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Anonymous wrote:An instagrammer I follow us having pregnancy complications. A very much wanted pregnancy that may not work out. She talked about likelihood of miscarrying and all I thought is I am glad she doesnt live in TX or OK or LA. She talked openly about last time this happened needing medication (I assume to help pass the fetus) and almost required a surgical procedure if that didnt work (aka abortion). She talked about how emotional it was. To think someone in TX could sue her over this is sickening

I wish things like this were more well known.

The women who have had abortions, or who have had to have abortions, or who TFMR should all be speaking up.

Or someone should be leaking the info of the forced birthers who have done the above.

I realize clinic staff can’t leak this because of HIPPA, but I wish someone would.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet pro lifers have those signs all over black areas about how the most unsafe place for a black baby is in the womb due to abortion- like they even care

Do you think it's better to abort Black and Hispanic babies with no limitations at all?

DP here. I think it's better for Black, Latina, Chicana, Indigenous, you name it women to have the freedom to make decisions about what is best for themselves and their families. I don't think I know what's best, nor do I think you know.

I know, and I think you know, that far too many Black and Hispanic babies are aborted.

You sound patronizing. Why do you think Black and Hispanic women shouldn't have control over their bodies? Feeling nostalgic for the good old days when white men had control over Black women's bodies?

Your lack of concrn for the destruction of babies who are Black or Hispanic is disturbing. If someone like Trump were encouraging Black and Hispanic moms to abort their babies or applauding their choices to do so, I don't think you'd be dismissive of what's happening.

Allowing women liberty isn't the same as encouraging anything...but I think you know that.

If Trump said he didn't care how many Black and Hispanic babies were aborted, many men and women would be using his words as an example of racism. ..but I think you know that.

Well for one, babies are not aborted,’white, black, or otherwise.

Yes, they are aborted. You can also use the words suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc.

Embryos and fetuses are suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc. when the women carrying them decide they do not want to be pregnant, as is their right (for now).

Babies are separate beings not embedded in another human being's body, and therefore not a part of this discussion at all.

Depends on your definition of ‘is’ is, amirite? Is a thing halfway out of a womb a baby or a fetus at that point?

The religious extremists that now run the GOP and the religious tribunal that we used to call the Supreme Court are banning abortion at all points and for any and all reasons. You can quit with your sad little red herring; women will die. Know that this blood is on your hands.

Exactly.

The Court itself is not banning abortion, but it appears that it would permit states to ban abortion. All in the name of democracy, of course. But what the Court appears to be saying is that there are no Constitutional limits on state abortion laws. In another words, under the US Constitution, a state could force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term, even in case of rape or life of mother. Whether a state would do so is not relevant. No Constitutional limits, apparently. And we actually know that several states are considering such laws. So, the Court apparently is saying that a form of slavery is okay under our Constitution.

This is exactly what they’re saying. Women will be enslaved to the religious beliefs of crazy extremists. And, at least in the version Alito leaked because he was so proud of it, women can’t have rights because we didn’t always have rights.

I wonder if Clarence Thomas understands what his colleagues think of him or if he’s just happy to be a part of the leopards eating faces movement and thinks it won’t affect him.

The odd thing is that by the text of Alito's majority draft, SCOTUS can easily overturn Loving and invalidate Thomas' marriage. The right to marry other races was NOT legal prior to Loving and the language of Alito's draft says that citizens are not entitled to that right because it wasn't originally a right. Blacks had no right to marry whites.

That is as ridiculous as overturning Roe.

You’re on page 240 and you’re still pretending that the GOP isn’t going after abortion, birth control and women’s rights? Lol. Okay. You’re obviously one to be taken seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet pro lifers have those signs all over black areas about how the most unsafe place for a black baby is in the womb due to abortion- like they even care

Do you think it's better to abort Black and Hispanic babies with no limitations at all?

DP here. I think it's better for Black, Latina, Chicana, Indigenous, you name it women to have the freedom to make decisions about what is best for themselves and their families. I don't think I know what's best, nor do I think you know.

I know, and I think you know, that far too many Black and Hispanic babies are aborted.

You sound patronizing. Why do you think Black and Hispanic women shouldn't have control over their bodies? Feeling nostalgic for the good old days when white men had control over Black women's bodies?

Your lack of concrn for the destruction of babies who are Black or Hispanic is disturbing. If someone like Trump were encouraging Black and Hispanic moms to abort their babies or applauding their choices to do so, I don't think you'd be dismissive of what's happening.

