Gaza war and College Campus Protests

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder why Hamas did not kill 1/4 of the hostages when Israel assassinated Ismail Haniyeh?

They want the hostages alive to bribe Israel. The point was never to waste money feeding hostages just to kill them. They want them alive so they can tell their story about fearing Israeli bombs and about how “nice” Hamas is.
Stockholm Syndrome for sure has a hold on all the hostages. They’ve come to see Hamas as “protectors from Israel”

Hamas is psychologically more clever than Israel is right now. That’s why we see the failure of Israeli PR right now. They don’t realize the way to get to Hamas is all by playing a similar psychological game with Gazans. “hey, look at how they keep the hostages warm and fed and safe in the tunnels underground while you’re up there as human shields”.

There’s an easy argument to be made to dismantle Hamas for failure but Israel refuses to engage with Palestinians verbally or through dialogue. It’s just carpet bomb after carpet bomb. That helps Hamas

...This is not what hostages have been saying after they have been released/rescued.

What ever the Israel state pushes out is propaganda. The state of Israel has threaten the released hostages and families.

Are you really insane?

You are naive. Israelis hate the hostages and specially the families. If you had any connection to Israel you would know this.

All Israelis hate the hostages and their families? What is wrong with you?

Try reading from Israeli sources. The hate is real. Why else would they let the hostages rot? The hostages are labeled as leftist and the families as disloyal to Israel. Those are the more civilized attacks.

You are full of it. Stop lying. Have family there, out protesting and attending vigils every weekend for the hostages murdered by Hamas and the ones they hope are still alive.

Yes and those hostage families are attacked. This was back in May. It is much worst now. Israel is firmly against releasing the hostages. As long as there are hostages dead or alive the genocide continues. So stop your lying and propaganda.

Police charge right-wing activists with assaulting bereaved father at hostage rally
Indictment says Shimon Biton and Uri Harush beat and wounded Gadi Kedem, who lost his daughter and her family on October 7
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The police charged Shimon Biton, 63, and Uri Harush, 43, with attacking and injuring an elderly person after the two men attacked 65-year-old Kedem, who was subsequently taken to the hospital by medics.

The fight broke out on Saturday at the weekly protest in Tel Aviv calling for the immediate return of the hostages being held by terrorists in Gaza.
Police initially questioned Kedem under caution over the incident, with him saying his attackers went free.
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According to the indictment, Biton and Harush were among a group of right-wing activists who had shown up at the Saturday protest to oppose the demonstrators.

Police charged that during the face-off, another right-wing activist named Avraham Sa’ad pushed Kedem’s wife, Reuma, who was holding onto his sign. As he pushed her, Sa’ad called Reuma a traitor and said: “It’s good they murdered your children, leftist traitor.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/police-charge-right-wing-activists-with-assaulting-bereaved-father-at-hostage-rally/

I suspect this is what Hamas wanted. Divisions inside Israel over what to do about the hostages.

I think Israel’s war style isn’t really conducive for saving hostages on the ground. They’ve only saved about 4 in almost a year which tells me they almost never confront Hamas at all in gun
Battle so most Of Their kills are civilians.

I’m not sure why they don’t get on the ground and ask if anyone knows where hostages are because if Hamas is inside the refugee tent camps like they claim, Wouldn’t hostages be there as well?

So you want to send soldiers on the ground to be in the center of people who want them harm? Why don't you get on the ground, since you are that wise, and ask them if they know where the hostages are?

Yes. That’s what being a soldier or even a cop is all about. Jesus Christ, they are that scared of Palestinians? They don’t have any arms or even any food. They’re in camps. They’re scared of 5 year olds?

What a sissy army.

They can’t be all bad ass and all Krav Maga if they can’t do ground operations. No war is ever won without a ground game. If they can’t do door to door combat or intelligence, they can’t even call themselves an army. They’re just an Air Force

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You act like the IDF don’t have bullet proof vests, armor, and aren’t armed to the teeth and with backup. They can even dress as civilians and nobody will tell the difference or that they aren’t Palestinian.

What booby trap or mine are they afraid of? Obviously if kids are playing there and civilians are there, Hamas can’t possibly have a mine or underground booby trap there.

The IDF is too paralyzed by fear to be a real army

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That’s why they let the country almost get overrun by foot soldiers with 200 dollar weapons on 10/7.

The entire region of their enemies now know ground offensives are the IDF’s weak spot because it’s a paper giant and only an Air Force military. They have zero ground game

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Anonymous wrote:There goes Michigan.

