Gaza war and College Campus Protests

Anonymous
John f Kennedy was killed by the cia because he didn’t agree to the cias plan of false flags in the US to encourage war in Cuba. Google operation northwoods.

9/11 was the obvious false flag for Patriot act and war on terror (permanent war) to begin for Halliburton and friends.

If you don’t think government can kill its own citizens whether it’s the Us government or Israeli government, your head is in the clouds. Government of any kind are not your friends
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe she navigated it well at all. What an utter disappointment

What did you want her to say that she didn't say?


‘And let me be clear, I will always stand up for Israel's right to defend itself and I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself," she said

"What has happened in Gaza over the past 10 months is devastating. So many innocent lives lost, desperate hungry people fleeing for safety over and over again. The scale of suffering is heartbreaking,"

That’s what she said. Reading this you’d think the Palestinians were victims of some sort of natural disaster that just happened on them. The language used here about Israel and Palestine is very different. She is playing with words, she doesn't say the same words about Palastinian such as right to self defense, independent government and sovereignty of their lands. Also talking about being devastated by whats happening in Gaza and in the same breath talk about how you will be ensure the entity that is inflicting this to defend itself and provide arms is the gaslight i was missing in my playbook. She vowed to protect Israel. I wanted to shout at her: protect against WHO? Babies, children, women, medical workers, volunteers, teachers, journalists, geriatrics??? She speaks of the Palestinians as if they are they're victims of a natural disaster (their suffering is "heartbreaking"), rather than victims of an ongoing US-backed sl@ughter. She does so while promising unrelenting military backing for the government killing them. Not a peep about an arms embargo, not a whisper about upholding international law


And how do you propose she say that with such nuance in the context of last night's speech? I would contend that she said enough to placate the people who continue to protest, and it is certainly more than the GOP would provide.



You really don’t think she couldn’t have found a way to say this if she wanted to? When she has the top speechwriters in the country working for her? Are you serious? Did we need to hear Israel have the right to defend itself one more time? We dont even talk about America having the right to defend itself- is Israel the only country in the world that has the right to defend itself? You don’t think she could’ve said , i used to be a prosecutor and i stand for international law and that means I will stand for the right of the Israeli n Palestinian citizens to live in peace, sovereignty? Did the speech really have to be about Israel defending itself and us providing arms?


Exactly. So sick and tired of our political class regurgitating what AIPAC instructs them to say. These politicians have whored themselves out an have zero actual integrity. It's sickening.
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Or Israel has the right to defend itself.
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Anonymous wrote:I get the US supports Israel based on geopolitics/democracy etc.

But I will never understand why we as a nation with a debt/GDP ratio of 125% fiscally supports a developed country with a ratio of 60%? Why are the weapons given and not sold, it’s ridiculous.

...The weapons ARE sold. Israel pays us for them.


With funding that we appropriate for them! Did you actually not know that??? You thought they were "paying us" with their own shekels?
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Anonymous wrote:Or Israel has the right to defend itself.


Who DOESN'T have the right to defend themselves? Is Israel the only regional player that has that "right", in your one-track mind?

Why do you keep squawking about Israel and self-defense when nobody initiates more conflict with more sovereign nations than Israel? How could they posiooibly pay attention to self-defense when they're busy violating international law by attacking neighbors left and right?
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Anonymous wrote:Or Israel has the right to defend itself.


Who DOESN'T have the right to defend themselves? Is Israel the only regional player that has that "right", in your one-track mind?

Why do you keep squawking about Israel and self-defense when nobody initiates more conflict with more sovereign nations than Israel? How could they posiooibly pay attention to self-defense when they're busy violating international law by attacking neighbors left and right?


These responses illustrate why the DNC did not invite a Palestinian-American to speak at the convention. A whole lot of crazy, shooting off at the mouth.
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Anonymous wrote:Or Israel has the right to defend itself.


Who DOESN'T have the right to defend themselves? Is Israel the only regional player that has that "right", in your one-track mind?

Why do you keep squawking about Israel and self-defense when nobody initiates more conflict with more sovereign nations than Israel? How could they posiooibly pay attention to self-defense when they're busy violating international law by attacking neighbors left and right?