Allowing women liberty isn't the same as encouraging anything...but I think you know that.

If Trump said he didn't care how many Black and Hispanic babies were aborted, many men and women would be using his words as an example of racism. ..but I think you know that.

Well for one, babies are not aborted,’white, black, or otherwise.

Yes, they are aborted. You can also use the words suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc.

Embryos and fetuses are suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc. when the women carrying them decide they do not want to be pregnant, as is their right (for now).

Babies are separate beings not embedded in another human being's body, and therefore not a part of this discussion at all.

Depends on your definition of ‘is’ is, amirite? Is a thing halfway out of a womb a baby or a fetus at that point?

The religious extremists that now run the GOP and the religious tribunal that we used to call the Supreme Court are banning abortion at all points and for any and all reasons. You can quit with your sad little red herring; women will die. Know that this blood is on your hands.

Exactly.

The Court itself is not banning abortion, but it appears that it would permit states to ban abortion. All in the name of democracy, of course. But what the Court appears to be saying is that there are no Constitutional limits on state abortion laws. In another words, under the US Constitution, a state could force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term, even in case of rape or life of mother. Whether a state would do so is not relevant. No Constitutional limits, apparently. And we actually know that several states are considering such laws. So, the Court apparently is saying that a form of slavery is okay under our Constitution.

This is exactly what they’re saying. Women will be enslaved to the religious beliefs of crazy extremists. And, at least in the version Alito leaked because he was so proud of it, women can’t have rights because we didn’t always have rights.

I wonder if Clarence Thomas understands what his colleagues think of him or if he’s just happy to be a part of the leopards eating faces movement and thinks it won’t affect him.

The odd thing is that by the text of Alito's majority draft, SCOTUS can easily overturn Loving and invalidate Thomas' marriage. The right to marry other races was NOT legal prior to Loving and the language of Alito's draft says that citizens are not entitled to that right because it wasn't originally a right. Blacks had no right to marry whites.

That is as ridiculous as overturning Roe.

You’re on page 240 and you’re still pretending that the GOP isn’t going after abortion, birth control and women’s rights? Lol. Okay. You’re obviously one to be taken seriously.

If they think they are stripping this right away they are very mistaken. This battle continues and needs to be fought all over by getting representation for women's rights on the SCOTUS. As long as that takes it takes. In the mean time, we are back to dangerous illegal procedures in many areas. It is terrible.

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It's amazing how badly Trump screwed the women of this country. None of the Republican presidents since the 80s, including Reagan, had a problem with abortion rights until the GOP started realizing they needed to cater to evangelicals to get elected. Then, they all changed their position. Including Trump. Also, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and ACB are the world's biggest liars. We have three pathological liars with lifetime appointments. This country is so screwed.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet pro lifers have those signs all over black areas about how the most unsafe place for a black baby is in the womb due to abortion- like they even care

Do you think it's better to abort Black and Hispanic babies with no limitations at all?

DP here. I think it's better for Black, Latina, Chicana, Indigenous, you name it women to have the freedom to make decisions about what is best for themselves and their families. I don't think I know what's best, nor do I think you know.

I know, and I think you know, that far too many Black and Hispanic babies are aborted.

You sound patronizing. Why do you think Black and Hispanic women shouldn't have control over their bodies? Feeling nostalgic for the good old days when white men had control over Black women's bodies?

Your lack of concrn for the destruction of babies who are Black or Hispanic is disturbing. If someone like Trump were encouraging Black and Hispanic moms to abort their babies or applauding their choices to do so, I don't think you'd be dismissive of what's happening.

Allowing women liberty isn't the same as encouraging anything...but I think you know that.

If Trump said he didn't care how many Black and Hispanic babies were aborted, many men and women would be using his words as an example of racism. ..but I think you know that.

Well for one, babies are not aborted,’white, black, or otherwise.

Yes, they are aborted. You can also use the words suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc.

Embryos and fetuses are suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc. when the women carrying them decide they do not want to be pregnant, as is their right (for now).

Babies are separate beings not embedded in another human being's body, and therefore not a part of this discussion at all.

You are welcome to minimize what occurs, so that the process is more palatable to think about. When women become pregnant, there is a growing baby inside.

What are you 7 years old? Don't take something messy and complicated and dangerous and extremely personal and use for your childish fantasy land.