Hundred bucks says she’s going to win Michigan.

I’m not sure why people think the Arab vote is the only swing vote in Michigan.

White women are the biggest swing vote for any election and it will also rely on them.

Arabs and white women voted for Gretchen Whitmer a few years ago.

Whether these swing Michigan voters vote for Trump or not, (and I wouldn’t exclude African Americans either as apparently there are a few more voting for Trump upset about illegal immigration) it won’t all be down to the very minimal Arab population. The Arab population of Michigan is really only centered around 2 areas: Dearborn and the Detroit metro

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I get the US supports Israel based on geopolitics/democracy etc.

But I will never understand why we as a nation with a debt/GDP ratio of 125% fiscally supports a developed country with a ratio of 60%? Why are the weapons given and not sold, it’s ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe she navigated it well at all. What an utter disappointment

What did you want her to say that she didn't say?

‘And let me be clear, I will always stand up for Israel's right to defend itself and I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself," she said

"What has happened in Gaza over the past 10 months is devastating. So many innocent lives lost, desperate hungry people fleeing for safety over and over again. The scale of suffering is heartbreaking,"

That’s what she said. Reading this you’d think the Palestinians were victims of some sort of natural disaster that just happened on them. The language used here about Israel and Palestine is very different. She is playing with words, she doesn't say the same words about Palastinian such as right to self defense, independent government and sovereignty of their lands. Also talking about being devastated by whats happening in Gaza and in the same breath talk about how you will be ensure the entity that is inflicting this to defend itself and provide arms is the gaslight i was missing in my playbook. She vowed to protect Israel. I wanted to shout at her: protect against WHO? Babies, children, women, medical workers, volunteers, teachers, journalists, geriatrics??? She speaks of the Palestinians as if they are they're victims of a natural disaster (their suffering is "heartbreaking"), rather than victims of an ongoing US-backed sl@ughter. She does so while promising unrelenting military backing for the government killing them. Not a peep about an arms embargo, not a whisper about upholding international law

+100 Why do we as a nation have to protect and save Israel?

because it is a historic moral obligation rooted in WW2

And they have their country and the best defense safety nets and social safety nets in the world. What now?

Their interest is Iran but that goes against US national interest.

Iran obviously doesn’t want war with the US either.

So, what do we do? Invade anyway because Israel tells us so?

False flag in US to push Americans to have the proper bloodthirst and voracious appetite to invade Iran or kill Palestinians?

What’s the next shoe to drop?

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Anonymous wrote:I get the US supports Israel based on geopolitics/democracy etc.

But I will never understand why we as a nation with a debt/GDP ratio of 125% fiscally supports a developed country with a ratio of 60%? Why are the weapons given and not sold, it’s ridiculous.

I do not understand it geopolitically or as a so called “democracy” that does not allow non Jews the same rights. The really question is why the US government is forcing one religion on the Middle East.

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Anonymous wrote:I get the US supports Israel based on geopolitics/democracy etc.

But I will never understand why we as a nation with a debt/GDP ratio of 125% fiscally supports a developed country with a ratio of 60%? Why are the weapons given and not sold, it’s ridiculous.

Because they’re Gods chosen people and they don’t have to follow the rules. You do. Hitler was the first mass murderer in human history. Nobody else died in WW2

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Anonymous wrote:I get the US supports Israel based on geopolitics/democracy etc.

But I will never understand why we as a nation with a debt/GDP ratio of 125% fiscally supports a developed country with a ratio of 60%? Why are the weapons given and not sold, it’s ridiculous.

I do not understand it geopolitically or as a so called “democracy” that does not allow non Jews the same rights. The really question is why the US government is forcing one religion on the Middle East.

Simple, look at the alternative which is Hamas. This is an easy choice for the US government.

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Anonymous wrote:I get the US supports Israel based on geopolitics/democracy etc.

But I will never understand why we as a nation with a debt/GDP ratio of 125% fiscally supports a developed country with a ratio of 60%? Why are the weapons given and not sold, it’s ridiculous.

I do not understand it geopolitically or as a so called “democracy” that does not allow non Jews the same rights. The really question is why the US government is forcing one religion on the Middle East.

Muslims make up 93% of the religion in the Middle East.

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Dont worry about Americans/Allied forces displacing 12 million Germans and killing millions of Germans in camps, don’t worry about Hiroshima-the first nuclear bomb, don’t worry about Joseph Stalin killing more than 10 million Russians.