These responses illustrate why the DNC did not invite a Palestinian-American to speak at the convention. A whole lot of crazy, shooting off at the mouth.


That is an entirely unfair criticism of the speech:

Here Is the Speech That the Uncommitted Movement Wants to Give at the DNC
Read what Georgia State Rep. Ruwa Romman hopes to tell Democrats.

Delegates with the Uncommitted movement at the Democratic National Convention have continued pushing this week for either a Palestinian American or a doctor who has volunteered in Gaza to be allowed to speak on the main stage of the arena. There are thirty uncommitted delegates at the DNC representing the hundreds of thousands who voted uncommitted in lieu of supporting President Joe Biden’s primary campaign. They have been calling for a ceasefire and a halt to arms transfers to Israel while in Chicago. As we reported on August 1, the Uncommitted movement has also been continually requesting a speaker for the main stage.

Last night, national Democrats denied their request for a speaker. Yesterday, ceasefire delegates began a sit-in to continue pushing for a brief speaking slot tonight.

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Those concerned about the war in Gaza have been able to hold an unprecedented panel on Palestinian human rights. And at a press conference on Tuesday organized by the Uncommitted movement, doctors told heartwrenching stories of what they’ve seen. But they have not been allowed to address the convention as a whole.

On Wednesday evening, Jon Polin and Rachel Goldberg gave a moving speech from the main stage about their son Hersh Goldberg-Polin, who was taken hostage during Hamas’ attack on October 7. Uncommitted activists supported the decision to provide an opportunity for a hostage family to speak at the convention. But they believe it is also important for delegates and voters to hear from someone who can speak to the suffering in Gaza, where more than 40,000 people have been killed, according to the local health ministry.

[Related: After Denial of Speaker, Uncommitted Movement Begins Sit-In Outside DNC]

Mother Jones obtained the speech that Georgia State Rep. Ruwa Romman, a Palestinian American and Democrat, is still hoping to give.

Romman has been a vocal and prominent activist for Uncommitted. Waleed Shahid, a strategist for the movement, said that she was among a list of potential speakers given to national Democrats. Initially, the Uncommitted movement pushed for Dr. Tanya Haj-Hassan, a pediatric intensive care doctor who volunteered in Gaza, to speak. (She is not Palestinian.) Shahid said this request was denied earlier in the week. After, the movement sent a list of more names for potential speakers, including Rep. Romman. (Shahid said he heard that Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s office was pushing for a speech from Romman.)


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In an interview, Romman called herself a safe, last resort. “If an elected official in a swing state who is Palestinian cannot make it on that stage nobody else can,” she told Mother Jones.

Below, you can find the speech Romman wants to give. Uncommitted says it was open to multiple speakers. Rep. Romman and Uncommitted organizers both confirmed that this was the speech she was planning to give if allowed for a potential 2-minute speaking slot. Uncommitted said they were open to the speech being edited and vetted. They said the DNC did not ask to see the speech.

“We prepped the speech,” Romman told Mother Jones. “We don’t know why the campaign said no. We literally have no feedback. We are in the dark.”

The DNC did not respond to requests for comment in time for publication about why Romman—or another speaker—would not have been acceptable.

“I want to be clear,” Romman said. “We’ve been in negotiations for days. This did not just come up…We’ve been talking about this for at least a week. In addition, the campaign told us that not getting a ‘no’ [initially upon first hearing the request] was a really good sign. For them to give us a ‘no’ the same day that Geoff Duncan [a Republican from Georgia] was on the stage—especially when it was my name—was just absolutely a slap in the face.”

Here is the text of Romman’s speech:

My name is Ruwa Romman, and I’m honored to be the first Palestinian elected to public office in the great state of Georgia and the first Palestinian to ever speak at the Democratic National Convention. My story begins in a small village near Jerusalem, called Suba, where my dad’s family is from. My mom’s roots trace back to Al Khalil, or Hebron. My parents, born in Jordan, brought us to Georgia when I was eight, where I now live with my wonderful husband and our sweet pets.