Whether you are pro abortion or opposed, the only people living in fantasyland are those who try to deny that a baby is growing and developing inside its mother.

You thinking you are involved in this issue concerning my daughter's uterus
is fantasyland. This does not and will not concern you.

You know perfectly well that everyone is entitled to an opinion on a topic. Deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how badly Trump screwed the women of this country. None of the Republican presidents since the 80s, including Reagan, had a problem with abortion rights until the GOP started realizing they needed to cater to evangelicals to get elected. Then, they all changed their position. Including Trump. Also, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and ACB are the world's biggest liars. We have three pathological liars with lifetime appointments. This country is so screwed.

That tiny hands con artist will be gone one day but this fight will not.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet pro lifers have those signs all over black areas about how the most unsafe place for a black baby is in the womb due to abortion- like they even care

Do you think it's better to abort Black and Hispanic babies with no limitations at all?

DP here. I think it's better for Black, Latina, Chicana, Indigenous, you name it women to have the freedom to make decisions about what is best for themselves and their families. I don't think I know what's best, nor do I think you know.

I know, and I think you know, that far too many Black and Hispanic babies are aborted.

You sound patronizing. Why do you think Black and Hispanic women shouldn't have control over their bodies? Feeling nostalgic for the good old days when white men had control over Black women's bodies?

Your lack of concrn for the destruction of babies who are Black or Hispanic is disturbing. If someone like Trump were encouraging Black and Hispanic moms to abort their babies or applauding their choices to do so, I don't think you'd be dismissive of what's happening.

Allowing women liberty isn't the same as encouraging anything...but I think you know that.

If Trump said he didn't care how many Black and Hispanic babies were aborted, many men and women would be using his words as an example of racism. ..but I think you know that.

Well for one, babies are not aborted,’white, black, or otherwise.

Yes, they are aborted. You can also use the words suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc.

Embryos and fetuses are suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc. when the women carrying them decide they do not want to be pregnant, as is their right (for now).

Babies are separate beings not embedded in another human being's body, and therefore not a part of this discussion at all.

You are welcome to minimize what occurs, so that the process is more palatable to think about. When women become pregnant, there is a growing baby inside.

What are you 7 years old? Don't take something messy and complicated and dangerous and extremely personal and use for your childish fantasy land.

Whether you are pro abortion or opposed, the only people living in fantasyland are those who try to deny that a baby is growing and developing inside its mother.

You thinking you are involved in this issue concerning my daughter's uterus
is fantasyland. This does not and will not concern you.

You know perfectly well that everyone is entitled to an opinion on a topic. Deal with it.

Your opinion will have no bearing on the choices most women will make.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet pro lifers have those signs all over black areas about how the most unsafe place for a black baby is in the womb due to abortion- like they even care

Do you think it's better to abort Black and Hispanic babies with no limitations at all?

DP here. I think it's better for Black, Latina, Chicana, Indigenous, you name it women to have the freedom to make decisions about what is best for themselves and their families. I don't think I know what's best, nor do I think you know.

I know, and I think you know, that far too many Black and Hispanic babies are aborted.

You sound patronizing. Why do you think Black and Hispanic women shouldn't have control over their bodies? Feeling nostalgic for the good old days when white men had control over Black women's bodies?

Your lack of concrn for the destruction of babies who are Black or Hispanic is disturbing. If someone like Trump were encouraging Black and Hispanic moms to abort their babies or applauding their choices to do so, I don't think you'd be dismissive of what's happening.

Allowing women liberty isn't the same as encouraging anything...but I think you know that.

If Trump said he didn't care how many Black and Hispanic babies were aborted, many men and women would be using his words as an example of racism. ..but I think you know that.

Well for one, babies are not aborted,’white, black, or otherwise.

Yes, they are aborted. You can also use the words suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc.

Embryos and fetuses are suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc. when the women carrying them decide they do not want to be pregnant, as is their right (for now).

Babies are separate beings not embedded in another human being's body, and therefore not a part of this discussion at all.

Depends on your definition of ‘is’ is, amirite? Is a thing halfway out of a womb a baby or a fetus at that point?

The religious extremists that now run the GOP and the religious tribunal that we used to call the Supreme Court are banning abortion at all points and for any and all reasons. You can quit with your sad little red herring; women will die. Know that this blood is on your hands.

Exactly.