All of those things are ancillary

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The state of Israel matters more because they’re Gods promise and their deaths matter more because they’re Gods chosen.

The German deaths, Russian deaths, Iraqi deaths, American deaths. Palestinian deaths are just footnotes and not as relevant

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe she navigated it well at all. What an utter disappointment

What did you want her to say that she didn't say?

‘And let me be clear, I will always stand up for Israel's right to defend itself and I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself," she said

"What has happened in Gaza over the past 10 months is devastating. So many innocent lives lost, desperate hungry people fleeing for safety over and over again. The scale of suffering is heartbreaking,"

That’s what she said. Reading this you’d think the Palestinians were victims of some sort of natural disaster that just happened on them. The language used here about Israel and Palestine is very different. She is playing with words, she doesn't say the same words about Palastinian such as right to self defense, independent government and sovereignty of their lands. Also talking about being devastated by whats happening in Gaza and in the same breath talk about how you will be ensure the entity that is inflicting this to defend itself and provide arms is the gaslight i was missing in my playbook. She vowed to protect Israel. I wanted to shout at her: protect against WHO? Babies, children, women, medical workers, volunteers, teachers, journalists, geriatrics??? She speaks of the Palestinians as if they are they're victims of a natural disaster (their suffering is "heartbreaking"), rather than victims of an ongoing US-backed sl@ughter. She does so while promising unrelenting military backing for the government killing them. Not a peep about an arms embargo, not a whisper about upholding international law

+100 Why do we as a nation have to protect and save Israel?

because it is a historic moral obligation rooted in WW2

What is that? Did the US do something in WW2 where we have to guarantee Israel existence and never has pay a price for their actions? We have as much moral obligation to Israel as we have to the Palestinians. Which is none.

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Anonymous wrote:I get the US supports Israel based on geopolitics/democracy etc.

But I will never understand why we as a nation with a debt/GDP ratio of 125% fiscally supports a developed country with a ratio of 60%? Why are the weapons given and not sold, it’s ridiculous.

I do not understand it geopolitically or as a so called “democracy” that does not allow non Jews the same rights. The really question is why the US government is forcing one religion on the Middle East.

Muslims make up 93% of the religion in the Middle East.

Yes but the US is not supporting Muslims only Israel. In fact the US is against all Muslim even in the US because of Israel. Israel wants everything but for free. By free we all know that means the US paying the price and Israel hates us.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe she navigated it well at all. What an utter disappointment

What did you want her to say that she didn't say?

‘And let me be clear, I will always stand up for Israel's right to defend itself and I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself," she said

"What has happened in Gaza over the past 10 months is devastating. So many innocent lives lost, desperate hungry people fleeing for safety over and over again. The scale of suffering is heartbreaking,"

That’s what she said. Reading this you’d think the Palestinians were victims of some sort of natural disaster that just happened on them. The language used here about Israel and Palestine is very different. She is playing with words, she doesn't say the same words about Palastinian such as right to self defense, independent government and sovereignty of their lands. Also talking about being devastated by whats happening in Gaza and in the same breath talk about how you will be ensure the entity that is inflicting this to defend itself and provide arms is the gaslight i was missing in my playbook. She vowed to protect Israel. I wanted to shout at her: protect against WHO? Babies, children, women, medical workers, volunteers, teachers, journalists, geriatrics??? She speaks of the Palestinians as if they are they're victims of a natural disaster (their suffering is "heartbreaking"), rather than victims of an ongoing US-backed sl@ughter. She does so while promising unrelenting military backing for the government killing them. Not a peep about an arms embargo, not a whisper about upholding international law

Palestinians have the right to self defense too. We see what happens when they don’t (West Bank).

If Israel didn’t build one settlement in the West Bank, maybe Palestinians would’ve taken the Camp David Accords deal in 2000 but settlements were built by Bibi starting in 1996. The Oslo accords and camp David accords were about allowing an army-less Palestinian state without water rights and limited trade. Who would ever agree to that?

Even Israeli leaders said if they were Palestinian they wouldn’t have taken that deal.

Iran scares Israel because it is similarly coy and secretive about its uranium enrichment. They know Iran won’t ever nuke them. But if Palestinians have a friend that has nukes, that’s bad and right now they have 3 (Russia, Iran, China)..

Israel doesn’t like the balance of power changing and wants the Us and Israel to have hegemony over the entire region but at what cost? WW3?