

Classic wishcasting.

Classic ignoring reality