The Court itself is not banning abortion, but it appears that it would permit states to ban abortion. All in the name of democracy, of course. But what the Court appears to be saying is that there are no Constitutional limits on state abortion laws. In another words, under the US Constitution, a state could force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term, even in case of rape or life of mother. Whether a state would do so is not relevant. No Constitutional limits, apparently. And we actually know that several states are considering such laws. So, the Court apparently is saying that a form of slavery is okay under our Constitution.

You were doing fine until you equated protecting unborn children to slavery. Any argument for abortion that does not factor in the life of the unborn child is not going to be meaningful.

BS. A child does not exist until it is born. Sorry. You may hold that religious view, and you are entitled to hold it. You are not entitled to force your religious views on others. The Constitution at its adoption did not protect blacks or women, and certainly did not protect fetuses. Reversing Roe means a state, under the US Constitution, can force women to carry a pregnancy to term. That is a form of slavery.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet pro lifers have those signs all over black areas about how the most unsafe place for a black baby is in the womb due to abortion- like they even care

Do you think it's better to abort Black and Hispanic babies with no limitations at all?

DP here. I think it's better for Black, Latina, Chicana, Indigenous, you name it women to have the freedom to make decisions about what is best for themselves and their families. I don't think I know what's best, nor do I think you know.

I know, and I think you know, that far too many Black and Hispanic babies are aborted.

You sound patronizing. Why do you think Black and Hispanic women shouldn't have control over their bodies? Feeling nostalgic for the good old days when white men had control over Black women's bodies?

Your lack of concrn for the destruction of babies who are Black or Hispanic is disturbing. If someone like Trump were encouraging Black and Hispanic moms to abort their babies or applauding their choices to do so, I don't think you'd be dismissive of what's happening.

Allowing women liberty isn't the same as encouraging anything...but I think you know that.

If Trump said he didn't care how many Black and Hispanic babies were aborted, many men and women would be using his words as an example of racism. ..but I think you know that.

Well for one, babies are not aborted,’white, black, or otherwise.

Yes, they are aborted. You can also use the words suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc.

Embryos and fetuses are suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc. when the women carrying them decide they do not want to be pregnant, as is their right (for now).

Babies are separate beings not embedded in another human being's body, and therefore not a part of this discussion at all.

You are welcome to minimize what occurs, so that the process is more palatable to think about. When women become pregnant, there is a growing baby inside.

What are you 7 years old? Don't take something messy and complicated and dangerous and extremely personal and use for your childish fantasy land.

Whether you are pro abortion or opposed, the only people living in fantasyland are those who try to deny that a baby is growing and developing inside its mother.

You thinking you are involved in this issue concerning my daughter's uterus
is fantasyland. This does not and will not concern you.

You know perfectly well that everyone is entitled to an opinion on a topic. Deal with it.

Your opinion will have no bearing on the choices most women will make.

I get that you think you have all the answers.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet pro lifers have those signs all over black areas about how the most unsafe place for a black baby is in the womb due to abortion- like they even care

Do you think it's better to abort Black and Hispanic babies with no limitations at all?

DP here. I think it's better for Black, Latina, Chicana, Indigenous, you name it women to have the freedom to make decisions about what is best for themselves and their families. I don't think I know what's best, nor do I think you know.

I know, and I think you know, that far too many Black and Hispanic babies are aborted.

You sound patronizing. Why do you think Black and Hispanic women shouldn't have control over their bodies? Feeling nostalgic for the good old days when white men had control over Black women's bodies?

Your lack of concrn for the destruction of babies who are Black or Hispanic is disturbing. If someone like Trump were encouraging Black and Hispanic moms to abort their babies or applauding their choices to do so, I don't think you'd be dismissive of what's happening.

Allowing women liberty isn't the same as encouraging anything...but I think you know that.

If Trump said he didn't care how many Black and Hispanic babies were aborted, many men and women would be using his words as an example of racism. ..but I think you know that.

Well for one, babies are not aborted,’white, black, or otherwise.

Yes, they are aborted. You can also use the words suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc.

Embryos and fetuses are suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc. when the women carrying them decide they do not want to be pregnant, as is their right (for now).

Babies are separate beings not embedded in another human being's body, and therefore not a part of this discussion at all.

You are welcome to minimize what occurs, so that the process is more palatable to think about. When women become pregnant, there is a growing baby inside.

What are you 7 years old? Don't take something messy and complicated and dangerous and extremely personal and use for your childish fantasy land.