Growing up, my grandfather and I shared a special bond. He was my partner in mischief—whether it was sneaking me sweets from the bodega or slipping a $20 into my pocket with that familiar wink and smile. He was my rock, but he passed away a few years ago, never seeing Suba or any part of Palestine again. Not a day goes by that I don’t miss him.

This past year has been especially hard. As we’ve been moral witnesses to the massacres in Gaza, I’ve thought of him, wondering if this was the pain he knew too well. When we watched Palestinians displaced from one end of the Gaza Strip to the other I wanted to ask him how he found the strength to walk all those miles decades ago and leave everything behind.

But in this pain, I’ve also witnessed something profound—a beautiful, multifaith, multiracial, and multigenerational coalition rising from despair within our Democratic Party. For 320 days, we’ve stood together, demanding to enforce our laws on friend and foe alike to reach a ceasefire, end the killing of Palestinians, free all the Israeli and Palestinian hostages, and to begin the difficult work of building a path to collective peace and safety. That’s why we are here—members of this Democratic Party committed to equal rights and dignity for all. What we do here echoes around the world.

They’ll say this is how it’s always been, that nothing can change. But remember Fannie Lou Hamer—shunned for her courage, yet she paved the way for an integrated Democratic Party. Her legacy lives on, and it’s her example we follow.

But we can’t do it alone. This historic moment is full of promise, but only if we stand together. Our party’s greatest strength has always been our ability to unite. Some see that as a weakness, but it’s time we flex that strength.

Let’s commit to each other, to electing Vice President Harris and defeating Donald Trump who uses my identity as a Palestinian as a slur. Let’s fight for the policies long overdue—from restoring access to abortions to ensuring a living wage, to demanding an end to reckless war and a ceasefire in Gaza. To those who doubt us, to the cynics and the naysayers, I say, yes we can—yes we can be a Democratic Party that prioritizes funding our schools and hospitals, not for endless wars. That fights for an America that belongs to all of us—Black, brown, and white, Jews and Palestinians, all of us, like my grandfather taught me, together.

Copyright © 2024 Mother Jones and the Foundation for National Progress. All Rights Reserved.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/08/dnc-speech-uncommitted-movement-harris-walz-ruwan-romman/

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Or Israel has the right to defend itself.


I don’t think that’s in question.

Israel has the right to defend itself just like any other nation.

You notice how Israel made extra effort to make sure Haniyeh was killed alone without Iranian civilians? They suddenly know to limit aggression when they know another army is there.

If they want a Palestinian state without an army, they’re dreaming. They have the right to defend themselves too and the defenseless and armyless West Bank is visible proof as to why they need an army like any other country for deterrence.

No settler would dream of stepping foot in Hamas led Gaza. The West Bank on the other hand was getting pushed around pre-10/7 by regular Israeli citizens not even the army.
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Anonymous wrote:Or Israel has the right to defend itself.


Who DOESN'T have the right to defend themselves? Is Israel the only regional player that has that "right", in your one-track mind?

Why do you keep squawking about Israel and self-defense when nobody initiates more conflict with more sovereign nations than Israel? How could they posiooibly pay attention to self-defense when they're busy violating international law by attacking neighbors left and right?


These responses illustrate why the DNC did not invite a Palestinian-American to speak at the convention. A whole lot of crazy, shooting off at the mouth.


DP. You can’t say they’re lying. If the only thing you can call them is crazy, then I wonder what you think of right wing male Bibi supporters punching hostages’ moms in the face and telling them they’re glad their kids died or were taken to Gaza all because they want a ceasefire.

I wonder if that’s crazy in your book as well. I wonder if Shapiro saying American citizens should be put under surveillance for protesting against Israel’s actions is crazy in your book.

This isn’t Afghanistan or the Gestapo. Playing thought police unfortunately will play into the racist Jewish stereotypes and I don’t think that’s great for Israel. Israel is not above criticism and Bibi is not exactly the shining and brilliant political mind of our time. Israel is certainly not a light upon nations and a democratic country that enjoys rule of law. It’s creeping into full blown authoritarianism just like Netanyahu wanted. Even Jewish Israelis who question the war have found the Israeli police at their door.