Whether you are pro abortion or opposed, the only people living in fantasyland are those who try to deny that a baby is growing and developing inside its mother.

You thinking you are involved in this issue concerning my daughter's uterus
is fantasyland. This does not and will not concern you.

You know perfectly well that everyone is entitled to an opinion on a topic. Deal with it.

Your opinion will have no bearing on the choices most women will make.

I get that you think you have all the answers.

I have the answers for me as I should have. Your answers for you are none of my business.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet pro lifers have those signs all over black areas about how the most unsafe place for a black baby is in the womb due to abortion- like they even care

Do you think it's better to abort Black and Hispanic babies with no limitations at all?

DP here. I think it's better for Black, Latina, Chicana, Indigenous, you name it women to have the freedom to make decisions about what is best for themselves and their families. I don't think I know what's best, nor do I think you know.

I know, and I think you know, that far too many Black and Hispanic babies are aborted.

You sound patronizing. Why do you think Black and Hispanic women shouldn't have control over their bodies? Feeling nostalgic for the good old days when white men had control over Black women's bodies?

Your lack of concrn for the destruction of babies who are Black or Hispanic is disturbing. If someone like Trump were encouraging Black and Hispanic moms to abort their babies or applauding their choices to do so, I don't think you'd be dismissive of what's happening.

Allowing women liberty isn't the same as encouraging anything...but I think you know that.

If Trump said he didn't care how many Black and Hispanic babies were aborted, many men and women would be using his words as an example of racism. ..but I think you know that.

Well for one, babies are not aborted,’white, black, or otherwise.

Yes, they are aborted. You can also use the words suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc.

Embryos and fetuses are suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc. when the women carrying them decide they do not want to be pregnant, as is their right (for now).

Babies are separate beings not embedded in another human being's body, and therefore not a part of this discussion at all.

Depends on your definition of ‘is’ is, amirite? Is a thing halfway out of a womb a baby or a fetus at that point?

The religious extremists that now run the GOP and the religious tribunal that we used to call the Supreme Court are banning abortion at all points and for any and all reasons. You can quit with your sad little red herring; women will die. Know that this blood is on your hands.

Exactly.

The Court itself is not banning abortion, but it appears that it would permit states to ban abortion. All in the name of democracy, of course. But what the Court appears to be saying is that there are no Constitutional limits on state abortion laws. In another words, under the US Constitution, a state could force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term, even in case of rape or life of mother. Whether a state would do so is not relevant. No Constitutional limits, apparently. And we actually know that several states are considering such laws. So, the Court apparently is saying that a form of slavery is okay under our Constitution.

You were doing fine until you equated protecting unborn children to slavery. Any argument for abortion that does not factor in the life of the unborn child is not going to be meaningful.

BS. A child does not exist until it is born. Sorry. You may hold that religious view, and you are entitled to hold it. You are not entitled to force your religious views on others. The Constitution at its adoption did not protect blacks or women, and certainly did not protect fetuses. Reversing Roe means a state, under the US Constitution, can force women to carry a pregnancy to term. That is a form of slavery.

This. It has been decided that women and POC are actually human beings deserving of rights now.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet pro lifers have those signs all over black areas about how the most unsafe place for a black baby is in the womb due to abortion- like they even care

Do you think it's better to abort Black and Hispanic babies with no limitations at all?

DP here. I think it's better for Black, Latina, Chicana, Indigenous, you name it women to have the freedom to make decisions about what is best for themselves and their families. I don't think I know what's best, nor do I think you know.

I know, and I think you know, that far too many Black and Hispanic babies are aborted.

You sound patronizing. Why do you think Black and Hispanic women shouldn't have control over their bodies? Feeling nostalgic for the good old days when white men had control over Black women's bodies?

Your lack of concrn for the destruction of babies who are Black or Hispanic is disturbing. If someone like Trump were encouraging Black and Hispanic moms to abort their babies or applauding their choices to do so, I don't think you'd be dismissive of what's happening.

Allowing women liberty isn't the same as encouraging anything...but I think you know that.

If Trump said he didn't care how many Black and Hispanic babies were aborted, many men and women would be using his words as an example of racism. ..but I think you know that.

Well for one, babies are not aborted,’white, black, or otherwise.

Yes, they are aborted. You can also use the words suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc.

Embryos and fetuses are suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc. when the women carrying them decide they do not want to be pregnant, as is their right (for now).

Babies are separate beings not embedded in another human being's body, and therefore not a part of this discussion at all.

You are welcome to minimize what occurs, so that the process is more palatable to think about. When women become pregnant, there is a growing baby inside.

What are you 7 years old? Don't take something messy and complicated and dangerous and extremely personal and use for your childish fantasy land.

Whether you are pro abortion or opposed, the only people living in fantasyland are those who try to deny that a baby is growing and developing inside its mother.

You thinking you are involved in this issue concerning my daughter's uterus
is fantasyland. This does not and will not concern you.

You know perfectly well that everyone is entitled to an opinion on a topic. Deal with it.

Your opinion will have no bearing on the choices most women will make.

I get that you think you have all the answers.

I have the answers for me as I should have. Your answers for you are none of my business.

You're expressing your opinion, and I'm expressing mine. The laws are what count.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet pro lifers have those signs all over black areas about how the most unsafe place for a black baby is in the womb due to abortion- like they even care

Do you think it's better to abort Black and Hispanic babies with no limitations at all?

DP here. I think it's better for Black, Latina, Chicana, Indigenous, you name it women to have the freedom to make decisions about what is best for themselves and their families. I don't think I know what's best, nor do I think you know.

I know, and I think you know, that far too many Black and Hispanic babies are aborted.

You sound patronizing. Why do you think Black and Hispanic women shouldn't have control over their bodies? Feeling nostalgic for the good old days when white men had control over Black women's bodies?

Your lack of concrn for the destruction of babies who are Black or Hispanic is disturbing. If someone like Trump were encouraging Black and Hispanic moms to abort their babies or applauding their choices to do so, I don't think you'd be dismissive of what's happening.

Allowing women liberty isn't the same as encouraging anything...but I think you know that.

If Trump said he didn't care how many Black and Hispanic babies were aborted, many men and women would be using his words as an example of racism. ..but I think you know that.

Well for one, babies are not aborted,’white, black, or otherwise.

Yes, they are aborted. You can also use the words suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc.

Embryos and fetuses are suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc. when the women carrying them decide they do not want to be pregnant, as is their right (for now).

Babies are separate beings not embedded in another human being's body, and therefore not a part of this discussion at all.

Depends on your definition of ‘is’ is, amirite? Is a thing halfway out of a womb a baby or a fetus at that point?

The religious extremists that now run the GOP and the religious tribunal that we used to call the Supreme Court are banning abortion at all points and for any and all reasons. You can quit with your sad little red herring; women will die. Know that this blood is on your hands.

Exactly.

The Court itself is not banning abortion, but it appears that it would permit states to ban abortion. All in the name of democracy, of course. But what the Court appears to be saying is that there are no Constitutional limits on state abortion laws. In another words, under the US Constitution, a state could force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term, even in case of rape or life of mother. Whether a state would do so is not relevant. No Constitutional limits, apparently. And we actually know that several states are considering such laws. So, the Court apparently is saying that a form of slavery is okay under our Constitution.

You were doing fine until you equated protecting unborn children to slavery. Any argument for abortion that does not factor in the life of the unborn child is not going to be meaningful.

BS. A child does not exist until it is born. Sorry. You may hold that religious view, and you are entitled to hold it. You are not entitled to force your religious views on others. The Constitution at its adoption did not protect blacks or women, and certainly did not protect fetuses. Reversing Roe means a state, under the US Constitution, can force women to carry a pregnancy to term. That is a form of slavery.

What is your argument against those who hold that view but not from a religious standpoint? There was an interesting WaPo article last year about irreligious/atheist pro-life people.

I agree with PP that equating a forced birth to slavery (a lifetime of human bondage) is not a fair comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet pro lifers have those signs all over black areas about how the most unsafe place for a black baby is in the womb due to abortion- like they even care

Do you think it's better to abort Black and Hispanic babies with no limitations at all?

DP here. I think it's better for Black, Latina, Chicana, Indigenous, you name it women to have the freedom to make decisions about what is best for themselves and their families. I don't think I know what's best, nor do I think you know.

I know, and I think you know, that far too many Black and Hispanic babies are aborted.

You sound patronizing. Why do you think Black and Hispanic women shouldn't have control over their bodies? Feeling nostalgic for the good old days when white men had control over Black women's bodies?