This is becoming one huge slippery slope to authoritarianism and a dark age for Israel if that man continues to hold on to power.
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Anonymous wrote:Kamala Harris doesn't have to remind us that Israel has a right to defend itself. We know that already. But what is happening now is not defending Israel; it's endangering Israel as much as it's endangering Palestinians. It's endangering the world. It's slaughtering innocents. And nobody can tell us the end game here. No one - not the Americans, not the Israelis - are even trying to explain why, what, how, or for how much longer. And the United States is complicit in this. I say this as a Jew. I say this as a lover of Israel. This has got to end. An American President - and a Presidential candidate - needs to say that. No more offensive weapons. Not one more. And no more covering for Israel in the United Nations unless they publicly agree to a plan for a two-state solution. I know it's not fair. I know the lies about us are unbelievable. I know the propaganda is digusting. But innocent Palestinians should not have to pay for that. I know the antisemitism is high - including on the American Left, I'm sad to say - but this war isn't helping. This war is wrong. This war has gone on too long. This war must end.


I'm not a Jew but it seems to me ..

This could be over tomorrow if Hamas unconditionally surrendered and returned the hostages.

The Israelis are not the ones standing in the way of a 2 state solution. "From the river to the sea" seems to indicate a rejection of a two state solution. The camp David accords were not rejected by Israel.

War is hell, but until the hostages are returned, I would not expect any country to stop.


Hamas offered all the hostages back in October and November and Israel refused.

If you think Israel cares about the hostages, you’re really mistaken. How did all those hostages get taken in the first place? The IDF was told to stand down and watch as tons of cars and motorbikes left the kibbutz to Gaza.

They watched and did nothing per orders.

Hamas did NOT offer all the hostages. They agreed to a deal to release women and children in exchange for Israel releasing proportionally way more Palestinian prisoners. Show me where they offered to release Noa Argamani and Israel said no. Show me where they offered to release Alex Dancyg (who they have since killed) and Israel said no.


Thank you for saying his name. Alex Dancyg is related to a friend of mine. He was a peaceful man who touched so many lives. May Hamas and its supporters rot in hell.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Or Israel has the right to defend itself.


Who DOESN'T have the right to defend themselves? Is Israel the only regional player that has that "right", in your one-track mind?

Why do you keep squawking about Israel and self-defense when nobody initiates more conflict with more sovereign nations than Israel? How could they posiooibly pay attention to self-defense when they're busy violating international law by attacking neighbors left and right?


These responses illustrate why the DNC did not invite a Palestinian-American to speak at the convention. A whole lot of crazy, shooting off at the mouth.


Or as honest people say, facts.
Anonymous
Rashida Talib should’ve spoke along with Chuck Schumer. That wouldve been a nice moment of solidarity.
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Anonymous wrote:Or Israel has the right to defend itself.


Who DOESN'T have the right to defend themselves? Is Israel the only regional player that has that "right", in your one-track mind?

Why do you keep squawking about Israel and self-defense when nobody initiates more conflict with more sovereign nations than Israel? How could they posiooibly pay attention to self-defense when they're busy violating international law by attacking neighbors left and right?


These responses illustrate why the DNC did not invite a Palestinian-American to speak at the convention. A whole lot of crazy, shooting off at the mouth.


The DNC did not invite a Palestinian-American to speak at the convention because the DNC, just like almost everyone else in our political class, has already whored itself out to AIPAC.
Anonymous
When I worked in a daycare at a hospital years ago in college, it was amazing how the Jewish and Arab toddlers were always drawn to each other. My coworker and I would always marvel at how Muslim and Jewish kids especially always held hands.

The parents even packed similar lunches for them. This happened all the time
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They also hated to share toys. We had the hardest time getting them to share. The parents would tell us they give them the toys at home to stop the tantrums.

I’m not sure if this all means anything but in my experience, this is what I saw. The Jewish and Arab doctors told me the friendship isn’t unique to kids and that in med school, they also got along the most.


I think maybe the answer is Jewish American and Palestinian American should lead both countries? People from both nations raised there are too rigid and only understand hatred of the other side. Americans don’t have that experience
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