Your lack of concrn for the destruction of babies who are Black or Hispanic is disturbing. If someone like Trump were encouraging Black and Hispanic moms to abort their babies or applauding their choices to do so, I don't think you'd be dismissive of what's happening.

Allowing women liberty isn't the same as encouraging anything...but I think you know that.

If Trump said he didn't care how many Black and Hispanic babies were aborted, many men and women would be using his words as an example of racism. ..but I think you know that.

Well for one, babies are not aborted,’white, black, or otherwise.

Yes, they are aborted. You can also use the words suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc.

Embryos and fetuses are suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc. when the women carrying them decide they do not want to be pregnant, as is their right (for now).

Babies are separate beings not embedded in another human being's body, and therefore not a part of this discussion at all.

You are welcome to minimize what occurs, so that the process is more palatable to think about. When women become pregnant, there is a growing baby inside.

What are you 7 years old? Don't take something messy and complicated and dangerous and extremely personal and use for your childish fantasy land.

Whether you are pro abortion or opposed, the only people living in fantasyland are those who try to deny that a baby is growing and developing inside its mother.

You thinking you are involved in this issue concerning my daughter's uterus
is fantasyland. This does not and will not concern you.

You know perfectly well that everyone is entitled to an opinion on a topic. Deal with it.

Your opinion will have no bearing on the choices most women will make.

I get that you think you have all the answers.

I have the answers for me as I should have. Your answers for you are none of my business.

You're expressing your opinion, and I'm expressing mine. The laws are what count.

Doubt that very much. It Samuel Alito thinks most women are going to stand back and figure..". Gee, that old timer told me that this decision will be made for me by the state of Texas, or the star of Florida, or the state of whatever, so that's that"..he is the one in a fantasyland.

We can't control that alito and his ilk have no respect for the agency and power women will take over their reproductive lives, but we can control and exhibit that agency and power.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet pro lifers have those signs all over black areas about how the most unsafe place for a black baby is in the womb due to abortion- like they even care

Do you think it's better to abort Black and Hispanic babies with no limitations at all?

DP here. I think it's better for Black, Latina, Chicana, Indigenous, you name it women to have the freedom to make decisions about what is best for themselves and their families. I don't think I know what's best, nor do I think you know.

I know, and I think you know, that far too many Black and Hispanic babies are aborted.

You sound patronizing. Why do you think Black and Hispanic women shouldn't have control over their bodies? Feeling nostalgic for the good old days when white men had control over Black women's bodies?

Your lack of concrn for the destruction of babies who are Black or Hispanic is disturbing. If someone like Trump were encouraging Black and Hispanic moms to abort their babies or applauding their choices to do so, I don't think you'd be dismissive of what's happening.

Allowing women liberty isn't the same as encouraging anything...but I think you know that.

If Trump said he didn't care how many Black and Hispanic babies were aborted, many men and women would be using his words as an example of racism. ..but I think you know that.

Well for one, babies are not aborted,’white, black, or otherwise.

Yes, they are aborted. You can also use the words suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc.

Embryos and fetuses are suctioned out, vacuumed out, terminated, etc. when the women carrying them decide they do not want to be pregnant, as is their right (for now).

Babies are separate beings not embedded in another human being's body, and therefore not a part of this discussion at all.

You are welcome to minimize what occurs, so that the process is more palatable to think about. When women become pregnant, there is a growing baby inside.

What are you 7 years old? Don't take something messy and complicated and dangerous and extremely personal and use for your childish fantasy land.

Whether you are pro abortion or opposed, the only people living in fantasyland are those who try to deny that a baby is growing and developing inside its mother.

You thinking you are involved in this issue concerning my daughter's uterus
is fantasyland. This does not and will not concern you.

You know perfectly well that everyone is entitled to an opinion on a topic. Deal with it.

Your opinion will have no bearing on the choices most women will make.

I get that you think you have all the answers.

I have the answers for me as I should have. Your answers for you are none of my business.

You're expressing your opinion, and I'm expressing mine. The laws are what count.

Doubt that very much. It Samuel Alito thinks most women are going to stand back and figure..". Gee, that old timer told me that this decision will be made for me by the state of Texas, or the star of Florida, or the state of whatever, so that's that"..he is the one in a fantasyland.

We can't control that alito and his ilk have no respect for the agency and power women will take over their reproductive lives, but we can control and exhibit that agency and power.

Many women are able to make mature decisions relevant to their reproductive lives without aborions.